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Title: Help dating photo please
Post by: anubis145 on Tuesday 27 November 12 04:04 GMT (UK)
This photo is reputedly of an ancestor born in 1865.  Would that ring true given the style of clothing and any guesses as to a likely date?
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: chinakay on Tuesday 27 November 12 05:07 GMT (UK)
Need to see all of it including the back, please.

Cheers,
China
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 27 November 12 05:09 GMT (UK)
Glad you are here China!!

 - my immediate though was someone dressed up like someone from Jane Austen!   ;)  That lovely poke bonnet!   How far off the mark am I?
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: anubis145 on Tuesday 27 November 12 05:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks China (you have helped me before). That is all I have but I have emailed my relative to see whether he has the original and will get back to you asap.
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: chinakay on Tuesday 27 November 12 05:53 GMT (UK)
I think the hair is wrong for the real Jane Austen :)

I'll be watching, anubis :)
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 27 November 12 06:13 GMT (UK)
That's why I was wondering if it was a dress-up job!!

 - When did they wear those bonnets - that woman looks about 40-50 maybe but I can't see any bonnets like that in the 1890-1900s -  :-\ :-\   

Can see some in Aus. in the 1850s   :-\  Different hair styles though.   :)  (And the photo doesn't look that age!) 

Wiggy   ;)
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: chinakay on Tuesday 27 November 12 06:38 GMT (UK)
No it doesn't...something off here I think :P
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: anubis145 on Tuesday 27 November 12 07:54 GMT (UK)
Sorry China, the photo is a laminated copy of the original and the person from whom it was obtained is dead. The Jane Austen references are a bit of a hoot but I don't think the family was of the type that would be involved in fancy dress things. Then again, who knows?
The photo is from Australia but surely you aren't all (not you China) suggesting that we poor colonials were that far behind the then prevailing fashions!
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 27 November 12 08:14 GMT (UK)
Being a 'poor colonial' myself  - definitely not!!    ;D ;D
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: old rowley on Tuesday 27 November 12 09:30 GMT (UK)
The head gear is not so strange when you start thinking that she could have been part of Gen. Booth's army of salvationists. The Salvation Army brought in straw bonnets for the women in the 1880's as part of the new uniform that was being introduced at that time.

OR.
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: Pels. on Tuesday 27 November 12 10:06 GMT (UK)



The head gear is not so strange when you start thinking that she could have been part of Gen. Booth's army of salvationists. The Salvation Army brought in straw bonnets for the women in the 1880's as part of the new uniform that was being introduced at that time.

OR.


Yet again, you've hit the nail right on the head, or in this case - right on the bonnet, OR !  :-X :-X

Sorry - that remark was rubbish !  ;D ;D

I'm sure I can remember during my lifetime seeing a bonnet worn similar to the one here - would that be possible - or have I remembered it from seeing early photographs of the Salvation Army ?

Pels.
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: jc26red on Tuesday 27 November 12 10:14 GMT (UK)
Think its salvation army

also the hair (what we can see of it) is a loose pompador style which I believe was in fashion c1910-ish, making the lady around 45.  She may be a little older if she kept the style for some years.
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: anubis145 on Tuesday 27 November 12 10:15 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your comment OR. The bonnet worried me because it reminded me of something, which I just couldn't put my finger on and seemed to be from an earlier period than when I believe the photo would have been taken. The Jane Austen thing completely passed me by but I can see the resemblance to the Sally uniform and it is certainly worth investigating.
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 27 November 12 10:20 GMT (UK)
Of course - knew I'd seen something similar - that's where it is - complete with big bow under the ear!    :)   

Well spotted, OR!!

Wiggy 
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: old rowley on Tuesday 27 November 12 10:27 GMT (UK)
Take a butchers at the first image of the link provided to see a similar hat style. Also the link may help for further research on this aspect of her life if the subject did indeed serve in the Sally's

http://www1.salvationarmy.org/heritage.nsf/36c107e27b0ba7a98025692e0032abaa/4c3fc447c2a9d1fd802568cd0036e695!OpenDocument

OR.
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: anubis145 on Tuesday 27 November 12 10:31 GMT (UK)
A big thank you to everyone who replied. I've been browsing websites with photos of the Sallies uniforms and it certainly seems to be spot on.
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: chinakay on Tuesday 27 November 12 16:03 GMT (UK)
Aha....OR to the rescue ;D

It was the hair that bothered me...too modern to match the bonnet style. Should have spotted the SA look as we have had the occasional one on here.

Have a look at this page...scroll down about halfway and there's a thumbnail on the right that has just the right bonnet, I think.

http://livinglifeexamining.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/%E2%80%9Cargumentum-ad-antiquitatem%E2%80%9D-and-finding-the-essentials-of-the-salvation-army/

Cheers,
China
Title: Re: Help dating photo please
Post by: chinakay on Tuesday 27 November 12 16:11 GMT (UK)
And anubis, Oz and the rest of the colonies were right up to the minute in ladies' fashions. Magazines with sketches of the latest styles were shipped out regularly, bought in huge numbers by the local lasses and copied by their dressmakers. In just a few days, plus shipping time, a housewife in Sydney could be as stylish as one in London.

Might take a bit longer to get to Alice, though :)

Cheers,
China