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Hi
I am looking to find out more about Maisie Landy.
She married William E Hadland (poss Hagland) in Liverpool Dec qtr 1929
In March qtr 1937 she became Maisie V L Hagland marrying a William Bennett in Liverpool South.
I can't find her birth or anything about her family
Any help would be wonderful
Krs Cal 8)
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Do you have a copy of either marriage cert showing her age and her fathers name?
When and where did she die as her death reg will give you a birthyear
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There is a death reg in Prescot 1966 showing an approx birthyear 1909 - is that her?
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Maisie can be a nickname for Margaret or Marjorie and was originally a Scottish variant of Margaret.
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There is a death reg in Prescot 1966 showing an approx birthyear 1909 - is that her?
Hi CaroleW
There is this birth in 1909 but as you say a marriage cert is needed.
Margaret Landy Dec 1/4 1909 Oldham vol 8d page 597
Or
Florence May Landy June 1/4 1909 West Derby vol 8b page 568
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May she have Irish origins? If this is your ancestor, are you able to find out anything more via living relatives? :-\
But as others have said, you really need a copy of her marriage certificate/s. There are one or two possible candidates in the 1911 census, but we really need to know her father's name before we look any further.
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Hi Cal,
Just found a report in the Manchester Guardian of an inquest on Mrs Bertha Landy aged 70, who died on December 13 1934, following an accident at a school concert the day before. The floor of St Clements Church of England School collapsed during a school concert. Her daughter, Mrs Maisie Hagland, gave evidence at the inquest, saying that the room had been far too crowded.
In 1901, there is a Bertha C Landy age 37 in Wavertree with husband William (39), and children Bertha E (17) and Harold J (12), but I can't see them in 1911
:) Barbara
PS there were two articles about the inquest; in one of them it says Bertha Landy lived on Upper Parliament St, but doesn't give an address for Maisie
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Great detective work Barbara! :)
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I was actually looking in hope of seeing a death for Maisie's husband somewhere, as Hagland is not too common. Finding Maisie & her mum was more than expected! :D :D
There are Catholic baptisms on Anc for Bertha Emily Landy and Harold John Landy, parents William Landy and Bertha Jarvis. No sign of a Maisie though :-\
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This could be William's death. (Father of Maisie)
March 1/4 1911 West Derby 8b/346
Doesn't explain where the rest of the family are in 1911 though.
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Hi I think that Bertha b c 1865 Liverpool could be a LAUDY?
Keyboard86
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That is exactly what I was just going to say! ;D No Maisie though.
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If we don't know Maisie's year of birth, and we don't know if Maisie is a nickname and her real name is Margaret or something else, and she is obviously not at home with her mother, and her surname may have been mistranscribed as Sandy/Dandy or any number of other variants/mispellings, it is quite difficult to narrow down a likely candidate in 1911 .... :-\
It is even a possibility that she was not born until after the 1911 census, and took her mother's married name of Landy. :-\ Pushing it a bit with her mother's age, but stranger things have happened. ;D Or might she be the daughter of one of Bertha's children? :-\
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In March qtr 1937 she became Maisie V L Hagland marrying a William Bennett in Liverpool South.
I can't find her birth
Krs Cal 8)
Birth
Maisie V L Jenkins
June 1/4 1910 Liverpool vol 8b page 69
Marriage Maisie V L Jenkins to Leonard E Feesey Sept 1/4 1939 Wallasey 8a 2308
This Maisie's parents are Hugh Surrey Jenkins and Lucy Annie Rose
Marriage Sept 1/4 1902 Kings Norton vol 6c page 901
Ah well she looked a possibility for a while. :)
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Oddly enough there are a couple of other births of Maisie with middle initials VL. ;D
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From my first reply
Do you have a copy of either marriage cert showing her age and her fathers name?
When and where did she die as her death reg will give you a birthyear
We also need Cal to confirm whether the 1966 death reg is hers so we have a birthyear.
Given the various permutations for "Maisie" and no birth reg - we really need more info
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[This post crossed with Carole's last one - I agree, we need a bit more in terms of age etc]
There are two Hagland children that might be Maisie's, born with mother's surname Landy; a girl born Maidenhead, Kent in 1930 and a boy born Liverpool 1931.
Maisie clearly identifies with Bertha as her mother, but she could be adopted or as Ruskie says, Bertha's granddaughter brought up as her daughter.
I wonder about the two year old that is with the Landys in 1911; she doesn't seem to appear again apart from a birth reg and the census entry. Could that be Maisie with a different name?
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Oh my thank you all so much for all of your hard work.
This side of the tree is my daughters paternal side and there is no one to ask to unravel it. I decided to pick this up as my tree has come to an almighty halt!
The only info I had on Maisie was she was a Landy, married a William Hagland (she had 2 children with him which Barbara H has picked up), then she married a William Bennett. I knew they lived in Liverpool but didn't know if they were originally Liverpool people.
I have no idea when Maisie died but after Christmas I will send off for certificates of her marriages, the Prescot death in 1966 Carol W found and the William Landy death crisane found.
From some family gossip it was rumoured her first husband was sent down for fraud and died in jail, how true this is I have no idea. If he was in jail are death records kept somewhere else? Was also wondering did we still ship prisoners off to Australia as late as the 1930s?? This may explain why we can't find a death. :-\
Fabulous find Barbara with the school collapsing (how tragic was that!) but it does confirm the relationship with Maisie and Bertha C.
If Bertha C was Maisie's mum then she would have been around 47 when she had her so maybe she did bring up Maisie as her own from one of her children.. good thought there Ruskie.
I have a feeling she maybe the Margaret Landy in the 1911 census (I will invest in some credits and take a look).
I have looked back through the census reports and discovered that William Landy's father was Irish so it looks like that is where the name came from.
It is quite spooky as my McKinnelly clan came from Ireland and lived in the same area of Liverpool ... in 1881 William's brother was noted as a ships cook... the same as one of my McKinnelly's .. maybe they actually knew each other
I can't thank you all enough :)... great detective work every one it has got me going. I have found that Bertha Catherine Landy is buried in Toxeth Park Cemetery (which is where my McKinnelly's are too) so I will pop along and visit her soon.
Cal 8)
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Hi
I would only send for one marriage cert at the moment - the one to Hagland. Don't send for the other one or the death cert just yet.
It may not be cost effective to get the others if we get enough info from the first cert to unravel her past
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This is the only William E Hagland birth but this particular guy only died in 1983 in York
William Eric Hagland September qtr 1906 Boston (Lincs) 7a 422
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Carole W that is a worrying discovery that if it is our William that he died so recently... as in I was part of this family back then and no body knew of this .... :-\
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I wonder about the two year old that is with the Landys in 1911; she doesn't seem to appear again apart from a birth reg and the census entry. Could that be Maisie with a different name?
Frederica Haddon b Seacombe? She might be worth investigating. ;)
Cal - no prisoners to Australia in 1930s I'm afraid. ;) (that stopped in 1868) He could have gone voluntarily of course.
It might be worth trying newspapers again for William Hagland to check the family rumours. I know Barbara has already looked, but maybe trying local papers, broad searches on that surname which may have been mispelled etc might find something? :-\ Concocting the death in jail story sounds feasible if William scooted off to AUstralia. "Writing him off" so to speak.
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Hi the Frederica Haddon birth is June qtr 1908 Birkenhead 8a 600 (Poulton cum Seacombe is a civil parish within the Birkenhead (Cheshire) registration district)
Keyboard86
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Frederica Haddon?? Now you have got me so very confused :D
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Hi Cal
There a Few Other Landy Family In the same Grave as Bertha
Regards
Iria
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I have a feeling she maybe the Margaret Landy in the 1911 census (I will invest in some credits and take a look).
Cal I can only see two Margaret Landys in the 1911 census and neither of them look like your Maisie .... :-\
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Frederica Haddon?? Now you have got me so very confused :D
Frederica Haddon born Seacombe (registered Birkenhead Cheshire June 1/4 1908) was visiting Bertha C and her son Harold in 1911.
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Just to add into the mix there is a William E Hagland marrying an Edith A Parrott in Nottingham March Qtr 1928. I am wondering if the family rumour he was in jail for fraud may have meant he was a bigamist??
Maybe the slip of a 'g' from Hagland for a 'd' in Hadland in the marriage in 1929 was intentional (I suppose I will have to wait for the certificate!!!) :-\
Does anyone know of any press releases about this??
Cal 8)
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I am now in touch with Maisie's granddaughter and she has confirmed that the death of Maisie in 1966 is right died aged 57.
She only knew her as Maisie though. I am favouring the birth of a Florence May 1909 as her but this is just a guess just now ... but there is a Lily Margaret born in Birkenhead 1910 which is also a possible ...
Cal 8)
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Hi
The only reliable starting point is a copy of one of her marriage certs which has been advised from the outset in view of the problems with her christian name.
If she was born in wedlock - it will show her fathers name and occupation. As she was born in 1909 - that should enable you to look for her on the 1911 census
If you are lucky - one of the witnesses may be a sibling which will help further
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Hi CaroleW
I have sent off for both of her marriages just awaiting there arrival I suspect they are snaggled up in the Xmas post ;)
I am so sure she was not Bertha's child and I am pretty sure she wasn't born named Maisie .... that is why I am thinking Florence May
I am thinking this as so many of my family back then adopted names that weren't their birth names .. researching them has been challenge to say the least
Cal 8)
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It would seem that Maisie may have been born as Frederica Haddon (the child that was pointed out on this thread thank you :) ).. her mother was Kitty Haddon. No father was noted on the birth certificate.
Now trying to find who Kitty was? Trying to connect the Landy family to the Haddon's and to why Bertha Landy took on Frederica/ Maisie in her late 40s as her own child?? There must have been some family connection...
I have seen a Kathleen(could be Kitty) Haddon married in 1909 .. the scan is not great so has 8a 1002 and 8a 1092 as 4 possible marriages for her.
Cal 8)
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So glad things are starting to work out on this one! :D
Is there an address on the birth certificate for Frederica Haddon?
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Hi Barbara.H
Yes things are coming together thanks to loads of help here :)
The address on the Birth Cert was 67 Walsingham Road Birkenhead which fits with the Seacombe reference in 1911
Cal 8)