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Title: HAMMER Family Tree
Post by: KWATTON on Monday 10 December 12 03:11 GMT (UK)
Hi - I am looking to see if anyone has any on Edward Hammer born in 1862. He married Mary Anne Rickard in Broken Hill/Silverton in 1886. He was a boilermaked in Broken Hill. They had 10 Children.  They all moved to Semaphore in Adelaide. Edward Hammer passed away 24 October 1947.

There is only very limited info I have been able to locate. He was a private person. Stories I have been told were that his mother put him on a ship from Holand at a very young age (around 12) bound for England because of a plague outbrack in Holand.  He apparently left England and "jumped" ship and ended up in Broken Hill in his early teens.

I have info from the time he was married but nothing prior to this

Cheers

Kathy
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: lizdb on Monday 10 December 12 08:26 GMT (UK)
Do you know where he was born?
FreeBMD has more than one possibility, that's England and Wale - though your post implies maybe Holland?
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: MargP on Monday 10 December 12 08:35 GMT (UK)
Hi

Do you have his marriage certificate and death certificate I believe in Australia this should give his parents details.

Margp
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: MargP on Monday 10 December 12 09:25 GMT (UK)
Hi

I have found this record

New South Wales Australia Police Gazette 1854-1930

Deserter From H I German Majesty's War Ship

From the "OGLA" 21st May 1889

Edward Hammer, 24 years of age, 5ft 10" High, Slender Build, Dark Brown Hair, High Forehead, Brown Eyes, Brown Moustache, Defective Teeth, Oval Chin, Soars On Wrist, a native of Mannheim, speaks only German £5.00 Reward

Margp   
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: MargP on Monday 10 December 12 10:00 GMT (UK)
So it looks like he was already married when he jumped ship ??? so how did he get to Australia in the first place

Margp
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Monday 10 December 12 11:22 GMT (UK)
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I am looking to see if anyone has any on Edward Hammer born in 1862

Article about the SMS Olga in Sydney Harbour on 17 Apr 1889.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sid/

Hi

Do you have his marriage certificate and death certificate I believe in Australia this should give his parents details.

Margp

His NSW marriage certificate should give his parents names but understand there often blanks on the registrations. The death certificate in South Australia will not detail his parents names.

Marriage with mistranscribed surname.

7623/1886
HAMMEN Edward
RICKARD Mary A
District Silverton

If you wish to purchase a transcription of their marriage from an accredited transcription agent[cheaper than the certified certificate] I think you need to order using the mistranscribed name on the index but the registration number would bring up the correct registration anyway.    I am more familiar with Vic records.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent

You could also contact for information.
http://www.bhlibrary.org.au/archives.html
Local Studies Collection
An extensive range of local history resources is available to the researcher, including books, article files, newspapers, photographs, maps and plans.   Local newspapers are on microfilm and date back to the 1880's.

The Mail 23 Nov 1929
HAMMER The Friends of Mr. EDWARD HAMMER are respectfully Informed that the Funeral of his late WIFE (Annie Mary) will Leave bis Residence. Fairford terrace, Ethelton, on SUNDAY, at 3.30 pm.. for the Cheltenham Cemetery

The Advertiser  29 Nov 1929
OBITUARY
Mrs. Annie Mary Hammer, of Fairford-terrace. Ethelton, died recently after a short illness. She was the eldest daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Rickard of Broken Hill.
Born in Cornwall, she came to Australia at the age of one year with her parents, who lived at Moonta and Kadina for some years, and subsequently when they travelled by coach to Broken Hill. In 1886 at the Bible Christian Church she married Mr. Edward Hammer. Mr. and Mrs. Hammer had the distinction of being the first couple to be married on the Barrier. For the last 15 years she resided with her family at Ethelton. She left a husband, five sons, and five daughters— Messrs. E. T. Hammer. H. F. Hammer. R. Hammer. J. H. Hammer. M. Hammer. Mesdames H. Francis, C. W. O'Neill, J. J. Baker, and Misses Clare and Mellie Hammer. There are 17 grandchildren.

The Bible Christian church was Wesleyan/Methodist.  I found a little about what may be the church where the HAMMER's were married.  As they were married in 1886 the actual building would not have been completed as Broken Hill was only established in 1885

The Wesley Church was officially opened in December 1888, just three years after the founding of
Broken Hill. The large lecture Hall opened a year later.
Designed by Frederick William Dancker of Adelaide, in a Victorian Gothic style, the Church and Hall were
built in rough hewn stone with brick trim.
The construction of the church and hall may have been associated with the large numbers of Cornish
miners attracted to the town from South Australia and other nearby mining areas.
Their significance is their association with the pioneering days of Broken Hill and the arrival of Methodism
with its strong temperance stance, and the contrast at the time with the town‟s reputation for
boisterousness, heavy drinking and militant unionism.
The Uniting Church of Australia owns the church and hall


A bit of trivia  :)–perhaps it was his son Edward who registered the motor bike.

17 Nov 1915
Motoring notes of the week…….
New motor bike registrations.
7372, Edward Hammer, Fairford terrace, Glanville, 2¾ Douglas

The Advertiser  25 Oct 1947
HAMMER  The friends of the late EDWARD HAMMER [late of Broken Hill], are respectfully informed that his Funeral will leave his late residence. No 76 Fairford terrace, Semaphore Park, on SATURDAY, at 10. 15 am for the Cheltenham Cemetery

There doesn't appear to be a headstone for them at Cheltenham.

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Monday 10 December 12 12:42 GMT (UK)
Australian Electoral Roll
NSW 1903
HAMMER Annie  Cummins Street, Broken Hill North  Domestic duties
HAMMER Edward  Cummins Street, Broken Hill North  Miner

Sands & McDougall Directory
South Australia  1934
HAMMER E  82 Fairford Street, Glanville  Boilermaker 
HAMMER Edwd  76 Fairford Street, Glanville  Boilermaker
HAMMER J H  9 Maud Street, Glanville  Labourer
HAMMER R  8 Kellett Street, Glanville  Moulder

South Australia - Commonwealth Electoral Roll 1939
HAMMER Alice Gwendoline, 3 Harris st, Exeter, home duties
HAMMER Amy Bessie, 3 Kellett st. Glanville, home duties
HAMMER Edward. 76 Fairford ter, New Glanville, boilermaker
HAMMER Edward Thomas, 82 Fairford ter, Glanville, boilermaker
HAMMER Edward Thomas, jun, 3 Harris st, Exeter, moulder
HAMMER Emma Mary, 82 Fairford ter, Glanville, home duties
HAMMER Ivy, 9 Maude st, Glanville, home duties
HAMMER John Henry, 9 Maud st, Glanville, laborer
HAMMER Margaret Jean, 23 Gordon st, Glanville Blocks, h duties
HAMMER Melville, 23 Gordon st, Glanville Blocks, laborer
HAMMER Reginald, 3 Kellett st, Glanville, laborer

Cando
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: KWATTON on Tuesday 11 December 12 05:26 GMT (UK)
Thank you for that - I am waiting to hear back from the BH Library and Births Deaths and Marriages to see if they have any further info

Cheers and Merry XMAS to you all

Kathy
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 11 December 12 06:41 GMT (UK)




The Hammen name is repeated -

BDM NSW    district   Broken Hill    for all births

37180/1888    HAMMEN    Edward T      parents  Edward/Mary A
8345/1890    HAMMEN    Harold Fred   parents Edward/Mary Ann
8504/1892    HAMMEN    Muriel           parents Edwin/ Mary A
8559/1894    HAMMEN    Reginald       parents  Edward/Annie
10982/1897    HAMMEN    Mable A        parents Edwin/Mary A    
10696/1899    HAMMEN    John H         parents Edward/Mary A

30366/1901    HAMMER    Clara R    parents Edward/Mary A
30839/1904    HAMMER    Emma P    parents Edward/Mary A
22271/1907    HAMMER    Melville    parents Edward/Mary A
23272/1909    HAMMER    Julia N N    parents Edward/Mary A


A NSW birth certificate should give age and birthplace of parents?


BDM NSW death
1416/1886    HAMMEN    Ann    age 53yrs died Sydney   SYDNEY 
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Tuesday 11 December 12 08:18 GMT (UK)
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I am looking to see if anyone has any on Edward Hammer born in 1862. He married Mary Anne Rickard in Broken Hill/Silverton in 1886

You have probably realised that it cannot be your Edward named in the Police Gazette as he was married and fathering children in Broken Hill in 1889.

Kathy are you going to obtain a transcription of the 1886 marriage registration.  This would be my first step in researching Edward's origins and the information was given by him.

Thank you for that - I am waiting to hear back from the BH Library and Births Deaths and Marriages to see if they have any further info

Kathy

Kathy the births are online so perhaps just an enquiry about any HAMMER/HAMMEN family information may prove more fruitful.  Perhaps they may know the location of the early parish records.  Local newspapers can be a mine of information - pardon the pun ;)  Edward was not a boilermaker in 1903 as he gave his occupation as a miner on his electoral listing.  The date of the photograph you have on your online tree was of a much later era as it includes his son as an adult.

Unfortunately the online indexes are full of mistranscriptions.   As wivenhoe has suggested, one of the children's birth certificate would also be helpful however it won't have the names of his parents.

Cheers :D
Cando


Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Tuesday 11 December 12 08:45 GMT (UK)
NSW Electoral Roll 1913 - Broken Hill

HAMMER Mary Annie,  Cummins-street domestic duties
HAMMER Edward,  Cummins-street boilermaker
HAMMER Emma Mary,  Cummins-lane domestic duties
HAMMEREdward Thomas,  Cummins-lane boilermaker
HAMMERFrederick Harold, Cummins-street mill-hand

Cheers  :D
Cando
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: MargP on Tuesday 11 December 12 15:31 GMT (UK)
Hi

I have found this record

New South Wales Australia Police Gazette 1854-1930

Deserter From H I German Majesty's War Ship

From the "OGLA" 21st May 1889

Edward Hammer, 24 years of age, 5ft 10" High, Slender Build, Dark Brown Hair, High Forehead, Brown Eyes, Brown Moustache, Defective Teeth, Oval Chin, Soars On Wrist, a native of Mannheim, speaks only German £5.00 Reward

Margp   
Hi I would not discount this record, he may have been in Australia illegally and they may have been sending him back to his own country, there is also the family lore about him jumping ship, I would also say that the description of him is  similar to his photo
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: KWATTON on Tuesday 11 December 12 22:34 GMT (UK)
thank you all -

Cando - I have confirmed that Edward and Ann are at Cheltenham Cemetry  :)

I think i might have to take a trip to Broken Hill

cheers
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 12 December 12 00:05 GMT (UK)

Hi,
1922 SA ( Sands) Directory.
Hammer Edwd, Blrmkr, Fairford Ter, Glanvle.

Gerry
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Wednesday 12 December 12 00:45 GMT (UK)
Hi

I have found this record

New South Wales Australia Police Gazette 1854-1930

Deserter From H I German Majesty's War Ship

From the "OGLA" 21st May 1889

Edward Hammer, 24 years of age, 5ft 10" High, Slender Build, Dark Brown Hair, High Forehead, Brown Eyes, Brown Moustache, Defective Teeth, Oval Chin, Soars On Wrist, a native of Mannheim, speaks only German £5.00 Reward

Margp   
Hi I would not discount this record, he may have been in Australia illegally and they may have been sending him back to his own country, there is also the family lore about him jumping ship, I would also say that the description of him is  similar to his photo

I always recommend researchers find a little about the era and some possible reasons that an event occurred.

Edward HAMMER deserted from the German warship ship OLGA on 21 May 1889 while docked in Sydney Harbour where it had arrived 14 Apr 1889.  It had been damaged in the Samoan Crisis 1887-1889. I have attached the item from the Gazette  dated 22 Mary 1889 so there can be no misunderstanding as to its content and presentation. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoan_crisis

Edward and Mary married in 1886 and were having children in Broken Hill in the far west of New South Wales 1143 kms from Sydney 1888, 1900  and then to 1909.  

The RICKARDS were Cornish miners who emigrated to South Australia and like my OH's ancestors, moved to Broken Hill when the copper mining finished in the area of South Autralia known as the Copper Triangle. Edward and Mary married in 1886 following the founding of Broken Hill in 1885.  Perhaps they met in South Australia prior to the RICKARD family moving to the newly established mining area of NSW.  Perhaps Edward emigrated/jumped ship in South Australia not NSW.   Edward's occupation on the 1903 electoral roll was miner.

Cheers
Cando





Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Wednesday 12 December 12 01:00 GMT (UK)
thank you all -

Cando - I have confirmed that Edward and Ann are at Cheltenham Cemetry  :)

I think i might have to take a trip to Broken Hill

cheers

And as I mentioned there is no headstone listed. Just to save you visiting unless of course you want a photo of the grave location :)

I have enjoyed many trips to Broken Hill especially memorable were the meals at the Broken Earth Restaurant viewing the sunsets :)

Cheers ;D
Cando
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Wednesday 12 December 12 01:14 GMT (UK)
Kathy there are a number of online trees for the HAMMER family however a private tree is the only one that has Edward's place of birth as the Netherlands.  Have you contacted the owner of this tree?

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: KWATTON on Wednesday 12 December 12 02:12 GMT (UK)
Thank you Cando - Love your work. I have now sent an email to the Private Owner.  My father showed me the headstone at Cheltenham a few months ago.  I use to travel to Broken Hill alot but that was before I started this search :(
 
Kathy
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Wednesday 12 December 12 02:39 GMT (UK)
Oh pleased there is a headstone Kathy as my resource of photographs at Cheltenham does not list one for HAMMER. but I did say initially....There doesn't appear to be a headstone for them at Cheltenham.  reply#5.  I think the resource was compiled a number of years ago.  Do you think the headstone is the original one ie placed in 1929 and Edwards name added in 1947 or a more recent placement.  Just curious really. ;)

Perhaps you could put a photo of their headstone on your tree but then the other researchers would probably copy it without any acknowledgement.  You could put print copyright and your name right across the photo in feint font ie a watermark so the headstone could be seen but if copied others would know who owns the photo.

Cheers :)
Cando

Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: wivenhoe on Wednesday 12 December 12 05:12 GMT (UK)


If you google something like " Samoa 1889 Olga navy" there are good accounts to find....sounds like this ship....spectacular cyclone in March 1889, involvement in Samoan wars....European powers competing for influence in Samoa.

Might have shaped his decision to leave the ship?

Marriage SA for Clara Rika HAMMER and James Roy BOYLE 
Port Adelaide  1933   339/471

Rika might have been a badly transcribed "Rita" but she is Clara Rika at death.

This sounds rather European and might be name of female relative of Edward Hammer?

Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: MargP on Wednesday 12 December 12 08:49 GMT (UK)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/44042066?searchTerm=edward hammen&searchLimits=

This also confirms that Edward Hammer on the Ogla could not be the Edward Hammer from Broken Hill
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Wednesday 12 December 12 09:27 GMT (UK)


If you google something like " Samoa 1889 Olga navy" there are good accounts to find....sounds like this ship....spectacular cyclone in March 1889, involvement in Samoan wars....European powers competing for influence in Samoa.

Might have shaped his decision to leave the ship?

Quite a bit of information already on the thread.  Link to Samoan Civil War which mentions the OLGA and the cyclone in reply#14 and during the Samoan conflict 1887-1889 Edward married in 1886 in Broken Hill and fathered children born 1888 and 1890.

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Marriage SA for Clara Rika HAMMER and James Roy BOYLE 
Port Adelaide  1933   339/471

Rika might have been a badly transcribed "Rita" but she is Clara Rika at death.

This sounds rather European and might be name of female relative of Edward Hammer?
wivenhoe

The SA Marriage index shows Clara Rika HAMMER to be 31 years of age when she married and her father to be Edward HARMER   You posted her birth previously.

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30366/1901    HAMMER    Clara R    parents Edward/Mary A
wivenhoe

Cheers
Cando



Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Wednesday 12 December 12 09:32 GMT (UK)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/44042066?searchTerm=edward hammen&searchLimits=

This also confirms that Edward Hammer on the Ogla could not be the Edward Hammer from Broken Hill

Thanks for that MargP and confirms my suspicions that HAMMEN not HAMMER was initially was Edward's surname.

Barrier Miner   Thursday 18 April 1889
Edward Hammen stated : Am a laborer living at Broken Hill ; remember Sunday, October 7; was in Argent-street between 12 and 1 that night ; heard a cry of "Stop thief" and "Murder;" saw a man running ; I ran over and caught him ; another man came up from the direction of Block 14 ; this man was the prisoner ; he had a knife in his hand ; he put the knife to the man Fielder's throat; ..........

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Wednesday 12 December 12 10:53 GMT (UK)

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0siv/
Barrier Miner  6 Apr 1900
...........The health of Mr. Matters was drank with enthusiasm. Mr. E. Hammen then on behalf of the employed on the Junction presented the guest with a suitably-inscribed gold Waltham watch and a neatly-designed medal.


Barrier Miner  2 Jul 1891

At to-morrow's sittings of the Land  Board, the following applications will be heard :-Charles Jones, Robert J. McLaughlin, John Henry Ellis, Joseph Cosgrove, Thomas J. Townshend, William B. Woodhead, Edmund Veal, Robert Thompson, Charles Moore, Thomas William Clark, Thomas Edwards, Chris.. J. Mitchell, Henry Milbourne, Thomas W. Hooker, J. A. Moore Sheehy, Arthur T. Teasdale, Edward Conrad, John Logie, Georgo Lock, John O'Connell, John N. Lindo, Alfred E. Weir, Elizabeth C. Harm, Edward Hammen.......


Cando
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: KWATTON on Friday 14 December 12 08:28 GMT (UK)
FYI - I have obtained a copy of Edward Hammer death certificate - states that he was from England and had been in the Commonwealth for 70 years at time of death. Spoke with a relative today and he believes he was on a ship at the age of 15 (possibly a cabin boy) and jumped ship. It is rumoured that he was originally from Holand and his mother placed him on a ship bound for England at the age of 10-12 years due to a plague outbreak in Holand (research shows there was a smallpox plague 1870-1872)

I haven't been able to identify any ships with his name on it  >:(

Cheers  :-\
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: cando on Saturday 15 December 12 01:32 GMT (UK)
Thank you for attaching his death certificate.  It actually states his place of birth was England however information on death certificates is only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant. Family stories can become distorted with the re-telling over the years but should never be ignored. 

Transcriptions of death certificates are available in South Australia.  About half the cost of a certified certificate and the information is the same.


If Edward was crew and jumped ship in South Australia, you will not find his name on any online passenger lists. 

The Adelaide Office of the National Archives of Australia holds a variety of records relating to ship crews including deserters, discharges, and engagements from 1852.

Extensive information on ships and maritime history is also held by the State Library of South Australia.


Perhaps work from facts you know to be true.  This is his marriage and the certificate would assist you with your research.

Quote
Marriage with mistranscribed surname.

7623/1886
HAMMEN Edward
RICKARD Mary A
District Silverton

If you wish to purchase a transcription of their marriage from an accredited transcription agent[cheaper than the certified certificate] I think you need to order using the mistranscribed name on the index but the registration number would bring up the correct registration anyway.    I am more familiar with Vic records.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
Cando

This would cost c$18 and his parents' names, age, place of birth should be detailed.

Information on Marriage Certificates in New South Wales

*Bridegroom's full name, occupation, place of residence, conjugal status, place and date of birth, age,    father's name and mother's maiden name
*Bride's full name, occupation, place of residence, conjugal status, place and date of birth, age, father's name and mother's maiden name
*Celebrant's name and witnesses

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: KWATTON on Sunday 06 January 13 22:50 GMT (UK)
Hi ALL -hope you had a wonderful Christmas and New Year.

Just letting you know I  received the Marriage info for Hammer/Rickard  - unfortunately Im no closer to finding where he came from or his parents as there was minimal info

i have attached a copy of what I receivd.

Cheers

Kathy
Title: Re: Hammer Family Tree
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 06 January 13 23:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Kathy,

You might find this post about missing info on NSW certificates useful:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html

On one of your earlier posts Cando found that the Christian Bible Church was Wesleyan/Methodist.

Debra  :D
Title: Re: HAMMER Family Tree
Post by: TW70 on Sunday 09 June 13 16:04 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I see an Alfred E. Weir mentioned in the Barrier Miner article you have of 1891.  I think this may be an ancestor of mine who was in the navy but seems to have vanished after 1893.  Any help would be welcome.  Would be an Alfred Ebenezer Weir b1873.

Best

Tommy
Title: Re: HAMMER Family Tree
Post by: Aussie1947 on Sunday 09 June 13 16:35 BST (UK)
Hi Tommy,

You are probably aware that you can purchase Alfred's Naval Service Record from the UK National Archives.

 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D6734211

Gerry
Title: Re: HAMMER Family Tree
Post by: TW70 on Sunday 09 June 13 17:01 BST (UK)
Thanks Gerry, yes I have this which ends with him being discharged after deserting the navy and found to be in the army - last mention is start of 1896 and then silence.

Thanks again

Tommy
Title: Re: HAMMER Family Tree
Post by: Aussie1947 on Monday 10 June 13 07:33 BST (UK)
Was he also known as Alfred Edward Weir (Fred) and have 3 daughters, Hilda, Daisy and Gladys because there was a death in the local Newspaper for an Alfred Edward Weir (Fred) on 1st July 1907 at Broken Hill plus him being injured the year before.

Gerry

PS:  Please disregard this post I have now found that Alfred Edward Weir (Fred) whom died on 1st July 1907 was theson of Alfred Weir of Norwood South Australia.
Title: Re: HAMMER Family Tree
Post by: TW70 on Monday 10 June 13 09:04 BST (UK)
No probs, was a close match though

Thanks for this

Tommy