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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: J Hannan on Friday 30 November 12 01:45 GMT (UK)
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My 5th Great Grandfather John Hall died in a location called "Horseridge Scotland" Apr 1783.
He was a joiner and travel from farm to farm. He worked mainly in Northumberland.
In Northumberland they have Farm name index, which also listed the closest township and parish.
Does anyone know of such an index, or the location "Horseridge Scotland".
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The place name does not show up on Genuki nor on the Ordnance Survey gazetteer. However some farms have simply disappeared over the years. Perhaps it's best to go back to the source of this information and work from there?
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There must be a chance that this is around Horserigg near Mindrum. It's virtually on the border. There must have been room for error there?
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Welcome to rootschat J Hannan.
You can sometimes find farm names on old maps. There are some excellent ones here:
http://maps.nls.uk/
I might be missing something here, but what county is "Horseridge" in?
Do you know where he is buried?
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My 5th Great Grandfather John Hall died in a location called "Horseridge Scotland" Apr 1783.
He was a joiner and travel from farm to farm. He worked mainly in Northumberland.
In Northumberland they have Farm name index, which also listed the closest township and parish.
Does anyone know of such an index, or the location "Horseridge Scotland".
He was buried in Carham. I am unaware of Horserigg near Mindrum, as you said it is on the border. Can you give me any information on this Horserigg near Mindrum?
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hi hoping not to complicate things but there is a Houndridge farm across the Tweed from Carham.
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My 5th Great Grandfather John Hall died in a location called "Horseridge Scotland" Apr 1783.
He was a joiner and travel from farm to farm. He worked mainly in Northumberland.
In Northumberland they have Farm name index, which also listed the closest township and parish.
Does anyone know of such an index, or the location "Horseridge Scotland".
He was buried in Carham. I am unaware of Horserigg near Mindrum, as you said it is on the border. Can you give me any information on this Horserigg near Mindrum?
I will check out Houndridge farm, with my orginal source. Thank you for the tip.
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Page 39 of this document
http://www.dpea.scotland.gov.uk/Documents/qJ12843/A2359757.pdf
17 Upland Fringe Ridges 17a Horse Rigg
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OS map ref for Horse Rigg is NT827337. Can you tell us the source of your information on date of death etc?
Imber
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Horseridge from the Carham burials in the Parish Register of St Cuthberts church. It stated that he died in Horseridge, North Britain which was the name for Scotland a the time. As Carham is officially an English village the farm would be classed as in England, but if the farm was in the north of the Parish it could actually have been in Scotland.
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http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2775963
http://www.geolocation.ws/v/E/2901702/lane-horse-rig/en
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hi it certainly looks like horseridge to me however think you hav typed date in wrong. date should read as april 23rd 1793.
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You are correct it is 1793. I get so excited when I can find someone that can help me that I tend to mess up.
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http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2775963
http://www.geolocation.ws/v/E/2901702/lane-horse-rig/en
Thanks for the pictures of Horse Rigg.
I found this reference to Horse Ridge:
COLDSMOUTH AND THOMPSON'S WALLS TOWNSHIP.
The origin of this modern township^ is very obscure. Possibly it was
a conglomeration of various small vills clustered round the north side of
Cheviot of which the traces have been lost in modern times.
Thompson's Walls, formerly Antechester. — In a survey of the
barony of Wark in Oueen Elizabeth's day there is an allusion to
' the parcell of ground commonlie called Thompson's Walls, or Antechester,
a member of Kilham, h'ing between Kilham and Shotton,'* but Mr. Bates
in his Border Holds attributes quite another site to Antechester, placing
it on the high ground to the west of Mindrum between the range of Horse
Ridge and the Camp Hill, being led to do so by various maps of North-
umberland dating from the later eighteenth and earlier nineteenth centuries.^
To place it so far north and across Bowmont water is quite inadmissible
in view of an allusion to ' Chester' in a 1223 boundary delimitation of Trollop,
which on one side touched the College,^ and of its association with Kilham
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hey sometimes before i write todays date have too think what century i,m in. Will go on the hunt tomorrow if the weather here allows, first snow tonite. :)
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So Horse Rigg and Horseridge appear to be one and the same place. In this context Rig and Ridge mean the same thing. If the place of death was reported to someone verbally it probably could have been written either way. At that point in time the term "North Britain" was sometimes taken to include the far north of England.
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Just to throw another in the works, Drumchapel translates from the Gaelic "druim" and "capall",
"Horse Ridge".
Regards
Malky
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That is very informative, but Glasgow is not on the Border, so I would have to rule that out.
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"Horse Rigg" is on the map.
Ng ref :- NT829338
England
OS One Inch, 1945 - 47
Historic overlay, at
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore
Regards
Malky
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Horseridge from the Carham burials in the Parish Register of St Cuthberts church. It stated that he died in Horseridge, North Britain which was the name for Scotland a the time. As Carham is officially an English village the farm would be classed as in England, but if the farm was in the north of the Parish it could actually have been in Scotland.
North Britain often referred to Scotland AND the Northern counties of England in the 18th & 19thCs. For example: the North British Academy of Arts which existed from 1908 to 1924 was in Newcastle-upon-Tyne.
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North Britain which was the name for Scotland a the time.
'North Britain' which was used by a certain stratum of society intent on obliterating the identity of Scotland. Notice that they never used 'South Britain' for the other part of the island. Nowadays a seriously non-PC usage.
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North Britain which was the name for Scotland a the time.
'North Britain' which was used by a certain stratum of society intent on obliterating the identity of Scotland. Notice that they never used 'South Britain' for the other part of the island.
I have a map on my wall of "The direct and Principal Roads of South Britain". The same map shows part of Scotland and calls it "Part of Scotland". :)
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I stand corrected; but the generalisation holds ;)
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I stand corrected; but the generalisation holds ;)
:)
The map is old - possibly 1730s/1740s ....