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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: zylar22 on Friday 23 November 12 01:53 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I have been researching by Great Great Grandfather for a while now but have been unable to determine his birth date, or who his parents were and when he arrived in NZ.
He seems to mainly go by Harry Wilson but he is also known, it seems, as Henry Pilkington Wilson.
He married Emily Mary Armstrong on 22 Jan 1876 in Havelock, NZ. The marriage certificate does not contain his parents names and only states his place of birth as Liverpool, England.
They had many children here in New Zealand and I have been in touch with another descendent and they have been unable to figure out his birth date, who is parents were or when he arrived either.
He was a Carpenter/Joiner. He also went bankrupt and I have recently viewed those files thanks to Spades, but no birth date.
He either divorced or separated from his wife and ended up dying in the Hawke's Bay in a house fire in 1916. I have not sourced his death certificate, as it is unlikely to contain much information, as I have been told that as he aged he became more reclusive and who ever would have filled out the certificate would not likely to be privy to his birth date or parents names. There was a mention of the House Fire in Paper's Past which stated he was 80 when he died, but I am unsure how accurate this is likely to be.
He had several mentions in the Marlborough Express (Paper's Past), as that seems to be the area of NZ where he spent most of his life, but they have not given me any clues.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Zylar22
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Hello,
It may seem a bit expensive but it could be worthwhile obtaining some of the children's birth printouts. The age of the father will be shown and you could find a little more than just "Liverpool". It would be of interest also to see which Christian names were used at the various registrations.
Minniehaha.
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I can only seem to find this death entry
1916/7318 Wilson Henry Rikington 81Y
with an exact date of 19/10/1916
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Sorry, you probably have this, but posting just in case:
Cemetery database entry
Family name Wilson
Age 80 years
Given names Henry P
Date deceased 18/10/1916
Gender Male
Occupation Retired
Cemetery Takapau
Plot 752
Grave/Ashes Grave
Depth Standard
Plot Size 2300 x 750mm
Headstone Reference No Headstone
Apparently there is supposed to be an image but it is not linked/loading.
So that means he was buried the day before he died????
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I see the Paperpast article confirms his death as Wednesday 18 October 1916.
He is listed as Harry Pilkington Wilson in 1914, in the electoral roll for Waipawa, Hawkes Bay. Haven't been able to find him elsewhere prior so far. (If the first point of registration could be found then that may give us a clue to which port he may have arrived in?)
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Might there be something in the Police Gazettes? http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sbc/
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your suggestions. I will request my Great Grandma's birth certificate and see if it contains his age and potentially his birth date. I had located his cemetery database entry, but thanks for listing it just in case. The earliest Electoral Entry I have been able to find for him is 1880-1881 - Marlborough - Wairau - where he is listed as a Carpenter. I will check out the Police Gazettes as it seems he was in trouble with the law quite a few times. So that is a great suggestion.
Thanks Zylar22
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You should note that printouts are cheaper and can obtain more information than a certificate.
Minniehaha. :)
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He married Emily Mary Armstrong on 22 Jan 1876 in Havelock, NZ. The marriage certificate does not contain his parents names and only states his place of birth as Liverpool, England.
Hi zylar22
Just a bit curious about the marriage certificate you mention as it wasn't until the last quarter of 1881 that "place of birth" (and "parents names, father's occupation") began to be recorded on NZ Marriage certificates. ?? ;)
* Has the birthplace you have for Harry WILSON, come from some other source ?
~ Lu
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Hi,
The other descendent I mentioned obtained a copy of the Marriage Certificate and she told me that it mentioned Liverpool as his place of birth. It is interesting that it wasn't until the last quarter of 1881 that place of birth was recorded. The other descendent has always wondered if his birth in Liverpool was in fact correct.
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He either divorced or separated from his wife and ended up dying in the Hawke's Bay in a house fire in 1916.
I have not sourced his death certificate, as it is unlikely to contain much information, as I have been told that as he aged he became more reclusive and who ever would have filled out the certificate would not likely to be privy to his birth date or parents names.
Hi again
Re: The newspaper report - August 1886 - Emily Mary and Harry WILSON ... they seem to have reconciled after this date as there are births of another three children to this couple ?
It may still be worthwhile obtaining the printout of Harry (Henry) Pilkington WILSON's death ?
After all, somebody knew him well enough to inform authorities of his second name. ;)
[Incidentally, "Pilkington" (as a second name) doesn't appear on his marriage record - nor in the two marriage notices placed in newspapers, nor for any registrations of his children's births. ]
~ Lu
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Hi,
Thant is a very good point re his second name. I should request the death certificate just in case.
Thanks
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[Incidentally, "Pilkington" (as a second name) doesn't appear on his marriage record - nor in the two marriage notices placed in newspapers, nor for any registrations of his children's births. ]
~ Lu
What about this child?
1881/3562 Wilson Mabel Pilkington Emily Mary Harry
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There are later Pilkington Wilson's in Lancashire..maybe they are related and that would be worth following..is it your tree at ancestry..try asking a few of the other researchers..whether they have found the common thread tot he middle name..eg a mother or grandmothers surname
Bye
althea
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maybe a red herring its alater marriage
GEORGE WILSON Birth: 1840 - Lancashire, England
Marriage: 1865 - West Derby, Lancashire, England
Death: 22 Feb 1916 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Parents: Unknown Person, Alice Wilson
Spouse: Grace Pilkington
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[Incidentally, "Pilkington" (as a second name) doesn't appear on his marriage record - nor in the two marriage notices placed in newspapers, nor for any registrations of his children's births. ]
~ Lu
What about this child?
1881/3562 Wilson Mabel Pilkington Emily Mary Harry
Mmm ... I was actually referring to Harry's use of "Pilkington" as a middle name. :)
[Was aware that the child Mabel also bore the name. ]
~ Lu
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Hello...
Just following on from Althea with a possible relative from a later generation. Maybe a nephew. Maybe not :-)
Medal card of WILSON, Henry Pilkington
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D5936208
Researching a British WW1 soldier
http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/research/index.php/find-your-soldier
Regards
Beg
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There is a birth registration for a Henry Pilkington Wilson for the June quarter of 1893 in West Derby. (This registration district became part of Liverpool North in 1934).
Maybe this man is a relative from a later generation?
Minniehaha.
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I have a Henry Pilkington Hayward born about 1838 in Macclesfield, East Cheshire, Cumberland, England. He and three of his brothers (Frederick William Hayward, Charles Edwin Hayward, and Horatio James Hayward) migrated to Auckland, where they set up shop as furniture makers and coffin makers (and later undertakers ;D).
I can't find a Henry Pilkington Wilson in these lines, but if you look for Henry Pilkington Hayward's father John Hayward (born 22/2/1789 Turton, East Lanc, England, died 24/5/1855, Jesmond, Newcastle-on-tyne, England) married Margaret Williams (b.abt 1803-d.25/11/1854) you may find a 'Pilkington' surname somewhere. I'm guessing up the Margaret Williams line somewhere. This may then have started the ‘Henry Pilkington Wilson’ line.
Added later: This fits with the carpenter/joiner trade, and coincidentally CE Hayward and HP Hayward went bankrupt too! ::) ::)
Good luck!!
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He married Emily Mary Armstrong on 22 Jan 1876 in Havelock, NZ. The marriage certificate does not contain his parents names and only states his place of birth as Liverpool, England.
Hi zylar22
Just a bit curious about the marriage certificate you mention as it wasn't until the last quarter of 1881 1880 (from October) that "place of birth" (and "parents names, father's occupation") began to be recorded on NZ Marriage certificates. ?? ;)
** Correction **
Just adding a correction to my previous post ... year should have read 1880
~ Lu
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Hi Everyone,
Thanks for all your posts and suggestions. I will work through them today to see where they lead me.
Regards
Zylar22
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Hi All,
Thanks to TwiggyTree and Spades, I have now obtained the birth year of Harry (1840) and confirmed his birth place as Liverpool, England.
This information was contained in the Police Gazettes.
This is a big breakthrough and I hope it now leads me to who his parents were.
Will check our the 1841 census to see if I can figure anything out. But if anyone can help me figure out who his parents were, now that there is further information, that would be really appreciated.
Regards
Zylar22