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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Wade82 on Thursday 13 December 12 13:04 GMT (UK)
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Hello looking for the parents of a James Lebeau born 1830 in st olave married a Eliza Ann on his birth baptism it says father James and Mother Sarah think I got possible marriage in 1829 to a Sarah Ann Anindale.This line is proving quite dfficult as sometimes there is a space between le and beau sometimes no le but all seem to be lightermen.
Thankyou
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Hello looking for the parents of a James Lebeau born 1830 in st olave married a Eliza Ann on his birth baptism it says father James and Mother Sarah think I got possible marriage in 1829 to a Sarah Ann Anindale.
I can't find James & Sarah on 1841 census I did find a James Lebeau & Eliza on 1861c
James Lebeau bpt 25 Sep 1831 St Leonard Shoreditch
Parents James & Sarah bode New Inn Yard
25 Oct 1829 St Leonard Shoreditch
James LeBeau to Sarah Anindale, both of this parish
in presence of George Coles & Mary Lee
pallot’s marriage 1829 Shoreditch
Sarah Anindale Jas Lebeau
Pallot’’s marriage 1832
Eliza Boxshall John Steadman
There's this James Lebeau who is widowed and remarried occ basket maker :-\
28 May 1849 Holy Trinity Newington Southwark
Eliza Stedman nee Boxshall father Thomas Boxshall dec’d
James Lebeau widow basket maker father Samuel dec’d
1861 RG 9; Piece: 317; Folio: 104; Page: 45
James 56 Southwark occ Basket maker & Eliza Lebeau 53 Southwark
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Here's the family 1851
HO107; Piece: 1559; Folio: 395; Page: 29
James 46 Bermondsey occ Basket maker Eliza Le Beau 43
David 15, John J 12, Sarah C 10, Eliza 9, Elizabeth Steadman 5 &
Samuel Lebeau 1
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Looking at that 1831 baptism, the father James Lebeau is a matmaker.
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looking for the parents of a James Lebeau born 1830 in st olave married a Eliza Ann
Do you have James & Eliza on any censuses?
Is this the marriage of James to Eliza?
Do you have the marriage certificate? this would confirm his father's name
Mar 1863 Bermondsey vol 1d page 60
James Le Beau
Name on same page
Eliza Ann Cooper
Eliza Le Beau 1881 & James & Eliza Le Beau 1871
RG11; Piece: 556; Folio: 54; Page: 22
35 Queen Elizabeth St.
Eliza Le Beau widow 44 St John Horselydown Greengrocer
James Le Beau 23St John Compositor Printer
William 22 Porter Hotel
Arthur 15 St John Horselydown Southwark Shop boy
Eliza 11
Maria Moffat lodger t 75
RG10; Piece: 625; Folio: 77; Page: 39
5 Harold’s Place
James Lebeau 40 (1831)St Olave occ. Fireman
Eliza 34 St Thomas Surrey
James Cooper son 15 St John Gen Lab.
James Lebeau 14 “ Printer
William 12 “
Eliza 2 “
Joseph 2 mths “
As there's a James Cooper noted as son possibly Eliza married perviously
Death entry
Mar 1911 St Olave vol 1d page 91
Eliza A Le Beau age 74 (1837)
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all seem to be lightermen.
A possible connection to your Le Beau family
Arthur William James Le Beau
Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688 –2010 records can be found on FindMyPast you need credits to view
Arthur William James Le Beau age 20 (1884) father Arthur William James Le Beau
Both occ. Lightermen, resident 12 Wadding Street
married 3 Apr 1904 St John’s Church Alice Maud Smith age 19 occ Mantle Sorter father Henry occ. Lab.
Here’s Arthur Le Beau with his parents 1891/1901
RG12; Piece: 368; Folio: 114; Page: 28
18 Lafore Street
Arthur LEBEAU 25 occ Lighterman Barge
Matilda 25
ARTHUR 6 St John Hornselydown
Frederick 4 Lambeth
Florence 1
Elizabeth Wright lodger widow 74
RG13; Piece: 386; Folio: 88; Page: 7
28 Fair Street
Arthur Lebeau 33 occ Lighterman Barge
Matilda 33
ARTHUR 16 occ Lighterman Barge
Frederick 14
Maud 9
Albert 6
Matilda 4
All born Hornseelydown
Plus 2 lodgers
Marriage entry
Jun 1884 St Olave vol 1d page 449
Arthur William Le Beau
Name on same page
Matilda Louisa Brice
Can’t post details of 1911 census but Arthur (Jnr.) & wife living with his parents & siblings
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This all looks good thankyou all so much. I dont have many certs for this family yet but guessing im going to come across France somewhere along the line :) On the marriage banns for James and Eliza Ann it does say they both widowed so going to do bit of digging with this info and see what I come up with.
Thankyou
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marriage of James to Eliza
Marriage 28 Mar 1863 Christ Church Bermondsey
James Le Beau f/a occ Mariner f James occ Mat & Basket Maker res Parker’s Row
Eliza Ann Cooper f/a father William Hobbs occ. Boot Maker res 3 Arnolds Place
Both widowed, he signed, her mark (x) witnesses George John Chapman & Richard Lane
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marriage for Eliza
16 Mar 1854 St Mary Newington
Eliza Ann Hobbs minor father William Hobbs occ Boot Maker
James Cooper occ Barge Builder f/a father Henry occ Barge Builder
He signed, her mark (x), both single Witnesses Joseph Day & Sarah Laye?by
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There are baptism records to view on line for 4 of James & Eliza Ann Le Beau's children,
Joseph, Eliza, Frederick & Mary Ann
Do you want them or do you have access ?
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Thankyou but I think I have the children but I got 5.
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Low and behold looks like I have got back to French ancestors. I think. I have a Daniel Lebeau born 1715 at La Patente french Hugenot Spitalfields. This is french refugees isnt it?
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L I think. I have a Daniel Lebeau born 1715 at La Patente french Hugenot Spitalfields.
You have been busy - not sure if this will help
http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/
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Thankyou.
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Hello Wade82,
This family were indeed French Huguenots, they were originally from the North East of France, Picardy, and fled to Holland in the 1680's where they were part of the Haarlem congregation, and were one of a group of related Picard families, including my own ancestors the Deverduns, who moved on again to London between 1701-3.
Here are Daniel and his sibling's baptisms from La Patente:
LE BAUX 8 Jan 1715/16 Daniel, son of Jean Le Baux and Susanne Tieras
Godfather Daniel Tieras. Godmother Judith Hannotaux.Born 27 Dec 1715. J. Babault, presiding minister.
LE BEAU 27 July 1718 Susanne, daughter of Jean Le Beau and Susanne Tieras, living in Spitalfields
Godfather Daniel Grossier. Godmother Marie Flauvant. Born same day J. Jembelin, presiding minister.
LE BEAUX 16 Oct 1720 Judith, daughter of Jean Le Beaux and Susanne, his wife
Godfather Jean Baptiste Cossar. Godmother Judith Le Monnier. Born 10th October. Balguerie de Chautard, presiding minister.
LE BEAU 13 Jan 1723 Thimotee, son of Jean Le Beau & Susanne Le Beau, his wife
Godfather Daniel Le Beau Godmother Judith Latour. Born 3rd January. De la Douespe, presiding minister.
LE BEAU 22 Nov 1724 Susanne, daughter of Jean Le Beau and Susanne Thieras
Godfather David Resiguer. Godmother Madeleine Thieras. Born 2nd Nov. J. Jembelin, presiding minister.
LE BEAU 5 Feb 1726 Jean, son of Jean Le Beau, native of Holland, and Susanne Thirard
Godfather Daniel Thirard, Godmother Madelaine Grossier. Born 30 Jan. David Durand, minister of St Martin Ongar presiding.
LE BEAU 25 Dec 1727 Jean, son of Jean Le Beau and Susanne Tirar
Godfather child's father, Godmother Elizabeth Le Monnier. Born 17 Dec. J. Prelleur, presiding minister.
LEBEAU 31 Oct 1731 Anne Judith, daught of Jean Lebeau, originally of Holland, and Susanne Tirar originally of London
Godfather Antoine Duverdin, Godmother Anne Delamare. Born the 11th October. Jean Manuel, Presiding minister.
LEBEAU 1 Jan 1735 Elizabeth, daughter of Jean Lebeau, native of Haarlem in Holland, and Susanne Tirar, native of London
Godfather Louis Helloc. Godmother Elizabeth Lebeau. Born 13 December. Balguerie de Chautard, presiding minister.
The Godfather of Anne Judith. Antoine Duverdin/Deverdun is my own ancestor, my 8 x great grandfather. Jean Lebeau in turn had stood as godfather to one of Anthoine's daughter's Anne seven years previously. They also stood as godparents together for other children born to couples who had come to London from the Haarlem congregation.
As the baptisms above suggest Daniel's father Jean Lebeau was born in Holland. He was baptised there 27 January 1697 in the Haarlem Waals Kirk (Walloon Church) which the French Protestant refugees living there used. His parents were Jean Lebeau, of Guise, Aisne, Picardy, and Judith Hannoteau who were married in the Waals Kirk, Haarlem on 1 April 1696. They left Holland for England on 20th May 1703. Jean's brother Daniel and his wife had already come over two years earlier in June 1701 (The Deverdun family had come to London the year in between late 1702).
In regards Daniel's mother Susanne Tirar/Tieras/Thirard, she died in 'La Providence' The Charity Hospital set up in London for the French protestant refugees and their descendants. She applied there 28 August 1762 as Susanne Lebeau nee Tirard, describing herself as 74 years of age, the widow of Jean Lebeau of Picardy, France and the daughter of Daniel Tirard of Oleron in St Onge, France. Her reason for application was dire poverty and destitution. She was approved and admitted 19 Feb 1763 and died there ten years later on 18 December 1773.
Regards
Richard
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Wow Thankyou very much Richard highly appriecited.
Merry christmas 8)
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No problem at all Wade, I'll have a look in the London registers to see if I can find a baptism for Susanne in London and any sign of what became of her family here. The spelling of their surname seems very fluid. It's the same with my Deverduns, I have found them spelt over 63 different ways to date! Doesn't help in finding them.
Merry Christmas to you too.
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Found her baptism:
TIRAR, Suzanne, Daughter of Daniel Tirar and Elizabeth, his wife. Godfather Thomas Guerard and Suzanne Boson. Baptised April 10 1692 Threadneedle Street French Huguenot Church London.
I cannot find any evidence of when exactly they arrived, though Susanne had at least one sibling a sister Madeliene baptised at same church the year before 1691.
Neither Daniel or Elizabeth seem to have died in the French Hospital, although a son Daniel was admitted temporarily in January of 1748/9, then aged 60, so probably born around 1689/90. He describes himself as born in Leyde (Leiden), Holland son of Daniel Tirar of St Onge France. This then seems to suggest this family also first fled to Holland before moving on again to London around 1690.
He was admitted suffering from an 'alienation of spirit' which was their standard terminolgy for any sort of depression or mental listlessness. The French Hospital was quite ahead of it's contemporaries at this time in taking and treating patients suffering from these maladies. It appears fairly serious, his case files in fact says he had been suicidal at time of his admittance and had regularly made threats to his family that he intended to take his own life, and it was them who were asking for him to be treated. He was taken in for 15 months, and seems to have made a full recovery, and was released back to his family and never re-admitted. In comparison their English neighbours suffering the same sort of troubles at that time might well have expected to be locked up in an asylum for life with little to no treatment.
A sad case but interesting to get a picture of their lives. Times were very hard for the journeymen French weavers in London, especially in the 1740's which saw several 'Arctic Winters'. A lot of them suffered similar breakdowns.
Regards
Richard
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Hi Richard & others reseaching the Lebeau family,
I have just been bowled over by the Lebeau information which popped up when I Googled 'Oleron en St. Onge' and all your Rootschat info arrived!
Have therefore just registered with Rootschat & am not quite sure that I am doing things correctly so bear with me while I learn!
I am descended from Jean & Susanne Le Beau's son Daniel. His son, also Daniel born 1736, & married to Sarah Tindall, had a son James whose daughter Elizabeth married Samuel Beech on the 7th November 1818 at St. John, Hackney. They are my 3x gt. grandparents.
If I am not mistaken Daniel & Sarah also had a son Samuel whose own son Samuel was born in 1798. He was silk weaving in Braintree in Essex in the 19th c. & the Lebeau name is mentioned as one of the old Huguenot names still to be met at the Braintree silk mills in an article in the 'Art Journal' of 1891. But I think the family has all gone from there now.
By co-incidence I went to the Braintree mill, now a museum, and saw the weaving just before it closed there, never realising that distant cousins had worked there a 100 years before, although they would have been in the old building burnt down about 1909
'Ancestry' also has the will of Sarah Lebeau nee Tindall of 1814, which is a fascinating account of her possessions. She was apparetly not one of the most poverty struck weavers.
So many, many thanks for supplying the earlier Lebeau records which I didn't know.
And a very happy New Year to you all - I am over the moon with what turned up from an idle Google!!
Stella.
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Hi Wade,
Have just found your query 'am I am a Lebeau'?, but couldn't see how to reply to you so hope this gets to you. I haven't got the hang of Rootschat yet!
Tried one way but it wouldn't seem to 'go'!
And no, I am not, but my 3x great grandmother was the Elizabeth Lebeau, daughter of James Lebeau & Ann Addlington, & she married Samuel Beech in 1818. After that it is Samuel Beech son of this Sam & Elizabeth, and his youngest child Walter had a daughter Jessie Beech who was my grandmother born in Anglesea Street in Whitechapel in 1886.
James Lebeau was the son of Daniel Lebeau & Sarah Tindall (she of the will - well worth a read if you are on 'Ancestry')
The mpother of the Samuel Beech who married Elix Lebeau was Charlotte Lesar, another French family. Any connections there?
Regards,
Stella.
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Hi Stella
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
Wade82 shouldreceive email notifications that we have posted here and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Hello North star
Im afraid I have not got that far yet on the Lebeau line but I will let you know if I come up with anything.
Wecome by the way I still newish here to but everyone is very friendly and oh so very helpful.
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Hello Stella
Glad the information proved useful for you.
Daniel Le Beau (1736-1811) also left a will, I can foward this to you if you do not have it.
so did Daniel Le Beau (1762-1813), his son perhaps?
Regards
Richard
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A few items which may be of interest to anyone looking out for Lebeau ancestors in Essex.
A newsaper report in the Essex Standard in September 1854, details an exhibition of silks manufactured in Braintree. At a dinner following the exhibition, the toast is proposed by a Mr. 'Lebow'. It is most likely that this is the Samuel Lebeau who was born in Shoreditch in 1798 - my 1st cousin 5 x removed!
On the 1851 census he is living with his wife Mary Jane in Braintree & interestingly their 4 children mentioned are all born at different places, Shoreditch, Spitalfields, Halstead & Braintree. Presumably Samuel was working at different silk mills at the time of their births.
The 'Art Journal' of 1891 has an article 'Silks & Satins' which gives details of the silks being produced at that time around the country. The names Le Beau & Le Vecq are mentioned as still being commonly met in Braintree.
And still in 1911 the name Samuel Lebeau (grandson of the above?) appears in Bocking, adjacent to Braintree, although by then the Lebeaus seem to be more cooca mat weaving than silk weaving.
There are many Lebeaus mentioned on the site 'Genealogie Protestante en Picardie' a delight I have just stumbled across.
Best wishes,
Stella.
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Hi Just came across this site and feed - i am searching up my family tree and i have got as fast as Jean Lebeau & Susanne Tirar - I really want to find who was Jean's father and follow that line up I think his father was also Jean Lebeau abt 1680 who married judith hannetaux just cant find any information later than that? any suggestions - thanks :)
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hello all I havent been on here for many moons wasnt long after my lost post on this thread that life went abit wrong and my brother in law who i was doing this tree for sadly passed away but i just had a notifaction vand thought i should start it back up again for his daughter shes not even 3 yet and im sure at same point she will want to no who her family is/was on her fathers side so im going to go through all my old post and papers etc and get back to it for her :)
thankyou
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Sorry for your loss I am sure your niece will appreciate it My mother died when I was small and recently had a lot of family upheaval so I am finding comfort in finding about my past and finding out where I come from. I wish someone had collected and kept things for me.
I think this is my LeBeau line so far oldest link first... So if anyone follows the same line or has any ideas please let me know I would love to trace the line back to France where it all began.
Abraham LeBeau /Jeanne Queul (Not sure on this link have just seen it suggested on another site tree but no paper work to link it together)
1690? Jean LeBeau / Judith Hannetaux
1696 Jean LeBeau / Susanne Tirar (Various spellings)
1723 Thimotee (Timothy) Lebeau /Anne Young
1762 Timothy Lebeau / Elizabeth Green
1806 John Lebeau / Susanna Juniper
1833 Singler Timothy LeBeau / Emma Reeve
1890 Frederick LeBeau / Ellen O'Leary
1912 Catherine LeBeau m William Davis (My Great Grand Parents) My LeBeau Start point
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Hello all,
I've noticed no one has posted on here in a while, but would just like to say lots of the stuff on here has been very useful to me. I knew a bit about my Lebeau ancestry (Which starts from Elizabeth Lebeau 1800-1880) but some of the stuff was completely new to me and interesting, so thank you!!
On here it mentions that Daniel Tirard was born in St Onge. When I put this on my family tree on Ancestry, it came up with a hint to a Dutch baptism of his son Daniel which revealed his wife Elizabeth's maiden name was 'de Quoteel'. Here is the link (It's in Dutch)
https://www.erfgoedleiden.nl/collecties/personen/zoek-op-personen/weergave/akte/layout/default/id/32997855-6c03-25fd-c083-ae9dde4e2e72
Once again thank you all for the stuff you posted and hopefully I'll get to hear from some of you soon : )