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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: Wade82 on Sunday 09 December 12 17:46 GMT (UK)
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Hello all I just come across this site I have been doing my family tree for a few years now and when I started I found it incredibly difficult for my dads side all in county tyrone so continued with my mums easy peasy well in comapasrion with my dads I kept coming back to his side but got so frustrated now im starting properly I have ordered a few marriage certs and have got a few names so just wondering if anyone is also reasing this family or anyone has tips.
All seem to be around Dungannon area Brackaville, Tullyniskan, Donaghmore Coalisland Newmills have come up in research.The names are Wade,Curran,Proctor,Allen,Williamson,Marshal and I think there is a connection to Patton to but not verified yet any help appreiceted im hoping to visit next year as I do still have family there but noone knows anything!
Thankyou
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If you'd like us to try and help you will need to give us details- names, dates, etc.-so that we have a starting place.
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Hello Thankyou I have just recieved the cert for Thomas Wade marriage to Mary Curran in 1886 fathers name Charles Wade Thomas Curran they lived in Congo I am trying to find birth for them all and marriage for the fathers. This might be a good starting block. I found Thomas Wade in 1901 census with 8 children and Mary says age 60 but in 1911 census says age 60 also?
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What were the addresses (townlands) given for Thomas and Mary, when they married? Also, what were their father’s occupations?
Statutory birth registration only began in Ireland in 1864 so you won’t get a birth cert for Thomas or Mary. You’ll need to rely on church records. If they were Presbyterian and lived in the area around Congo, they may have attended either Dungannon 1st or Dungannon 2nd Presbyterian churches. The 1st records start in 1790 & the 2nds in 1830. Copies of both are held in PRONI, Belfast.
Here’s the abstract (summary) of a will held in PRONI. (The will itself is not on-line yet. You would need to go to PRONI or get a copy from them):
Wade Thomas of Congo Edendork Dungannon county Tyrone farmer and old age pensioner died 1 February 1925 Probate Londonderry 12 March to John Wade and Archibald McClean farmers. Effects £105 12s. 6d.
That Thomas was an OAP may be useful to you because if he made an application for an old age pension, he would have had to produce evidence of age. In the absence of a birth or baptism cert, often a check was made against the 1851 and sometimes the 1841 censuses. The file would often record the entire census for his family. Copies for Tyrone are in PRONI, Belfast. There is also at least one commercial site that also has the information.
Don't worry about the age discrepancies in the censuses. Birthdays weren't really celebrated by most people and nobody bothered too much about their ages at that time, so such discrepancies are very common.
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hello thankyou pension records may be a way forward yes thats him my dad says all the wades were either famers or stone masons then latter years dabbled in building work they were all presbyterian it says 1st presbyterian church dungannon where would that be i tried searching online and got nothing also Congo where is that ? my dad says as far as he aware all the family have never left dungannon area.
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For reference here's the link to 1901 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Donaghmore/Congo/1739463
and 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Donaghmore/Congo/868252
In both records Thomas Wade is listed as unable to read and it's not surprising the ages don't work out as this often happened.
Where were Thomas and Mary living when they got married and what were their father's occupations?
Civil registration of non-Catholic marriages began in 1845 but it's possible that Thomas' parents were married before that date. If so, you'd need to see if any church record survives.
Wonder if this is the same Thomas Wade?
"Wade Thomas of Congo Edendork Dungannon county Tyrone farmer and old age pensioner died 1 February 1925 Probate Londonderry 12 March to John Wade and Archibald McClean farmers. Effects £105 12s. 6d." www.proni.gov.uk
Son Charles Wade went to U.S. in 1913- if you don't have the details you can view the manifest (2 pages) on www.ellisisland.org. link corrected
If this it's your topic on another board there may be someone else researching the Wade family-
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7331/mb.ashx?pnt=1
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The 1st Presbyterian records are not on-line. The originals will be held by the church, with a copy deposited in PRONI. (Ref MIC1P/3A & MIC1P/460). You either need to go in person or get someone to look them up for you.
Congo is a townland in Drumglass parish. In Griffiths Valuation for 1860, there were 20 households listed but no Wades, which you would expect if the family were farmers. So they may have moved there from elsewhere after 1860. That’s why I asked about the addresses on the marriage cert.
Congo is about a mile east of Donaghmore. The modern Gortnaglush Rd runs through the middle of it.
You may need to look at the Revaluation records in PRONI to find out how long the family lived in Congo. (Again these are not on-line). Congo is in Donaghmore DED. Val 12B series of records in PRONI.
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hello thankyou so much there address is congo when they got married in 1886 and my dad said they still had farm when he was a kid as he remembers an old man Jo and John who run it they never married according to my dad my dad was born 1955 so they still had it then.
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The link for Charles wade going to US doesnt work :( I have been unable to find any info for him and the rest of the children except my great randfather Thomas.
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where is the 1st presbyterian church? Thankyou As I said I am hoping to visit next year so I could go then.
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that topic on ancestry is me :)
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As I say, Griffiths does not list any Wade family in Congo in 1860. I searched on Charles Wade. There is only 1 listed in Co Tyrone for that same year. He was in the townland of Drumey where he had a house, offices (outbuildings) and 5 acres (plot 3). There’s no Wade family there in the 1901 census, so perhaps the family moved from Drumey to Congo between 1860 and 1886. The revaluation records would tell you when the Drumey property was given up, and when the Congo one taken on, and by whom.
Here’s a link to the 1st Presbyterian Church. However you may find it easier to look at the records at PRONI, especially as there are evidently other relevant records there too.
http://www.presbyterianireland.org/congregations/dungannon.html
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Ok thankyou do you just go into PRONI and search or do I have to pay someone to search?
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Is Drumey still County Tyrone tried looking but cant find it ?
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You can search yourself at PRONI. No fees. Just charges for any copying you choose to make. Take photo id on 1st visit to get a readers ticket.
Drumey is about half a mile north of Congo. These are small townlands with a handful of inhabitants so you are unlikely to find them on Google earth etc. You can find them on the maps on Griffiths Valuation. You can see both a contemporaneous map, and then overlay a modern map, using the slider bar in the top right hand corner of the map screen. (It takes a little getting used to).
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
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Excellent thankyou very much.
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Charles Wade definatly went to America just found passenger list on ancestry for 1913 he was 23 a stone mason father Thomas and from congo tyrone he was going to hartford conneticut do you reckon this is for work i wonder if he stayed on with the search thankyou so excited ive found one :D
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ok his totally disappeared no record in us census that i can see and no record of him going back to northern ireland back to aaarrrggghh.
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He was in Manchester, Hartford, Connecticut in 1920, 1930, 1940, 1942 and died there 20 May 1957. Wife Anna (maiden name Hustin- spelling varies) died before him and they had 1 daughter.
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I've corrected the Ellis Island link but you should easily find the census records for Charles Wade either on Ancestry if you have a subscription or at www.familysearch.org which is free.
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Thankyou o much been following this up today and trying to find exact name for his wife where would I find marriage details I cant even find the parents of alma or annie hustin or houstin?
Thankyou
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There is an announcement in the Hartford Courant from 17 Aug. 1916 that appears to be announcing the marriage of Charles Wade & Anna Houston. It is a pay-per-view article, so I can't see the whole thing. There is a link to it here - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0siu/
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Hello I have just received the death cert of Thomas Wade died 2nd Feb 1925 aged 71 says he is a widower then so wife Mary died between 1911 and 1925 can anyone find the death at all please ?
Thank You.
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The online civil registration index goes up to 1921 for Northern Ireland counties so you can check yourself for the details needed to order the certificate- www.familysearch.org
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I have looked on there any there is only one but has her birth at 1865 where I have it around 10 years before also has a middle name of Anne which I have not come across ?.
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If she died between 1922/1925 you will not find her in the online index.
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If your people lived in Congo and were Presbyterians it is more than likely they were members of Carland Presbyterian Church.
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Thank You Mothrship.