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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: Tony Freeman on Wednesday 21 November 12 12:17 GMT (UK)
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My grandfather as born at 117 Barrackton, Cork in 1884.
His father was a Corporal in the 12 Regiment of Foot based at the nearby Victoria Garrison in Cork.
Whilst I have found several references to it being "off" Military Road, does the street still exist and can anyone locate it for me.
All help appreciated
Best regards, Tony
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seems to be a district in the north city just south of the Old Youghal Rd., based around a green area and consisting of several groups of terraces and 'villas'. Some of the streets still exist, possibly with the same basic houses..
It's shown on the c1890s OSI map
Barrackton (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,568309,572776,7,9)
The nearby post-office is now named Barrackton.
select the 'Street View Beta' option on the right to see the current layout..
S.
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Thank you so much for the information.
I thought it must be in that area but no clues from modern maps.
Just what I was looking for and how it has changed over the years.
Best regards, Tony :)
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Hi Tony sorry for coming so late to your post but I suspect with a number like 117 the actual address might have been old Youghal road itself rgds j
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Hi Tony sorry for coming so late to your post but I suspect with a number like 117 the actual address might have been old Youghal road itself rgds j
Thanks for the information.
I will have another look :-)
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On the 25" Historic across the road from Victoria Barracks is a Square of houses, each row has a name but written in the centre is Barrackton
Can't post a direct link
http://map.geohive.ie/mobile.html
Search for Mount Vernon Terrace
Use Base Information and Mapping
Choose the 25" Historic
Which if I'd read the thread more carefully is exactly what Shane said back in 2012 :-[ ;D
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Hi Tony, just to clarify, the area in the immediate vicinity of the "new barracks" was called Barrackton, it was an area not a street, Avenue or road, in my memory there was not one singular street or square that would have houses numbered over perhaps 50- 60 (but am open to correction as it is a childhood memory) however on the other hand Old Youghal Road or more correctly Youghal old Road started way to the east in the Mayfield district went through an area known as Dillon's Cross and then to the West became the main arterial road in Barrackton passing the entire South wall of the barracks and it's entrances. I have being doing some digging and it would appear that 117 should lie between Harringtons square and Dillons cross to the east of the barracks and on the south side of old youghal road, however on the digitised maps I've seen do not show the number 117, neither does a general search, there may have been some rebuilding in the immediate vicinity or it may be one of the properties that were burned down by the "Auxiliaries" ( Crown forces) on December 19/20 1920 during the burning of Cork, I will visit the area in the next fortnight and see if I can throw any light on the subject!. I am also amazed that your gfathers birth record doesn't give more info on the address, perhaps the street name was shortened or was "ditto as above" . If you could I would look back at this . I will check the 1901 census to see if 117 exists then cheers, J
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Just checked 1901 Cork North East ward, old Youghal Road, no house numbers showing between 111 and 135. Rgds J
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Interestingly, my Great Grandfather was also born in 117 Barrackton, just 9 years later.
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Hi Tony, just to clarify, the area in the immediate vicinity of the "new barracks" was called Barrackton, it was an area not a street, Avenue or road, in my memory there was not one singular street or square that would have houses numbered over perhaps 50- 60 (but am open to correction as it is a childhood memory) however on the other hand Old Youghal Road or more correctly Youghal old Road started way to the east in the Mayfield district went through an area known as Dillon's Cross and then to the West became the main arterial road in Barrackton passing the entire South wall of the barracks and it's entrances. I have being doing some digging and it would appear that 117 should lie between Harringtons square and Dillons cross to the east of the barracks and on the south side of old youghal road, however on the digitised maps I've seen do not show the number 117, neither does a general search, there may have been some rebuilding in the immediate vicinity or it may be one of the properties that were burned down by the "Auxiliaries" ( Crown forces) on December 19/20 1920 during the burning of Cork, I will visit the area in the next fortnight and see if I can throw any light on the subject!. I am also amazed that your gfathers birth record doesn't give more info on the address, perhaps the street name was shortened or was "ditto as above" . If you could I would look back at this. I will check the 1901 census to see if 117 exists then cheers, J
Both addresses on the Birth Certificate show the place of birth and the father's address as "117 Barrackton". The attached is the plan of the area circa 1890.
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Hi Tony, more investigating , a sister site of Cork City libraries is called corkpastandpresent.ie and on it I've found Guy's directory of Cork 1891 and on the street index it shows Barrackton page 258 below Mary ville cottages and Frankfield view Barrackton is numbered 114-130 and at 117 we have Mullis. C. Boot and Shoe maker. So 117 Barrackton existed, however on the corresponding Guys map Barrackton is shown on the roadway in front of the Barracks, and old youghal road to the east so I called yesterday afternoon to the area but the numbers start at 180 to the West of the main gate so no joy there the post office was just closed unfortunately but I called back today to visit, at Maryville cottages there is a gap and then more similar style cottages heading towards number 135 old Y road approach where I expected 117 old Y road to be, so to me it looks as if they were demolished before 1901. Undaunted i headed to the post office where a lovely postmistress (a lifetime resident and her parents and grandparents) told me she never heard of 117 she checked the electoral register etc. and showed me a map of Barrackton (from her family album ) late 1880s with Barrackton written in the same position as your map but none of the newer houses built. So my original thought Is that 117 is gone and has been replaced, so unfortunately no photos. However I have a friend in the city library local history section and will ask him to check for me when I next meet him. Cheers and Ciao, J
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post script. Just to add i checked the birth registers of another post showing 117 but the only thing of note was one of the births listed had the address shortened to low or lower road but only someone in Cork would know that this meant lower Glanmire road J
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Hi Tony, more investigating , a sister site of Cork City libraries is called corkpastandpresent.ie and on it I've found Guy's directory of Cork 1891 and on the street index it shows Barrackton page 258 below Mary ville cottages and Frankfield view Barrackton is numbered 114-130 and at 117 we have Mullis. C. Boot and Shoe maker. So 117 Barrackton existed, however on the corresponding Guys map Barrackton is shown on the roadway in front of the Barracks, and old youghal road to the east so I called yesterday afternoon to the area but the numbers start at 180 to the West of the main gate so no joy there the post office was just closed unfortunately but I called back today to visit, at Maryville cottages there is a gap and then more similar style cottages heading towards number 135 old Y road approach where I expected 117 old Y road to be, so to me it looks as if they were demolished before 1901. Undaunted i headed to the post office where a lovely postmistress (a lifetime resident and her parents and grandparents) told me she never heard of 117 she checked the electoral register etc. and showed me a map of Barrackton (from her family album ) late 1880s with Barrackton written in the same position as your map but none of the newer houses built. So my original thought Is that 117 is gone and has been replaced, so, unfortunately, no photos. However, I have a friend in the city library local history section and will ask him to check for me when I next meet him. Cheers and Ciao, J
Thanks for all your help.
You certainly have been busy over the past few days.
My grandfather was born in Cork as his father was in the Suffolk Regiment and was on the rest tour .... Jersey, Cork, Dublin, England and off to India for active service.
My grandfather eventually joined the same Regiment but decided he did not like all the walking, so joined the 5th Irish Lancers.
He also served in a similar way, having stop-overs in England, Scotland, Jersey and active service in India.
His son, my father was born in Dublin but he did not like military life following attending 14 schools and period of time in India.
The trip to India took 12 weeks by ship with families and 500 horses !
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My father, grandfather and my great grandfather all lived off the old youghal road, the house was demolished circa 1960 by the council as were many others in the area due to do called sewage problems (the place is on top of a hill??). So many of the local population were tied into the barracks both pre and post 1920, my grand father served with 2nd RMF and Connaught Rangers, in both Gallipoli where he was shot and after recuperating was sent to the Somme, he was shot again when he returned home after the war by the black and fans and again survived, my great grandmother's brother was killed in Aubers Ridge 1915, and his brother served twice in the Boer wars, grandmother's father was on tour in Cork with the Kings Royal Rifle Corps when he met my greatgrandmother they married but then were moved to Portsmouth he died in Hasler military hospital aged 23 from typhoid before my grandmother was born. He was from Hastings, but I traced some years ago his family back to 1691 in Kent. So I have a small idea of what happens in army families. Will be back in touch if and when my historian friend makes contact, unfortunately can't try to catch up with him in a pub. Rgds John
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Back again , dog with a bone syndrome, something was annoying me about this location why why why put a boot and shoe maker away from lots of customers? did i miss something, in my haste to look at guys directory for 117 I had just skipped over the other entries, so went back again then i saw 5 vintners and a hotel, grocers post office etc so why put them away from either outside the barracks or down at where the next large gathering would be i.e. Dillons Cross. then another thought hit me i was told the P.O had moved from the top NE corner of Military Road to its present position, but the maps show a hotel near this area, ;
so back to the directory, 120 Barrackton, Hotel ,grocers Post office etc owner MR Burke, one of the maps shows the hotel as the Garrison Hotel , with Post Office as part of a block beginning on the eastern corner of Military road extending on both sides of the corner, ok so next checked another directory 1884 and the owner of the Garrison hotel is a Mr. Burke, so the property showing immediatly prior to 120 is 117 does this mean that 117 faces the barracks but is just "on" old youghal road, but O Y R continues at the number 180 Nw corner of military road.
Another check here same directory Military road ;..... Cork barracks to Wellington road Richd Burke owner Garrison hotel , no numbers for hotel, numbering starts then with Number 1. If this makes sense then 117 was opposite main gate of barracks to the left, the site now part of Bellevue Court apartments.
I will still to get all this confirmed if possible but that's all for now rgds John
as an aside if your Ggrandfather birth document contains other births, you might note that just below his there is a birth of a daughter to the bootmaker Mr. Mullis living next door in 118.
(118 is the number given not 117)
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Garrison Hotel 1901 House and Building Return
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000512373/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/North_East_Ward/Old_Youghal_Road/1102347/
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Sinann, that's the answer Garrison Hotel at 120 Barrackton is 179 old youghal Road on the 1901 census meanwhile our bootmaker Mr Geo. Millis with his family including daughter Susan 16 y/o referred to in my previous postscript resides at 177 old youghal road which of course was originally 117 Barrackton, now Bellevue Court. Rgds John
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Thanks for all your help.
If I have understood all the research, it looks as if it has now been demolished and a new apartment block built on the site.
Tony F :-)
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Thanks for all your help.
If I have understood all the research, it looks as if it has now been demolished and a new apartment block built on the site.
Tony F :-)
Quite an ugly apartment block too 8)
You may have seen my earlier message on the thread about my Great Grandfather also being born in 117. What a coincidence.
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Tony, Sluggy,
I suggest you could look at the Irish census records for the property to get an idea of the living conditions at the time, if it's of interest,
incidentally in 1911 census, Mr Millis and his family have moved to another location.
The property was approx under the h a in old youghal road in the posted since removed map (if you can legally view).
As regards the hotel and the block etc, it was demolished and a cinema was built in 1919/20 called the Bellevue however that was short-lived and was turned into a dance hall i believe circa 1928, but this closed and the Cameo cinema opened 1964 but was closed circa 1990, was demolished and the present form built. I suspect that 117 (177) was demolished in the original build.
present day view available on google maps next door to Belle Vue bar 175.
Rgds John
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Here’s the area of Barrackton on the Historic Map 25 inch (1888-1913) from GeoHive.
https://bit.ly/3g372Qe
KG
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Here’s the area of Barrackton on the Historic Map 25 inch (1888-1913) from GeoHive.
https://bit.ly/3g372Qe
KG
How did you do that direct link KG.
I contacted GeoHive about not being able to do direct links as we could on the old MapViewer and they said they were working on it, that was ages ago and no joy yet.
What are you using, please?
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Here’s the area of Barrackton on the Historic Map 25 inch (1888-1913) from GeoHive.
https://bit.ly/3g372Qe
KG
How did you do that direct link KG.
I contacted GeoHive about not being able to do direct links as we could on the old MapViewer and they said they were working on it, that was ages ago and no joy yet.
What are you using, please?
Hi Sinann,
I discovered a way to create a link to a map on GeoHive, but it was forever loading without bringing up the map. I e-mailed them with my step-by-step procedure last Monday and asked if they could fix it. An employee from OSi, Business & Marketing e-mailed back with this quote:
“This item has now been resolved and you will now be able to view your webmap in GeoHive.”
Here’s how to do it:
• Open Geohive http://map.geohive.ie/mapviewer.html
• In Base Information & mapping (on left) choose your map
• Enter your place of search (in search box at top) let’s say Barrackton, click and then click on AN POST, Barrackton Post Office, 15 Military Road
• Up comes the map, adjust the size and remove the little box
• Click on ‘Share’ in top left, then click Disc icon (Save)
• A box comes up – Add title and description (anything!), then ‘Save Map’
• Gives link to webmap, right click it and copy address
• https://bit.ly/2OVuqTQ
KG
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Cork Constitution, 12 Feb 1884
The paper carries an advert offering gardening services and the contact address is
"Address - J.M.C, 117 Barrackton, opposite the Barrack Gate"
Geohive maps - a superb resource.
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Here’s the area of Barrackton on the Historic Map 25 inch (1888-1913) from GeoHive.
https://bit.ly/3g372Qe
KG
How did you do that direct link KG.
I contacted GeoHive about not being able to do direct links as we could on the old MapViewer and they said they were working on it, that was ages ago and no joy yet.
What are you using, please?
Hi Sinann,
I discovered a way to create a link to a map on GeoHive, but it was forever loading without bringing up the map. I e-mailed them with my step-by-step procedure last Monday and asked if they could fix it. An employee from OSi, Business & Marketing e-mailed back with this quote:
“This item has now been resolved and you will now be able to view your webmap in GeoHive.”
Here’s how to do it:
• Open Geohive http://map.geohive.ie/mapviewer.html
• In Base Information & mapping (on left) choose your map
• Enter your place of search (in search box at top) let’s say Barrackton, click and then click on AN POST, Barrackton Post Office, 15 Military Road
• Up comes the map, adjust the size and remove the little box
• Click on ‘Share’ in top left, then click Disc icon (Save)
• A box comes up – Add title and description (anything!), then ‘Save Map’
• Gives link to webmap, right click it and copy address
• https://bit.ly/2OVuqTQ
KG
Test
https://bit.ly/3hBHNVF
Yahooooooooooo :D :D :D
Thank you so much, that will make life a lot easier, no more having to give all those long instructions on how to find the right spot.
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Brilliant, Sinann ;D
Keep throwing up the maps! 8)
KG
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Hello
What a coincidence my x3great Aunt gave birth to a Mary Hannan in 118 Barrackton in july 1883
My grandfather as born at 117 Barrackton, Cork in 1884.
His father was a Corporal in the 12 Regiment of Foot based at the nearby Victoria Garrison in Cork.
Whilst I have found several references to it being "off" Military Road, does the street still exist and can anyone locate it for me.
All help appreciated
Best regards, Tony
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The very helpful postmistress in Barrackton has retired:
https://www.echolive.ie/corklives/arid-40227596.html
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Updated GeoHive Maps website - National townland and Historic Maps Viewer.
Barrackton area of Cork.
https://arcg.is/0z54ej
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Updated GeoHive Maps website - National townland and Historic Maps Viewer.
Barrackton area of Cork.
https://arcg.is/0z54ej
Latest link from the N T and H M Viewer-
https://arcg.is/ejva8