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Title: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: wallise on Tuesday 11 December 12 16:46 GMT (UK)
I wonder if anyone could tell me which of the chapels or former chapels in the Llanllyfni, Nebo/Nazareth area have graves. I am looking for family gravestones and am compiling a list of chapels to visit. Also where would a chapel member be buried if their chapel didn't have a graveyard. Any help most gratefully received!.
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: Tall Al on Tuesday 11 December 12 17:54 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I have a register of burials at Salem Chapel, Llanllyfni between the years 1866-1992, which was produced by Gwynedd Family History Society.

If you care to mention some names/dates I will see if the details are there.

Alan

 
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: wallise on Tuesday 11 December 12 20:32 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your reponse -my problem is that I don't know the years of death so was planning to go and look in any potential cemeteries to see what I could find. I especially would like to find the grave of my great-grandmother Hannah Roberts who lived at Bronhaul, Llanllyfnu before she died sometime after 1924 and probably before 1935. Also her husband Robert who died in the 1890's when the family lived in the Nebo/Nazareth area. Please don't worry if that is all too vague.
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: Tall Al on Wednesday 12 December 12 08:29 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Found the following -

Grave of Robert Roberts of Fron Haul - buried 15 June 1896 age 45 (Grave No 872) and
Evan Roberts of Fron Haul - buried 2 June 1894 age 13 months (Grave No 798)

No immediate sign of Hannah Roberts of Fron Haul - could she have been known by a different first name or did she re-marry after Roberts death?

Hope these details help

Alan
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: wallise on Wednesday 12 December 12 10:06 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much -I think this has to be our family -the Bronhaul or Fron haul can't be just coincidence.
There are a couple of family graves in the cemetery just south of Llanllyfni and one has the inscription
 'Dri o Blant
Rt a Hannah Roberts
Bronhaul, Llanllyfni...'
and it then goes on give details of 3 of her children who had died including my Gt Uncle who was killed in the 1st World War. I am assuming she put the gravestone there but there is no grave to her in that cemetery.
Can you tell me where Salem chapel is and whether the graveyard is easily accessible -also are the graves numbered or is there a plan somewhere. I am planning to visit Llanllyfni tomorrow so will be able to have a look for myself. Also do you know if there is a war memorial.
Thank you again for your help.
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: wallise on Wednesday 12 December 12 10:08 GMT (UK)
I forgot to say -Hannah was her only name and she did not remarry.
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: Tall Al on Wednesday 12 December 12 11:00 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Unfortunately I live in England and whilst I have family buried at Salem Chapel I have never visited. It is on my list of things to do.

I would suggest you Google it - I found a photograph of Salem Chapel, High Street, Llanllyfni on peoplescollectionwales.co.uk web site.

I assume the graves are numbered as there is no map in the booklet I have.

I am sure the local people will be able to guide you in the right direction.

Good luck

Alan
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: Gwil on Wednesday 12 December 12 11:15 GMT (UK)
There is a memorial at Nebo School. It has 'William R Roberts, Pant Gwyn 15 9 1915'  I'm having a struggle to positively identify him to that date at the moment.


Is he your great uncle? If not, what is his name/date died.

Incidentally, in case it's another branch,  there is a Thomas P Griffiths, (father John P Griffiths,Noel St, Lodge Lane, Liverpool) who died of dysentery with 11th Bn RWF on 24 6 1917. His mother is shown as Ellen Griffiths, Bronhaul, Llanllyfni on CWGC. This could be a different Bronhaul of course


Gwil
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: Tall Al on Wednesday 12 December 12 11:37 GMT (UK)
Hi again,

I've just been going through my book again to try and track down "Hannah". Having looked between 1924 and 1935 for "Roberts" burials, a number of possibilities appear -

1) There is an Elizabeth Roberts of Post Office who died age 90 and was buried Dec 30 1929 (Grave Number 1256) -
or
2) Margaret Roberts of Rhedyw Road who died age 68 and was buried 15 March 1927 (Grave Number 1238) - she wasn't a Chapel member
or
3) Elizabeth Roberts of Bodawel who died age 92 and was buried 26 Sept 1931 (Grave Number 1271) or
4) Lizzie Roberts of Manchester House who died age 71 and was buried 24 March 1933 (Grave Number 1286)

Can you find here on the censuses which may confirm her age and identify one of these deaths as your Hannah?

Alan
  
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: wallise on Wednesday 12 December 12 11:57 GMT (UK)
Gwil
Thank you that is definitely him the date matches the date of death on the gravestone in the cemetery south of Llanllyfni which also says he died in France. The family lived at Pant Gwyn, Nebo at that time. Is the school at Nebo still a school - is the memorial easy to find I wonder?

Tall Al
Thank you again.  I really don't think she would have been known by any other name although it is curious as on the 1911 census the address is the PO so it could be another family member.
I'll have to ask around when I get there.
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: Tall Al on Wednesday 12 December 12 12:14 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I noted the Post Office address and thought it might be the same family.

Sometimes the ages are mistranscribed  and it may be worth looking at Grave 1256 to see if it could tie in.

At Salem Chapel, there does not appear to be any other "Roberts" from Post Office which links in 

Alan
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: Gwil on Wednesday 12 December 12 12:33 GMT (UK)
I haven't actually visited the memorial at Nebo. I obtained details of it's content some time ago at Gwynedd Archives (can't readily find those notes at the moment)

There is a photo here
http://www.nantlle.com/history-nebo-nasareth-gallery.htm
but unfortunately it's not clear.
Google maps search of Nebo Primary School indicates it's still in use. Street view shows the memorial. I tried to read it but it proved a bit elusive to zero in on.

Do you have family info that identifies him on CWGC etc?
There is no William Roberts to that date but family graves data can often differ.

I'm normally loathe to discuss 'best possibles' but in this case, just in case, the 'best possible' is
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1767773/ROBERTS,%20WILLIAM
whose Soldiers Died Great War entry shows born Carnarvon, enlisted Newport, reside Abertillery, killed in action 25 9 1915.
No papers that I can see to link him to North Wales. It's my experience that Carnarvon in 'where born' can mean the town, outlying villages or even the Shire.
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: wallise on Wednesday 12 December 12 13:15 GMT (UK)
Thanks again.
I looked at the CWGC webste a while ago and also concluded that the William Roberts that you refer to is most likely to be him. My grandfather was his older brother and had by then moved to South Wales to work in the coal mines -so -he may well have done the same. The grave memorial says he died on 15th Sept 1915 but I believe that the regiment was involved in a majore offensive on 15th Sept and he may have been injured in the battle and died on 25th.
One day I hope to trace some family members that descend from another brother and maybe they will have more details as they stayed in the Pen y Groes area.
Thanks also to Tall Al--I will check that grave too.
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: Gwil on Wednesday 12 December 12 13:55 GMT (UK)
The SDGW entry differentiates between KIA and DoW etc. His entry says Killed in Action. It's not gospel of course and the apparent lack of papers for him is frustrating.

The 2nd Bn Welch Regt were heavily involved in the Battle of Loos on 25th September
see
http://www.1914-1918.net/bat13.htm

Had he Died of Wounds then he is highly likely to have a grave, especially 10 days after when he should be way down the casualty trail away from the front. As it is he is on the Loos Memorial i.e no known grave. 

It's not uncommon for family graves to be slightly out. It depends when it was etched on and that could be when the next burial took place maybe years later.

I can't see anything in my notes for any potential siblings. to the Pant Gwyn address Have you any other address (inc any Abertillery/S Wales ones)
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: wallise on Thursday 13 December 12 19:50 GMT (UK)
I went over to Llanllyfni area today--unfortunately the Salem cemetery was locked so will have to go back. I visited the War Memorial at Nebo and the date of death also says 15th Sept,
The family were at Pant Gwyn through the 1890's and still there on 1901 census--there were 13 children born in all of which 6 survived infancy, On the 1911 census there are 2 sons left living with their widowed mother Hannah--ie Robert and William -however their address is recorded as the PO, Nasareth- not sure though if they lived at the Post Office or whether they collected post there as Pant Gwyn was a bit remote.
I don't have any S Wales addresses for William. My grandfather ended up in Mountain Ash near Aberdare which is not really very close to Abertillary but I guess they went where the work could be found.
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: nevrob on Tuesday 29 April 14 12:25 BST (UK)
My name is N Roberts I am the grandson of William R Roberts of Pant Gwyn Nebo. My fathers name was R W Roberts. If you require any more info on his family please contact me.
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: wallise on Tuesday 29 April 14 13:53 BST (UK)
Hello
Thanks for the message and nice to hear from you. The previous posts on this topic were written in 2012. Since then I have moved to live in North Wales and learnt a lot more about the family. I had a lovely afternoon visiting your brother and sister-in-law in Talysarn recently. Until I spoke to them I had assumed that William Roberts had died without having children. I knew about your family as you visited us in Barry in the 1960's but I thought you must have descended from another of great-grandmother, Hannah Roberts' children. Since my visit to Talysarn when I also visited Catherine Roberts I have learned more about Hannah Roberts (born Williams) and her roots at Plas Llecheiddior, Bryncir. When I get round to updating the tree properly I plan to send a link to your brother so that they can view it -I can also send to you if you wish.  I actually don't have a name for William Roberts' wife on the family tree -it would be good to fill that in.
I have found nothing more about the Roberts' line --apart from the fact that great grandfather was Robert Roberts and that he died in his 40's. Do you know any more?
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: johnalwynjones on Tuesday 29 April 14 22:41 BST (UK)
Hi
There are 4 main cemeteries in Llanllyfni, the one to the south you mention is Gorffwysfa on Bryn Sisyllt where a lot of Nebo/ Nazareth families are buried.
Moving north down Rhedyw Road on the right is Salem near the Primary School, the one that Tall Al mentioned whose burial records are available. Very close to is Bara Caws the Scotch Baptist Cemetery (unsure if that is open to the public) and at the bottom is St Rhedyw parish church that I believe is still used.
I have a photo of the War Memorial in Nebo if you are interested.
Title: Re: Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area
Post by: johnalwynjones on Tuesday 29 April 14 22:58 BST (UK)
Oh, looking at my photos of Gorffwysfa, I've got the gravestone of Robert & Hannah Roberts's children if you are interested?