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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: daisycat on Friday 07 December 12 23:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am wondering if anyone can help me. My great great grandmother was Mary Ann Langley born abt. 1852 died 1938 in South Australia as married name Mary Ann Fewster. There is some connection to the surname "Proctor", which I can't figure out. Her son was Garnet Proctor Langley Fewster, who died when he was 4 years old. I have looked at familyHistorySAinfo website and found there was a John Proctor and Ann Langley arriving with 2 sons in 1840 on the Charles Kerr from London. I had believed that Mary Ann was born in England, but now not so sure. Mary Ann married William Fewster after the death of his first wife, Ruth Richmond (is my understanding).
I am on ancestry.com and I have also looked at Trove as well as the website above.
I am wondering if anybody can suggest another website or another way to search for this information. I am not that good at utilising everything ancestry.com has to offer.
There is some connection here, I just can't put it together.
Any help would be appreciated.
Daisycat
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Hi Daisycat,
According to the "Bound For South Australia" database, on board the same ship on the same voyage as the PROCTOR family were a William & Elizabeth LANGLEY?LONGLEY with two children, sons George and Richard. In bracket's Elizabeth's maiden name is given as HEPPLEWHITE with several question marks after it. They were cabin passengers.
Maybe William and Ann were brother and sister?
Again, that would suggest that Mary Ann was born in South Australia. :-\
Dee :)
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There was also an Allison PROCTOR on board the "Charles Kerr".
Dee :)
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Ancestry won't give you all the answers :-X
Marriage
FEWSTER William 33 years Status Widower Father Edwin FEWSTER
LANGLEY Mary Ann 20 years Status Single Father Edwin LANGLEY
21 Apr 1873
At Christ Church Strathalbyn Str 95/224
There are no births with father Edwin LANGLEY in South Australia.
Not helping with Mary Ann's birth but you may find the following useful. Info all needs to be validated where possible.
From Biographical Index of South Australians - not 100% accurate as there are errors and omissions. This appears to be submitted information.
PROCTOR John
Born c1819 Died 26 Feb 1888 Buried West Terrace Cemetery
Arrived by 1855
Residence Adelaide Religion P.Methodist
Married Ann born 1819 Died 13 Feb 1898
Children Annie Maria BONE 1844-1875, Mary Ann 1854-1855, William 1855-1894, Sarah Elizabeth 1858-1859 , Alfred George 1864-1935
FEWSTER William
Died after 1878
Arrived by 1862
0ccupation Carter Lived Adelaide
Religion Church of England
Married Ruth born 1842 Died 17 Jan 1872 Adelaide SA Buried West Terrace Cemetery
Children - Henry Arthur 1862-1903.
FEWSTER Henry Arthur
Parents Wm and Ruth
Born 31 May 1862 SA Died 18 Mar 1903 Buried Stirling SA
Married 23 May 1887 Adelaide SA Emily nee EDSON
Parents Williamm and Mary Jane nee BAKER born 25 Jun 1856
Bangor SA Died 25 May 1920
Children Ruby Mary Ann 1888-, Arthur William Edson 1889-, Lilian Frances 1891-, Stanley 1894-.
I notice that a number of Wm and Mary Ann FEWSTER's chn have three names including Harwood and Stirling. Is there a connection with another family with these names?
Cando
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FYI - from BISA
LANGLEY William arrived by 1845
Occupation Labourer, Cooper, Mariner
Lived Pt Adelaide, Adelaide Religion Church of England.
Married Elizabeth nee HEPPLEWHITE
Children- William Henry 1845-, Isabella Ann (1848-, Sarah Jane (1850-, Matilda 1852-1854, Ralph Samuel Hepplewhite 1855-, Thomas Giles c1857-1926, Elizabeth Matilda 1860-1860, Charles Alexander Hall 1862-1869
Cando
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Link to transcribed/compiled CHARLES KERR passenger list
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1840CharlesKerr.gif
Cando
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Thank you, all good information.
Mary Anns father was Edwin (or Edward) Langley and her mother was Mary Milk. Not a common name, yet I can't find anything.
DaisyCat
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFL5-857
Debra :)
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From freebdm
Marriages Sep 1844
LANGLEY Edmund Mitford 13/353
MILK Mary Mitford 13/353
1851 Census HO107/1828/129/22
Living at Gt Massingham, Norfolk
LANGLEY Edmund Head Married 36 years Ag Lab Born Massingham, Norfolk
LANGLEY Mary Wife 36 years Born Massingham, Norfolk
LANGLEY Martha Dau 10 years Born Massingham, Norfolk
LANGLEY Sarah Dau 6 years Born Weasenham, Norfolk
LANGLEY Maria Dau 3 years Born Massingham, Norfolk
MILK Emma Visitor 3 years Born Massingham, Norfolk
LANGLEY Robert Son 1 year Born Massingham, Norfolk
Their arrival on the NAVARINO 25 Sep 1851. Robert died at sea.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/navarino1851.shtml
First registered birth in SA in 1854 is for John in the Adelaide district with a further five births to 1865 in the Mt Barker district. If this is the correct family, Mary Ann who was born c1853 according to her marriage registration, was born in South Australia.
Cando
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Was Mary married previously or is this her with an illegitimate dau :-\
1841 Census HO107/778/29/8/20
Living at Weasenham, Norfolk
DAWSON Ann 70 years Born county
MILK Mary 27 years Born county
MILK Martha 1 years Born County
Cando
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This report would suggest that John PROCTOR was Edmund/Edwin/Edward's brother-in-law. Edward LANGLEY born c1816 and Anne LANGLEY born c1821 were obviously siblings. John PROCTOR had a substantial estate when he died.
Perhaps I have misinterpreted the article.
South Australian Register 15 Jan 1868
LAW AND CRIMINAL COURT, INSOLVENCY....
In re Edward Langley, of Littlehampton, labourer an adjourned final hearing. Mr. Bundey for an opposing creditor, and likewise for the Official Assignee. The accountant's report was read as follows:— 'The debts in the schedule amount to £101 2s. There are no assets. Insolvent was farming from May, 1866, to May, 1877, and having lost £125, he sold his farming stock and effects for £117 15s. to Mr. Proctor, his principal creditor. He accounts for having earned £29 7s. 6d. since May. 1867, and has contracted a fresh debt of £5 15s. The insolvent was examined at considerable length by Mr. Bundey, who at the close called evidence in support of charges he intended to bring against him. The learned counsel submitted that as the insolvent had made very unsatisfactory statements the certificate should be suspended. It was evident, he said, that his insolvency bad not arisen from unavoidable losses an 4 misfortunes. His Honor, in giving judgment, said the insolvent had made a very suspicious transfer of all his property to his brother in law. There was no doubt at the time he was hopelessly insolvent. He awarded the insolvent a second class certificate, to be suspended for 12 months, on the ground that he had postponed committing an act of insolvency longer than was excusable.
Cando
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Freereg has this marriage:
Weasenham, Church: St Peter
24 September, 1844
Edmund LANGLEY, bachelor, labourer, aged 28
Mary MILK, spinster, aged 25
Transcriber's notes: Groom and Bride Signed by Mark. Remainder of details missing from image.
And these baptisms, at Great Massingham, St Mary, with parents Edmund (labourer) and Mary LANGLEY
14 April 1850 - Robert
11 June 1848 - Maria
12 July 1846 - Charles, burial 5 April 1847 aged 9 months
24 November 1844 - Sarah Ann
Judith
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death notices for Edward and Charles Langley
1885 'Family Notices.', The South Australian Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1858 - 1889), 27 February, p. 4, viewed 31 May, 2014, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article35977296
(says Edward was 75 yo in 1885)
see also 1900 'Family Notices.', Chronicle (Adelaide, SA : 1895 - 1954), 5 May, p. 10, viewed 31 May, 2014, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article87802812
LANGLEY.— At Gumby Farm, Murtra, Victoria,
Charles, beloved husband of Caroline Langley,
brother of the late Mrs. Ann Proctor, of Ade-
laide, and the late Edward Langley, of Western
Flat, Mount Barker. He asked life of Thee, and
Thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever
and ever.— Inserted by Mrs. W. Fewster, Mount
Lofty ; and Mrs. P. Proctor, Plympton.