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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Berwickshire => Topic started by: raewyngillian on Sunday 09 December 12 09:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi all ,
I am searching for the birth of Isabella Thompson born1804 Berwick according to various Cenci. I'm also looking for her marriage to Joseph Weatherston, date unknown.
Joseph was a Slater in Northumberland.
I can find this couple in the Cenci but I can't find any births or marriages.
I would love to find Isabella's parents.
Hoping someone can help
gillie
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Hi gillie ,
Is this Isabella ? -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQZ9-SVS
If it is her the birth may be Berwick Northumberland England rather than Berwickshire Scotland :-\
ev
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Hi Ev,
Yes that's her. In the eary Cenci it was written as Berwick.
So......being a displaced Kiwi in Oz:):). I'm not up on border changes etc so
I'm not really sure where she was born but I'm desperate to find out her parents
if possible. Also when she married Joseph Weatherston.
Cheers
Gillie
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I have an earlier Isabella Thompson, who married William Claise in 1764 at Hutton, Berwickshire, just a few miles from the Border. Maybe she was an aunt or otherwise related to your Isabella? They had 7 children between 1786-1803: George Clazy, John Clazie, William Clazie, Janet Clazie, James Clezie, Archibald Clezie, Agnes Cleasie. How spelling evolved!
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Hi there,
Thanks for the reply. However there seems to be a real lot of Isabella's and Thompson's in and around Berwick and Berwick on Tweed but Ive not seen them attached to Clazy/Clease at any time.
Cheers
Gillie
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An Isabella Weatherston died at Berwick-on-Tweed in the first quarter of 1888 aged 84. Must be her. Hopefully her parents' names will be on the death certificate.
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Hi Annie
Many thanks for your reply.
I was of the understanding that death Certs only gave the husband's name??
I am happy to purchase the death cert if its probable that her parents' names would be on it.
Can anyone advise, please?
Cheers
Gillie
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Hi Gillie
Of course, you're right. I'm confusing English DCs with Scottish ones. There could be a son or daughter or other relative named as informant which might just be of some help?
Annie
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hi Annie,.
Nope…..no children….only a husband who died before she did.
It would be great if someone had the BDMs for Berwick on Tweed and could search the Births for 1804 then maybe I could find her parents. I guess I'll just have to wait until they put them online :'( :D….or maybe a marriage….
Cheers
Gillie
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Hi Gillie,
If you request a look - up , someone may be going to Berwick Records Office. They are transcribed into books so it is not a difficuly look-up.
If you are still stuck by early April give me a PM and I will be going in soon after that. Presently abroad.
Regards,
BigOoms.
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Gillie,
Look at the Directory for Berwick upon Tweed. 1806.( on-line)
May not be relevant but there is a Master Slater. William Weatherston listed. She does live there in 1881. Joseph may be from there too.
BigOoms.
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Hi there, I didnt know about that. Many thanks. Gillie ;)
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Gillie,
The Newcastle Courant, 1 Jan 1820, reported the marriage -
"Thursday se'nnight, Mr Wm Weatherstone, slater, to Miss Christian Sutherland, daughter of Mr Alexander Sutherland, Innkeeper, all of Berwick". But I can't find a Parish record of the event.
In the absence of marriage details and ".... no children ....", what is the source of Isabella's surname before marriage "Thompson"? I've checked the Census 1841-1881 and no clue there. What I did find unusual was the consitency of Isabella's calculated year of birth - always 1804 ( including even 1841!)
Familysearch has an Isabella Thompkins, born 31/1/1804 and christened 18/2/1805, Chapel Street or Shaws Lane or Relief Chap, United Berwi, Berwick upon Tweed (batch no C080401). That's the closest I can find on line
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Please note a new thread here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,635387.0.html
and the various links given in reply 27
In the absence of marriage details and ".... no children ....", what is the source of Isabella's surname before marriage "Thompson"? I've checked the Census 1841-1881 and no clue there.
Please see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,414531.msg2829380.html#msg2829380
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Hello Gilly,
Eccles Churchyard has
Margaret Clazy, wife of Robert Hoy, died 21/02/1885, aged 89 years
George Clazy, died 5/10/1833, aged 69 years - wife is Agnes Alexander
son Adam Clazy, died 7/06/1837, aged 37 Years
dau Helen Clazy, died 17/06/1839, aged 29 years - wife of John Leitch
Agnes Clazy, died 14/08/1879, aged 75 years
Don't know if they fit into your tree!
Mags
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Me again Gillie,
Chirnside Churchyard
James Clezie, died 8/06/1833, aged 66 years
Wife Helen Carr, died 5/04/1826, aged 62 years
son Joseph, died 18/05/1823, aged 23 years
Margaret Clazey, died 23/11/1856, aged 65 years - wife of Thomas Taucher
son James Clazy, died at Hutton, 8/12/1860, aged 58 years
Mags
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I photographed that inscription at Chirnside when I visited 2 years ago - it well illustrates how flexible they were about spelling: Clezy-Clezie-Claizey-Clazey all refer to members one family, Helen Carr and Helen Kerr are the same person.
In Memory of Helen Carr Wife of James Clezy who died 15th April 1826 Aged 62 years.
(Several women were named Helen Kerr or Carr - the one who married James Clazie / Clezie, etc. seems to have been born 29 Nov 1764 at Ayton, parents William Kerr & Margaret Burn.)
Also Joseph Clezie their son who died May 18th 1823 aged 23 years.
(Joseph was the 8th child of Helen Kerr & James Clezie, baptized 20 July 1803 at Fogo,. He died age 23 - from an accident, illness, or maybe a fight?)
The said James Clezie died on the 8th June 1833 aged 66 years.
(This is Helen Kerr’s husband. He was baptized 26 Oct 1766 at Edrington so was age 66 when he died in 1833.)
Also Margaret Claizey wife of Thomas Taucher who died Nov 23 1856 aged 65 years.
(Margaret was the 2nd child of Helen Kerr & James Clezie, born Feb 1789 at Polwarth, so was actually 67 when she died in 1856. I have her death certificate, which says she died of cancer, at Hutton Hall Barns.)
Also James Clazey son of the above James Clazey who died at Hutton 8th Dec 1860 aged 58 years.
(James was the 7th child of Helen Kerr & James Clezie; he was baptized 24 April 1802 at Fogo; married Janet “Jessie” Brodie, 27 May 1825 at Hutton.)