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Title: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: zetlander on Sunday 18 November 12 12:22 GMT (UK)
Does any one have access to the burial records for Blackhill Cemetery.
Loking for the grave of Bella Thompson who died S1/4 1916 age 51. Widow of James Thompson. She had a son James W. Thompson born 1896.
Bella lived on Delves Lane Consett in 1911.
Thanks
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: JenB on Sunday 18 November 12 14:40 GMT (UK)
Bella Thompson is definitely buried at Blackhill, date of burial 27 September 1916, aged 51.

There is more information about Blackhill Cemetery here. http://www.gravetext.co.uk/Blackhill/blackhill.html
The only detailed records currently online are the memorial inscriptions for the 'Old' graveyard, but her name doesn't seem to feature there.

I have sent a message to the person who maintains the Blackhill website, so you might possibly get some more detailed information from that source.



Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: pb3 on Sunday 18 November 12 21:30 GMT (UK)
Zetlander

                After being notified of your query by JenB I did a search of the Burial Records. There are quite a few Thompsons buried at Blackhill. I've attached a PDF of the relevant pages. Look for the two burials in Section L, plot 222.

                The fact that James' address is shown as what appears to be his place of work seems to suggest that he may have died in an accident.

                I had a look through the headstone transcriptions to see if there were any relevant ones - no luck, though there are quite a few Thompson memorials. If you have her son's date of death it will be an easy matter to do a search for him.

                Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

                    PatB.

               
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: pb3 on Monday 19 November 12 20:30 GMT (UK)
Zetlander

                I got your PMs after I had done a re-check of the headstone inscriptions; the reference to Tinmill Drift kept ringing a faint bell, so I did a search on "Tinmill Drift" rather than "Section L" and found the inscription shown. There are 1400+ inscriptions so far completed for the new graveyard so "needle" and "haystack" spring to mind.

               I've attached a three page PDF of Burial Records. The first page shows the burial details of WILLIAM, Father of JAMES. There is no record of anyone else buried in the grave with WILLIAM.

               Following on from your PM, the second and third pages show the Thompson burials in 1949 as well as the years immediately before and after that year. JAMES W. THOMPSON does not appear to be present - are you sure you've got the correct forename? It might be worth checking the records for St Ives church at Leadgate, if you're sure of the name.

              If you reply to this post, could you do it on this thread rather than by PM since I'm sure users would like to see both sides of the correspondence.

                     PatB.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: zetlander on Monday 19 November 12 23:27 GMT (UK)
Got the wrong name.
The person I am looking for is ROBERET W THOMPSON
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Wearsider on Tuesday 20 November 12 14:46 GMT (UK)
Zetlander - if you do a Google search for 'Durham Mining Museum Tin Mill Colliery' clicking on the second entry in the  listing will take you to a page on the DMM website that includes a list of those who were killed at Tin Mill Colliery.  James Thompson, a hewer age 28, was killed by a fall of stone on 4th December 1894. 

Wearsider.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 20 November 12 14:51 GMT (UK)
Quote from: zetlander on Monday 19 November 12 23:27 GMT (UK)
The person I am looking for is ROBERET W THOMPSON

zetlander's specific area of interest is Robert Thompson, http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,624301.msg4724666.html#msg4724666
It is possible he might be Bella's son.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: pb3 on Tuesday 20 November 12 22:29 GMT (UK)
Zetlander

               I've just done a detailed search of the Thompson Burial Records and the only mention I can find of Robert W. Thompson is in the relationship column of the last record in the attached PDF. If the father of the deceased child is, in fact, the person you are looking for then the death certificate and/or the birth certificate could furnish useful information.

               The date of 1921 suggests that the father will not be very old and may have been married in the previous year or so; a marriage certificate could give you a lead to his wife's name as well as the names of both their fathers. This research is up to you.

               I'm reasonably sure that Robert himself is not buried in Blackhill cemetery - at least not up to 1962. It could be worthwhile checking St Ives records at Leadgate for a possible burial and maybe even a marriage, after all, he was playing football on the Leadgate team.

               Good luck with your researches.

                            PatB.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Malcolm33 on Monday 25 March 13 04:59 GMT (UK)
Quote from: zetlander on Sunday 18 November 12 12:22 GMT (UK)
Does any one have access to the burial records for Blackhill Cemetery.
Loking for the grave of Bella Thompson who died S1/4 1916 age 51. Widow of James Thompson. She had a son James W. Thompson born 1896.
Bella lived on Delves Lane Consett in 1911.
Thanks
   This has set my mind spinning.    My first big question is who was Bella Thompson?   My current research was sparked when I saw 'The Dent Family of Ramshaw' request in Blanchland History last week - http://www.blanchlandhistory.org.uk/letters.php
   Blanchland History provided me with 3 email addresses of Dent researchers including that of Linda Goddard.   One of the others has responded and it did appear that we had the answer.  This entry has kind of put that askew.  The John Dent mentioned in Linda's request was the brother of my gt.gt.grandfather George Dent hence my interest.    Isabella Dent was born in 1867 so fairly close to the birthdate of Bella Thompson.   The most likely spouse of Isabella Dent from FreeBMD was either Robert Dobson or John Thompson in Apr/Jun 1888 in Lanchester which is the registration district for Consett.
   I am pretty sure that John and Jane Dent were living in Delves Lane from these Blackhill Burials:
1875    1853      1853         DENT         Dent John            laborer      41
Delves Lane,  Consett                Blackhill Cemetery        04 October 1871           D 157 Consett

1942     1920      1920        DENT         Dent Jane            widow 46
Delves Lane,      Consett                  Blackhill Cemetery       16 January 1872             D 134 Consett

     I know too that my gt.gt.Grandfather had a house in Delves Lane - it is in his will of 1863.  Note too that Linda believes Isabella's parents to have both died when she was only three.   Judging by the burials, she was 4 when totally orphaned.

      The problem is that we are trying to link Isabella to an Isabella Dent who would have been 46 when she married widower John Walker in Morpeth in 1913.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Malcolm33 on Monday 25 March 13 05:33 GMT (UK)
   I should have looked at Free BMD first.    Looks like we can eliminate Isabella Dent from this Thompson as they have a marriage of James Thompson to Isabella FALLOWS in Jul/Sep 1895 in Lanchester which covers Consett and Blackhill.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: JGEE27 on Wednesday 30 December 15 09:43 GMT (UK)
HI IM NEW TO THIS
Does anyone know of a grave in the cemetery for
Mary Gray died 16 Aug 1952 aged 72 and also Ralph Charlton Gray died 31st Jan 1956 aged 79
hope someone can help with this
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: pb3 on Thursday 21 January 16 22:40 GMT (UK)
JGEE27

            I have attached a PDF showing all of the Grey/Gray burials in Blackhill cemetery. You can find the two you enquired about in the last couple of pages. There may well be other relatives included in these records. Good luck with your researches.

             PatB.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Abygail on Tuesday 14 February 17 08:41 GMT (UK)
I have been looking for additional information re my maternal great grandfathers brother, Robert Seaton who buried at Benfieldside Cem. Conside & Knitsley Co Durham.  It appears he dies 8 June 1891 aged 31 yrs.  Do similar records exist for Benfieldside exist?  His wife was Isabella Baxter, son George William Seaton.  Abygail
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: pb3 on Thursday 02 March 17 17:27 GMT (UK)
Abygail,

            Attached is a PDF of the SEATON and BAXTER burials in Blackhill/Benfieldside cemetery. The burials in Section P, grave no. 330 are interesting.

                         PatB.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Abygail on Saturday 04 March 17 03:38 GMT (UK)
Thank you ever so much for that, I have always thought there should have been more children.  It's sad when they are lost as such an early age.
At 37 yrs is is difficult to speculate what the COD was for George William Seaton, industrial accident? or pneumonia? His father Robert was only 33.  In the depths of winter pneumonia is a contender.
Think I also need to explore the origins of Thomas Seaton from the 1871 census, he was also from Ireland and there were a Robert and a John living at the same address he was boarding at.
Aby
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: pb3 on Wednesday 08 March 17 14:54 GMT (UK)
Aby
 
        This is the only headstone transcription I can find for any SEATON; it is in the north graveyard and indicates that Thomas was held in high regard by his colleagues and friends.

                     PatB.

Seaton   1883   In Memory ofTHOMAS SEATON,died July 3rd 1883,aged 47 years.He wasthe first Representative Delegateof the Blastfurnacemenat Consett,andin recognition of the straight-forwardand honest mannerin which he discharged this,and other duties,this stone is erectedby his employersthe Consett Iron Company Limited.As a Teacherin the Primitive MethodistSunday Schoolfor sixteen years,he wasmuch and deservedly respected.[Large, pink granite headstone and plinth on sandstone base.]   M309.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: pb3 on Wednesday 08 March 17 15:03 GMT (UK)
Aby,

           I haven't formatted that inscription very well, so I've attached it as a PDF.

                          PatB.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Malcolm33 on Wednesday 08 March 17 18:46 GMT (UK)
Quote from: pb3 on Wednesday 08 March 17 14:54 GMT (UK)
Aby
 
        This is the only headstone transcription I can find for any SEATON; it is in the north graveyard and indicates that Thomas was held in high regard by his colleagues and friends.

                     PatB.

Seaton   1883   In Memory ofTHOMAS SEATON,died July 3rd 1883,aged 47 years.He wasthe first Representative Delegateof the Blastfurnacemenat Consett,andin recognition of the straight-forwardand honest mannerin which he discharged this,and other duties,this stone is erectedby his employersthe Consett Iron Company Limited.As a Teacherin the Primitive MethodistSunday Schoolfor sixteen years,he wasmuch and deservedly respected.[Large, pink granite headstone and plinth on sandstone base.]   M309.
    I find this interesting because in 1881 this Thomas Seaton was living at 38 Roger Street, Blackhill and right next door at No.37 was Jonathan and his wife Phoebe Stephenson and family.   Jonathan and Phoebe were the parents of my Auntie Elsie Stephenson who married my Uncle Jim Draffan.    Malcolm
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Malcolm33 on Wednesday 08 March 17 18:49 GMT (UK)
   Sounds like a different Thomas Seaton because the one in 38 Roger Street in 1881 was born Scotland, not Ireland.   Malcolm
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Malcolm33 on Wednesday 08 March 17 18:52 GMT (UK)
   There was a Robert Seaton at 38 Roger Street in 1881 but he was only one year old.  Malcolm
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: pb3 on Thursday 09 March 17 13:09 GMT (UK)
Aby

         I forgot to mention yesterday that the Burial Records show that Thomas Seaton (age 47 at death in 1883) and Elizabeth Seaton, who was a widow when she died (aged 77) in 1917 were each buried in plot no. 309 in Section M. There was an age difference of only 4 years between them. They were, almost certainly, husband and wife. It could be useful if you follow this up through the nearest available census to Elizabeth's death.

                              PatB. 
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Abygail on Thursday 09 March 17 19:52 GMT (UK)
I agree, you make interesting observations while exploring our past.  How paths cross and recross over time.  We think we live in a big world but it seems we travel in smaller circles than we first credit. 
Thomas Seaton does look like a well respected member of his community indeed.  Need to explore his past further.   Aby
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: bernice52 on Saturday 04 May 19 02:08 BST (UK)
Is it possible to check for a  burial of Sarah Ann MOOR died 12 Jan 1940 age 66 living  in Leadgate
she was a gt grandmother whose daughter emigrated to NZ & we would like to add some finishing touches to the family tree Please
Hope this isnt too late to ask on this thread
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: JenB on Saturday 04 May 19 08:54 BST (UK)
Blackhill Cemetery records are now available online via Family Search, as well as on Durham Records Online (pay per view).

I can't see a burial of a Sarah Ann Moor at Blackhill in January 1940
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS6T-N641?i=364&cat=996903

Have you looked for a burial at Leadgate itself?
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: bernice52 on Saturday 04 May 19 22:28 BST (UK)
thanks very much for the heads up on Leadgate will check it out
Title: Re: Durham Cemetery search for MOOR
Post by: bernice52 on Saturday 04 May 19 22:34 BST (UK)
I have checked FS for Leadgate, and no cemeteries listed. I seem to have difficulty with the durham record office search  can anyone assist with that please
will now change the subject to any burial search for James oct - dec 1938 or Sarah Ann died 12th Jan 1940 in second st any suggestions gratefully appreciated as  we are in NZ
thanks
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Malcolm33 on Saturday 04 May 19 23:30 BST (UK)
   Would Sarah have been living at 25 Second Street - born 6 September 1872.   Also at same adress a Robert Moor born 28 April 1901?
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Malcolm33 on Sunday 05 May 19 00:14 BST (UK)
Quote from: bernice11152 on Saturday 04 May 19 22:28 BST (UK)
thanks very much for the heads up on Leadgate will check it out

   Hello Again Bernice,  Further to my previous post it came to mind that you could learn a lot if you join the Consett Heritage Facebook forum - https://www.facebook.com/groups/213017885386150/

    There was even a question on Leadgate 14 hours ago - where did the name come from and the answer that came in was all IRISH.

     I don't think I was in Consett at the time of Sarah's decease, although I do know I was there in August 1939 as a wedding group photo was published in the Evening Chronicle 10th August 1939 with me in it as a 6 year old page boy.    I only got sent back to Consett mid 1940 when the Blitz got really bad, so did then know Leadgate fairly well.

     All sorts of things can emerge from the Consett Heritage page.   Last year when discussing my great Aunt Edie Bonell, a lady chipped in to tell us that they had just lifted their kitchen floor tiles and carved into the wooden floor boards in big capital letters there was 'EDITH AND ERNEST BONELL 1935'.

     I can't think where else Sarah Anne might be buried.   All my lot are down in Blackhill, right opposite grandad's old home.   Perhaps an error in her name in the records?

     If found, I could ask a cousin to photograph the grave site for you,

      All the best Malcolm, in Melbourne these last many years - but dtr in law is from Christchurch
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: stevej60 on Sunday 05 May 19 00:57 BST (UK)
St Ives church is situated in Leadgate it has a churchyard might be worth checking out for burial's.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: bernice52 on Sunday 05 May 19 01:17 BST (UK)
Yes she was  a widow living there on the 1939 Register with 3 sons and daughter Lizzie
prior to that on the 1911 they were in  Elm st Tow Law Durham husband and sons are Miners,
the key to her burial maybe James as he died in 1938 but dont know how long she had been in Leadgate?
hope this extra info helps to locate her
thanks
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: bernice52 on Sunday 05 May 19 01:24 BST (UK)
thanks for the suggestion Malcolm but we dont do facebook,
we were concentrating our research on her daughter from  Craghead . but just thought it would be nice to put her to bed so to speak, and the death cert led me to try to go further but its harder from overseas as you will know
thanks Bernice
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: bernice52 on Sunday 05 May 19 01:28 BST (UK)
Hi Steve
I put both MOOR & MOORE into find a grave but no hits at St Ives Churchyard in Durham so that seems a dead end too
thanks for your suggestion
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Malcolm33 on Sunday 05 May 19 01:39 BST (UK)
Quote from: bernice11152 on Sunday 05 May 19 01:24 BST (UK)
thanks for the suggestion Malcolm but we dont do facebook,
we were concentrating our research on her daughter from  Craghead . but just thought it would be nice to put her to bed so to speak, and the death cert led me to try to go further but its harder from overseas as you will know
thanks Bernice

     Yes it would be good to know at least where she rests.   I feel sure that there would be an obit.  At a quick glance at British Newspaper Archives I don't see one but there again they have so few papers digitised - not at all as helpful as Papers Past NZ.     I know only too well from my own research.    I was fortunate back in the 1980's through my work to get quite a few trips home and always found a bit of time for research.

      My Great Aunt Emma Wilson nee Oliver with whom I lived during the War years in Consett, died December 1943, not long after Sarah.    There is a long obituary in the Consett Guardian or the Consett Chronicle which I found when visiting Durham County Records Office.   These papers like those of Stockton are not in BNA so not in FindMyPast either.   

       You can only find such an obit for a Consettonian by looking at the Consett papers and these will be in Durham County Records and I think at Consett Library.

       So I wonder if there is any kind person living in Consett who could take a look at the Guardian for January 1940?

       Malcolm
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: bernice52 on Sunday 05 May 19 05:43 BST (UK)
Hi Malcolm what an amazing coincidence Sarah Ann Moor's maiden name is  also Wilson & her daughter Rachel Wilson married and emigrated to NZ.
I went to Auckland libraries but there was no Consett papers to choose from as you mentioned .
So my only hope now would be a local being able to do a look up ??
thanks Bernice
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Malcolm33 on Sunday 05 May 19 07:04 BST (UK)
Quote from: bernice11152 on Sunday 05 May 19 05:43 BST (UK)
Hi Malcolm what an amazing coincidence Sarah Ann Moor's maiden name is  also Wilson & her daughter Rachel Wilson married and emigrated to NZ.
I went to Auckland libraries but there was no Consett papers to choose from as you mentioned .
So my only hope now would be a local being able to do a look up ??
thanks Bernice

      Hi Bernice,
 
          I have to laugh or go crackers.     You see a few of us have been helping one of my cousin's cousin to try and trace Wilson's from all around Consett and down south as far as Fatfield, for several months now.    I have just been inundated with yet another batch.

          So will see if cousin Claire of Shotley Bridge who knows were everyone is in Blackhill Cemetery - well got to use a bit of licence - can possibly get into Consett Library and have a look for any obits that date.

          May take a while.   Ga Canny, Malcolm
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: bernice52 on Sunday 05 May 19 07:31 BST (UK)
Hi Malcolm
Thanks
Our Thomas Wilson originally  hailed from Northumberland. & After marriage to  Mary Ann (NEE Taylor) was in  Auckland at Byers Green, then Durham Tow Law. they had 3 daughters & a son Arthur we were unable to trace. but as we found there were a lot of Wilsons in the area, so don't expect any connection. just goes to show how these forums can have unexpected contacts
Cheers Bernice
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: JenB on Sunday 05 May 19 09:09 BST (UK)
Quote from: bernice11152 on Sunday 05 May 19 01:28 BST (UK)
I put both MOOR & MOORE into find a grave but no hits at St Ives Churchyard in Durham so that seems a dead end too

Findagrave only lists memorial stones in the churchyard. You need a look up of the actual burial registers.



Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: JenB on Sunday 05 May 19 09:14 BST (UK)
Well, you now know where Sarah Jane is - at Leadgate as stevej and I suggested!
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812445.msg6728738#msg6728738

I suspect husband James will be there as well. Sadly the Evening Chronicle for 1938 doesn't yet appear to be available online.

(If you start a new thread on the same topic it's really helpful if you can add a link to it to save peoples time looking for something when it's already been found  :) )
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: bernice52 on Sunday 05 May 19 10:01 BST (UK)
Sorry Jen I did say I was going to do another thread but didnt know about linking
& I dont know how to look at those burial records yet as cant find it on Family search
I will ask on the other thread.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812445.msg6728738#msg6728738
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: JenB on Sunday 05 May 19 10:02 BST (UK)
Quote from: bernice11152 on Sunday 05 May 19 10:01 BST (UK)
& I dont know how to look at those burial records yet as cant find it on Family search

Which burial records can't you find?
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: bernice52 on Sunday 05 May 19 10:32 BST (UK)
St Ives Leadgate burial records, I tried find a grave but got no result or when I put her name into the durham record office site.
I would like to finish it off with a grave if possible and I think James maybe there too?
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: JenB on Sunday 05 May 19 10:42 BST (UK)
As far as I'm aware Leadgate burial records aren't available online. As I said before, findagrave only records memorial inscriptions found on gravestones, so if there isn't a stone for them at Leadgate you won't find them on there. In any event the Leadgate records on findagrave are incomplete, as several of my Reed ancestors are there, with gravestones, and they aren't on findgrave

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got no result or when I put her name into the durham record office site.

The site I mentioned https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/NewSearch.php is nothing to do with Durham Record Office. It is an independant pay-per-view site which has a variety of records, but none for Leadgate.

This is what they have available at the moment (but more come online all the time) https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/Parish_Record_Info.php and you can see they don't yet have any records for Leadgate.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: Millmoor on Sunday 05 May 19 10:50 BST (UK)
Just to say that the Findagrave records for Leadgate St Ives are incomplete.( They claim they are 99% complete). My g grandfather William Ward is buried there (he died in1918) but he is not showing on Findagrave. I have seen the gravestone and have photographs of it. The stone is quite legible - I saw it as recently as 2012 when I attended my late Uncle's funeral there.

William

Added: Just read your last post,Jen.It makes you wonder about the 99% complete claim.
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: JenB on Sunday 05 May 19 10:57 BST (UK)
If you want an actual copy of the burial register for Sarah Ann Moor you could contact Durham County Record Office who would have no trouble in locating the record, since you can give them the date of her death.

If I read the table of charges correctly you would have to pay £5.00 for this to be emailed to you  http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/media/16746/Fees-and-Charges-2019-20/pdf/CHARGES_2019-20.pdf

They might also take a look for James's burial, but I'm unsure how much they would charge as you don't have the exact date. I suspect he'd be at Leadgate as well. They were most helpful in finding a burial for me a few years ago.

Contact email on this page http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/10509/Contact-us
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: bernice52 on Sunday 05 May 19 11:20 BST (UK)
Thanks Jen
I have emailed  them back using  a previous request for Sarah Ann's Marriage,
 that unfortunately was unsuccessful but they were very helpful with their explanation.
& have now seen the burial does seem to be on their list so could go ahead with that ref #
Lovely of you to help. being so far away I can only get to online researching myself
cheers Bernice
Title: Re: Blackhill Cemetery
Post by: bernice52 on Sunday 05 May 19 11:26 BST (UK)
My thanks to all  for the help I received with my query
Cheers from NZ
Bernice