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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: toni* on Friday 07 December 12 13:30 GMT (UK)
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Quickie for you :
1841 Census I have Mary Stevens (aged 41) nee Waters at Three Cups Warbleton
She is with her daughter Naomi aged 9
And Joshua Stevens aged 10 months I do not know who Joshua is
HO107; 1108; : 4; : 20; 6;
For information:
Mary Waters married Samuel Stevens on 19 Aug 1815 at Warbleton
Sometimes Stevens is written as Stephens
They had children:
Mathew 1816-1901 (marries Jane Watson has children from 1849)
Faith 1817 (no further details known)
Mary Ann 1819 (ditto)
Matilda 1821-1882 (marries Thomas Mitchell in 1839)
James 1823 (no further details known)
Selina 1825 (has an illegitimate child Frank in 1851 and then marries Charles Howell and has more children from 1852)
George 1826 (no further details known)
Sophia 1828 (ditto)
Samuel 1830 (ditto)
Naomi 1832 (ditto)
I know I am missing a lot of detail but I have only just begun to follow up this line completely, I descend from Matilda
I am assuming that Joshua is the child of either Selina, James, Matilda, Mary Ann, Faith or Mathew but I just can’t seem to fit him in anywhere.
Can you help please ?
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Hi,
Family Search has a baptism of a Joshua Stevens on 25.12.1840. Warbleton, Sussex. Mother Mary Stevens.
Sharon
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Sussex Family History Group also has that most likely baptism (Christmas day 1840), but they also have another in 1838 to the widow Marrianne (Mary Anne?) Stevens.
To confuse matters further, neither Joshua seems to have an entry on FreeBMD, so it is possible that the Mary's baby was officially registered just as a male child or under the father's surname.
Roy G
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thanks for your help :) i see the 1838 baptisim is to a widow Marianne whilst this could be Mary Ann (b.1819) she would not be a Stevens if she was a widow ?
unless it is of course to Mary nee Waters although i have only ever seen her transcribed as May and not Mary Ann / Marianne etc. this is by no means conclusive i shall have to try (harder) and track him on later census. The 1840 baptisim looks more likely considering his age in June 1841 i.e. at the time of the census he was given as 10 months so possibly born around September 1840 ? again with the mother being given as Mary this could be Mary nee Waters or Mary Ann b. 1819
i had not considered before that Joshua may belong to Mary nee Waters but it is not impossible.
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not having any luck locating Joshua in later census can someone look to see if they can find a burial please
i also need to find a burial for Samuel Stevens senior i would assume after 1831 as Naomi was born in 1832
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There is a probable marriage in the Hailsham district for Joshua Stevens in 1863. Although the family seems to have been broken up by 1841, it does seem to tie in with sightings in Hailsham/Hellingly on both the 1841 and 1861 censuses. In the latter however, Joshua Stevens gives Heathfield as a birthplace and appears to be living with Reuban & Sophia rather than a Mary. The Reuban & Sophia combination of Hellingly appear in close proximity on all three censuses, so could there have been a connection between that couple and Mary? Roy G
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thank you i shall look into that
:)
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name: Sam Stephens
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 09 May 1791
baptism/christening place: WARBLETON,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
father's name: James Stephens
mother's name: Ann
MARY WATERS
Family
Marriage:
19 AUG 1815 Warbleton, Sussex, England
samuels siblings christened warbleton
sarah 19 aug 1791
fanny 25 July 1794
Sophia 09 Jun 1793
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Name: Reuben Stevens
Spouse's Name: Sophia Shorter
Marriage Date: 1 Jun 1825
Marriage Place: Warbleton, Sussex, England
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1851 for Reuben & Sophia
HO107; 1638; 364; 17 - Warbleton
Reuben Stevens 50 b. Etchingham
Sophia Stevens 70 b. Warbleton
Elizabeth Stevens 13 niece b. Jevington
George Pankhurst 25 servant (ag lab) b. HEathfield
not sure i am going down the right path here
1861 - still Warbleton
Reuben Stevens 60 b. Etchingham
Sophia Stevens 61 b. Warbleton
Elizabeth Stevens 23 niece b. Willingdon
Reuben Sweetman 13 nephew b. Warbleton
RG 9 569; 118; 11;
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Hi Toni. Re the right path.
Unfortunately I do not subscribe to those websites that ask for large subscription fees, so my access to census info is more via indexes to them than the censuses themselves. I had picked up that Reuban & Sophia Stevens always seemed to be sequential entries with Mary's family, suggesting they may have either been living together or in close proximity with them. Your findings on the 51 & 61 census above tell us they were certainly not living under the same roof, but do seem to have a liking for permanently accommodating displaced members of the family, so perhaps are still worthy of consideration.
As for the elusive Joshua Stevens of Hailsham, the LDS Copy of the 1871 census is a little flexible with his age, but lists him and his wife Mary Ann Stevens, and children: Flora Eunice Stevens 1864 and Joshua Chas Stevens 1868. He is still in the same location in 1881 (a further year of flexibility with his age), and appears as a widowed pork butcher, having seven children to care for. Mary Ann died Hailsham district 1880 (Freebmd)
It might be worth your while to find or purchase a copy of his marriage cert to see who he lists his father as, and who were the witnesses.
His marriage was in the Hailsham district, Sept quarter 1863, ref 2b 101, Joshua Stevens to Mary Ann Paine.
LONGSHOT
Given the fact that FreeBMD has no Joshua Stevens - Stephens born Sussex 10 months before the 1841 census, a longshot is a Freebmd first name search for a Joshua (no surname) born in the Hailsham district about that time. Only one name turns up, a Joshua Billins, birth registered in the Hailsham district in the June quarter of 1840. Could this be your Joshua's birth registered under the surname of a father who was not married to his mother? The 1841 census shows only 3 people with the Billins surname in Sussex, all of them living in Hailsham, and none a Joshua. Two were husband and wife, born in the 1780s, and the other a William Billins born 1821. Unfortunately there were also a number of people in Hailsham whose surname was Billiness but again there is no Joshua amongst them. So there certainly was a Joshua Billins or Billiness born about 10 months before the 1841 census who that census has no record of. The question you have to ask yourself is, could Joshua Billins have been the 10 month old son living with a 40 year old Mary Stevens who either was, or purported to be, his mother?
Roy G
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thank you for your thoughts Roy that is certainly something to consider. :)
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There's a Joshua Stevens in Heathfield on 1861 - "son in law" of James Luck (55) and Mary (40). Guessing this is as in step son, given he is unmarried. Need to find a marriage but wonder if this is Mary the daughter
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Have found the family in 1851, ref HO107/ 1638/ 393/ 7 - transcribed as Lucks
James is a beer house keeper with Mary Ann, who Ancestry have as 50 but probably 30? Joshua is listed as a Lucks, aged 10. Also with them is a Naomi, aged 19
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Hmm - Mary is again older than James on 1871 (aged 76) so my theory may not be that strong. UNless she's Mary senior?? If her age is rounded down on 1841, it's possible.
Looking again, on 1861 there's a James Mitchell, 12 yr old grandson with James & Mary Luck - checking back it's quite possible he's Matilda's son and Mrs Luck is mary senior.
I haven't seen a marriage - but it does raise the question is Joshua the son of James Luck?
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Looking at the other options suggested - I can see a Joshua Billings aged 1 in Warbleton on 1841 and 11 on 1851, son of John and Hannah
Joshua Billings
Christening Date 29 Mar 1840
Christening Place Warbleton, Sussex, England
Father John Billings
Mother Hannah
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The further alternative spelling of Billins = Billings and a Joshua Billings of about the right age turning up in both Baptisms and census, certainly kills off my theory. Pity, I thought we may have cracked it. Roy G
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thats brilliant thanks for your work x
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I wonder if Joshua could have been registered under male Stevens / Stephens
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Hi Toni
Just looked at Anc******
Under male Steven born 1840 Warbleton - none
then I entered
Joshua born 1840 warbleton
and Yes - Joshua no surname
Male
25 Dec 1840
Warbleton
mother - Mary Stevens
You take care on the ice
best wishes
Sue
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Hi Toni
Just checked marriage for a James Luck
and there is one
marriage Jan-Feb-Mar 1841 Tonbridge, Kent
and on the same page is a Mary Stevens.
Is this part of our/your Punnett line! :)
Best wishes
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Thanks for looking i didnt get a chance to yesterday.
Yes it is part of the Punnett Line.
Herbert Samuel married Ann Matilda Mitchell, Ann parents were Thomas Mitchell and Matilda nee Stevens / Stephens Matildas parents are Sam Stevens / Stephens and Mary nee Waters.
Ice all gone today - have you moved yet ?
Toni :)
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hello Toni, I'm Helen, I have just registered as found this site by chance whilst looking up some family history. I realise yours is an old posting from 2012 so I'm hoping you are still looking for your ancestors. I have quite a bit of Stevens history already, you say your direct line is from Matilda Stevens, mine is from Matthew her brother, who is my great grandfather. Are you still searching for info. I have looked up most of Matthew's siblings with some success, also his father and grandfather. Do hope to get a reply as still needing help.