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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: spaarks on Monday 03 December 12 17:13 GMT (UK)
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I am seeking information on the ancestors of my Grandma and Granda.
Juneta Helen Stevens McCay, born abt 1873, died 4 Jun 1918.
Married James Hart Thompson 1897.
There is some anectdotal evidence that her father was captain of the sailing ship Annie Wark which foundered in a storm off Leghorn (Livorno) but I can find no such ship in the records.
James hart Thompson b.1871 d.1961, Presbyterian. From hand-written records by daughter Daisy, his parents were Robert Thompson b.abt 1885 d.4Mar1895 and Mary Jane Kerr b.10Oct1850 d.30Jul1886.
There is a Hart Kerr and Christine McElhinney, but I am not sure where they fit in. Hart could have been Mary Jane's sister.
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"There is a Hart Kerr and Christine McElhinney, but I am not sure where they fit in. Hart could have been Mary Jane's sister."
Hart Kerr is most likely male rather than female. This might sort out some of the connection-
Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Hart Kerr late of Linenhall-street City of Londonderry Baker who died 20 June 1864 at Furland Point were granted at Londonderry to Mary M'Elhinney of Linenhall-street Londonderry Spinster the Curatrix of Minor Grandchildren. Effects £94.
Death registration: Hart Kerr, age 47, 1864 Londonderry registration district, volume 7 page 181.
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Hi,
Sept 1896 James H. Thompson married Nellie H. S. McCay in Great James Street Presbyterian Church, Londonderry City.
Regards
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Hi,
July 1870 Robert Thompson married Mary Jane Kerr in Londonderry First Presbyterian Church. I can find the births of some male children but no females.
Regards
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Hart Kerr, son of Charles Kerr, married 14 Dec.1849 Templemore. Londonderry (page 318 in civil register) Christian Mc Elhiney, daughter of James Mc Elhiney.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGNR-2B7
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Hi,
The Hart Kerr marriage mentioned above took place in St. Columbs Church of Ireland and another source gives the bride's name as Christina. There also appears to have been an earlier marriage of Hart Kerr to Rachel Lynch, a widow whose maiden name was Greenshields, also in St. Columbs in June 1845.
Regards
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Many thanks to you all.
I got a bit confused - I meant to say Christina (not Hart) may have been the sister of Mary McElhinney.
"Sept 1896 James H. Thompson married Nellie H. S. McCay in Great James Street Presbyterian Church, Londonderry City"
Just wondering about the first name "Nellie". In the census records she is J. Helen Stevens, and Daisy's notes show her as Juneta.
Can we draw any conclusions from " Mary M'Elhinney, Spinster the Curatrix of Minor Grandchildren? I suppose Mary was a sister of Christina.
As for Robert Thompson and Mary Jane Kerr, attached is the handwritten note by Aunt Daisy (Thompson).
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Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Robert Thompson late of Linenhall-street City of Londonderry Writing Clerk who died 1 March 1890 at same place were granted at Londonderry to Mary M'Elhinney of Linenhall-street Londonderry Spinster the Curatrix of James Thompson Stewart Thompson and Christina Thompson the minor Children. Granted 10 May 1890. Effects £260
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1901 census 12 College Terrace L'Derry shows James Hart Thompson as Commercial Shipping Agent. Both he and his wife born Derry city.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000623605/
1911 same address - James Hart Thompson Cashier Shipping Office
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002838622/
J Helen Stevens McCay was daughter of James McCay
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Hi,
"Nellie"- it does seem rather odd but this is what is recorded in the Civil registrars documents for Londonderry. See http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sgh/
Regards
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Nellie is a nickname for Helen :)
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Probate of the Will of Mary M'Elhinney late of Elmwood-terrace Londonderry Spinster who died 17 March 1900 granted at Londonderry to James Hart Thompson Commercial Clerk. Granted 29 May 1900. Effects £1,179 14s. 8d.
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Death registered LD in 1918: Juanita H S Thompson, age 45, Apr - Jun 1918, volume 2 page 139
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(male) Thompson born 12 Sept.1871 Londonderry- parents Robert Thompson & Mary Jane Kerr
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPRB-3VW
(male) Thompson born 20 Oct.1874 Derry- parents Robert Thompson & Mary Jane Kerr
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPMZ-8LT
Stewert Thompson born 16 May 1876 Londonderry- parents Robert Thompson & Mary Jane Carr
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPTZ-XBH
John Thompson born 21 Dec.1880 Londonderry- parents Robert Thompson & Mary Jane Kerr
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPTH-RM9
Note: Kerr & Carr are variations of the same surname
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Hello,
I have been researching your family for a number of years. I am a cousin to James Hart Thompson and your family. His brother, Stewart, left Ireland in 1907 for NY and lived in Kentucky the rest of his life. Stewart is a cousin of our family and visited our family in Iowa in 1908. My great grandfather is John Y Thompson born Londonderry about 1832-34, emigrated about 1853 and died in Iowa in 1888. We have been trying to find his Irish family by tracing Stewart back to a common ancestor. Through that search we found James Hart's and Stewart's (and their sister, Christina's) father, Robert. Robert's marriage record for his 1870 marriage to Mary Jane Hart at First Derry Presbyterian lists Robert's father as James. We think Robert had a brother, John Alexander (born abt 1856), who married and lived in Co. Monaghan. I would be happy to share everything we found about your family. Maybe you will have some clues about our John Y Thompson, who I think is James (Robert's father's) son or brother. I just joined RootsChat today so I could make contact with you after I stumbled across your postings on the internet. I would be happy to give you my direct email if that will facilitate sharing information.
Fred Thompson
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Welcome to Rootschat, Fred. You aren't allowed to post persoanl details such as email addresses but once you've made 3 posts you will be able to use the PM (Personal Message) system to exchange such details.
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The following sent by Phyllis Callan of Derry City Cemetery. Note: some parental listings are incorrect (Robert and James Hart). Apparently, info provided by undertakers and accuracy is variable.
Site: EA 277
Proprietor: Robert Thompson – 5 Linenhall Street, Derry
1) Christina Thompson – Linenhall Street, Derry, Died 30/12/1872 Age 7 weeks. Parents: Robert and Mary Jane Thompson
2) Robert Thompson – Linenall St, Derry. Died 18/2/1877 Aged 2 Years and 4 months. Parents: Robert and Mary Jane Thompson.
3) John Thompson – 5 Linenhall Street, Derry. Died 6/3/1881 Age 10 weeks. Parents: Robert and Mary Jane Thompson.
4) No Name Thompson – Linenhall Street, Derry. Died 6/3/1881 – Age 8 Days – Female. Parents: Robert and Mary Jane Thompson.
5) Mary Jane Thompson – 5 Linenhall Street, Derry. Died 28/7/1886 Age 35 years. Parents: Hart and Elizabeth Kerr.
6) Robert Thompson – 5 Linenhall Street, Derry, Place of Birth Enagh. Died 2/3/1890 Age 40 years. Parents – Lucas Thompson.
7) Mary McElhinney – 39 Elmwood Terrace Derry. Died 17/3/1900 Aged 81 years. Parents James and Christine McElhinney.
8) Helen S Thompson – 12 College Tce, Derry. Died 2/6/1918. Age 45. Parents James and Margaret McCay.
9) James Hart Thompson, 12 College Tce, Derry. Died 4/3/1961. Aged 90 years. Parents James and Mary Thompson.
10) Daisy Thompson – Templemoyle Nursing Home. Died 7/4/1995 Aged 86. Parents unknown.
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James Hart's and Stewart's sister, Christina, was born in 1878. She married Arthur Kerr at Great Street Presbyterian Church in 1902. Stewart and Christina lived at 13 Lonemoor Rd in 1901 (see census). Arthur was in the R.I.C. and posted to Belfast. They lived at 9 Harrow St., in the city in 1911. When we visited that street in June this year, the cab driver told us the original home was still standing. One of their children was Stewart Thompson Kerr. Arthur died 27 Jan 1940. See PRONI Will Calendars.
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Many thanks to all contributing to this thread, it has filled several spaces in my PAF file.
I never knew Nellie was short for Helen, but my sister Helen reluctantly confirms it!
The cemetery records are great and mostly confirm my aunt Daisy's notes, though the dates are off by a couple of days.
Some inconsistencies I need to look at though:
The children of Robert Thompson and Mary J Kerr.
The Cemetery has Christina - died at 7 weeks. Aunt Daisy has the name as Christiasian, an odd name for sure but Daisy was quite a meticulous person. If it was indeed Christina that clashes with the Christina who married Arthur Kerr.
Of the three Roberts, who is Mary Jane's husband? - because i have him as born 1855 and died 4th March 1895.
My head is spinning!!
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Of the three Roberts, who is Mary Jane's husband? - because i have him as born 1855 and died 4th March 1895.
My head is spinning!!
Daisy's notes states Roberts death as 4 March 1890
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Some inconsistencies I need to look at though:
The children of Robert Thompson and Mary J Kerr.
The Cemetery has Christina - died at 7 weeks. Aunt Daisy has the name as Christiasian, an odd name for sure but Daisy was quite a meticulous person. If it was indeed Christina that clashes with the Christina who married Arthur Kerr.
The page you posted (reply #6) looks as though it might have been copied from a family Bible or some such document and 'Aunt Daisy' has probably written the name as it appeared in the source she saw.
1) Christina Thompson – Linenhall Street, Derry, Died 30/12/1872 Age 7 weeks. Parents: Robert and Mary Jane Thompson
James Hart's and Stewart's sister, Christina, was born in 1878.
If Christina (Thompson) Kerr was a daughter of Robert & Mary Jane then she could have been named after a sibling who died in 1872 but I thought from what was posted that Christina (Thompson) Kerr was a daughter of James and Mary Thompson?
9) James Hart Thompson, 12 College Tce, Derry. Died 4/3/1961. Aged 90 years. Parents James and Mary Thompson.