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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: kglm on Thursday 29 November 12 06:57 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to identify the wfe of Andrew Dowie - her name, date/place of mariage, and her death.
Andrew Dowie was born Edinburgh 1773. Appenticed as a printer. Enlisted 42nd Regiment 1792, served overseas in Flanders, Mediteranean, Egypt, 1793-1802. Returned home 1802. Reenlisted 21st Regiment 1803, then served Ireland 1803-5, back to England 1805-1806, then to Italy 1806-1814, to America 1814-1815, West Indies 1815, then back home 1815 and discharged, then resumed his trade as a printer. Died Glasgow 1848. They had 14 children according to a newspaper biogaphy in 1845, his wife accompanying him on his army travels.
I am a descendent of their son Andrew (jnr) born Sicily 1812.
I have never been able to identify his wife and when/where married.
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Hi ,
Do you have Andrew on the 1841 Census ?
FreeCEN has an Andrew Dowie age 65 printer journeyman , Edinburgh , in 1841.
(Although it states he was born outside Census County)
ev
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Hi
Think I was typing this as ev posted.
In 1841, he is in Edinburgh, living with:
Janet Dowie, shoebinder, aged 30 (-34), b Scotland
Jean Dowie, shoebinder, aged 20 (-24), b. Scotland England (see my next post)
Margret Dowie, shoebinder, aged 15 (-19), b. Midlothian
Janet Gunn, aged 2 months, b. Midlothian
Whether Janet is his wife (maybe 2nd, given age) is not clear as no relationships are given on the 1841 census.
There is a baptism ( 6th March 1824)in St Cuthbert, Edinburgh, for a Margaret Dowie, daughter of Andrew Dowie, printer, and Janet Gillespie, his spouse.
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What a full military life Andrew Dowie had :)
There is this, from google books, which is a futher summary of what you included in your first post, kglm - www.rootschat.com/links/0se2/ In this link, it mentions his wife (his faithfull companion "in arms")....still survives.
Monica
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Hi Again
I've been looking at the 1841 entry and find that Jean (20-24) was born outwith Scotland, so an error in my transcription - sorry :-[
It looks like an E (England) but can't quite decide. I've attached a snip.
brevitas
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Brevitas, with what you have found regarding possible name for wife of Janet Gillespie...
She showed as still alive in 1845 with that mention linked above...and there is a death/burial which might fit in Glasgow for her on 19 Nov. 1846, except this shows as 66 yr old Janet Dowie or Logan. So, not sure now.
Monica
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You just caught me before I left - there's also a death for a Janet Dowie, aged 67 in St Cuthbert, Edinburgh in April 1854 :-\
Wonder if there are any MIs - no will for him though :(
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Quite a few trees around for an Andrew Livingstone Dowie which fit the son b. Sicily. Died Portsmouth 1891
Spouse given as Elizabeth Roberts. Married Portsmouth 1850
The trees record a sister, Ann (1816-1884), born Holland and died Portsmouth. Will - Probate April 1884, Winchester.
I wonder if the family moved South after Andrew snr's death :-\
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Yes, Ann (born Holland) and her husband George Loutten (various spellings) living with Andrew Dowie (born Sicily) in 1881 Portsea census according to A/try transcription - Andrew's relationship to head of household described as 'brother in law' ...
Although ... ?red herring as 1838 marriage between Ann Roberts (?maiden name) and George Loatten, Alverstoke Hants
1841 Portsea census (transcriptions from A/try) Ann and George Loughton, both 25, living with Ann Roberts, aged 55
1851 Portsea census, Ann (born France) and George Lonker (A/try transcription), both 35, living with Ann Roberts, aged 65, mother in law
1861 Portsea census, Ann (born France) and George Loutten
1871 Portsea census, Ann (born France) and George Loutten
Ann died 1884 Portsea
One tree on A/try has Ann Roberts, daughter of Edward Roberts and Ann Hunt ... no mention of a Dowie so perhaps a red herring that this Ann was a daughter of Andrew Dowie (d. 1848) ... more likely Ann was a sister of Elizabeth Roberts than the Dowies
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A possible son -
1851
HO107/1660/470/12
Royal Naval Hospital, Haslar, Alverstoke, Hampshire
William, Dowie, unm 23, Gunner Royal Artillery, b. Midlothian, Scotland
No baptism found for him though. So, the only lead so far is the baptism of Margret/Margaret with mother Janet Gillespie :-\
There is a birth record for a Jane Dowey in the GRO Regimental Births (vol RA 29) but no date or place, thus no way of knowing if she was connected :(
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A lot of children to search for - 14 (alive or deceased)!
I think the main concrete piece of info so far is the one you found, Brevitas, the birth and christening of Margaret in Edinburgh in 1824. From that you say that Andrew Dowie shows as a printer which is great. Mother's details confirmed from there.
With these names, I notice there is an Agnes showing to parents with these names in Ayrshire in 1805 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYCG-YLQ
Monica
PS: You likely have seen this, kglm, but just in case, www.dnw.co.uk/medals/auctionarchive/searchcataloguearchive/itemdetail.lasso?itemid=68078
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Just putting this forward as a possible baptism for Andrew. It might help with any naming pattern -
St Cuthbert's 2 Oct 1773 Andrew Dowie son of James Dowie and Mary Livingston*
* this would fit with the middle name of son Andrew.
Baptism entry shows James Dowie as a Mason in Toll Cross. Witnesses - David Dowie, Brewer 's Servant, Grassmarcat and Alexr Dowie, Mason, Crosscausway
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Monica, the Agnes that you found in 1805 has Andrew as ' Corprell in 21st Regt of Foot' :)
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Jane Dowie m. William Chadwick 13 July 1845, Edinburgh . Father was Andrew Dowie. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYM2-2LY
Entry Reads:
Edinburgh 14th July 1845 Proclaimed 13th July 1845
William Chadwick, miner, residing 8 Scotts Close, Old Greyfriars Parish, and Jane Dowie, residing in same Place and Parish, Daughter of Andrew Dowie, sometime Printer have been proclaimed in order to Marriage in the Parish Church of Old Greyfriars.
If we can find more on this Jane - death in Scotland, then we could get more evidence of Andrew's wife/Jane's mother.
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Thank you all for the information so far. It is all very interesting and it is nice to now know so much about his life in the army. His own description of his part in the Battle of Alexandria, which I was not aware of, is fascinating.
I live in New Zealand, and it is good to know about my Scottish ancestry.
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Hi kglm
So you hadn't seen that info from the link on the medals? That is great that you have it now :) I too found it interesting to read.
He certainly does seem to have lived through a very important period of military history and was certainly recognised as being a veteran of this period.
I think Brevitas has very likely found details of Andrew's wife, and your Andrew's mother. I also think Brevitas has very probably found details of Andrew Snr.'s birth and parents, with the Livingston name link to your Andrew....so lots of new info there for you hopefully from all of that.
Not sure now how many children we have found so far of the fourteen, but at least a few!
Monica
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kglm, some time later! I have been researching the career of this veteran soldier and came upon this thread. If you are still interested, there are more details I can let you know. Nothing on his descendants, I am afraid.