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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Sligo => Topic started by: lynnmurray on Saturday 17 November 12 13:57 GMT (UK)
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Am looking for a marriage of John Davey between 1910 and 1938. I now have his death certificate which states he was married but his nephew registered the death. I know that he was married to Bridget Harte in 1900 and that she died in 1907. Any help greatly appreciated, particularly the name of his second wife
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Hello,
did John die in 1938 and where did he die please?
There are several marriages for a John Davey during that period.
heywood
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He died in 1947 aged 79 and his death was registered at Gurteen
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Are you sure that this is your John Davey? It's just that I thought you said that he disappeared.
Also, why are you looking in that time frame for the marriage - that is up to 1938 if he died 9 years later?
Is there a townland mentioned on the certificate?
There are Daveys in the Gurteen area in 1901 and 1911.
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We just didnīt know what had happened to him, however we now know that he was alive in 1929 as I have the marriage certificate of his son Peter. I looked up marriages for John Davey on family search and they range from 1911 to 1938, but I donīt know how to find out the ladies involved. His death was registered by Patrick McDonagh and McDonaghīs feature in the family line so am looking in to that relationship, and states he was married at the time of death. He is not buried with his first wife in Kimacowen and this John Davey matches the birth date I have so am just exploring the possibility that he did remarry and the family didnīt approve as the story was that he had died very soon after Bridget in 1907 but we know that this isnīt true.
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I would think that you need more information to prove that the two Johns are the same person.
There are quite a few John Daveys born around the relevant time - in various Sligo areas.
With regard to his being alive in 1929 - if that is because he is not shown as deceased on Peter's marriage certificate, it may not necessarily mean that he is living.
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The marriage certificate says that he is a farmer, so would it not say if he was deceased at this time? I cannot find a death registered for him before 1943 and that death certificate doesnīt seem to fit as it says he was a bachelor, but would they put that instead of widower? I was reading that there were a lot of land evictions in Kilmacowen in 1907 so maybe this explains why there is a new family in his address in 1911, and maybe he moved away and left his children with his in-laws? Would really like to solve this mystery.
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It is difficult for you, I realise. Did his family ever have any contact with him after they were left with relatives?
The Kilmacowen evictions were in County Cork not Sligo.
Re the certificate - I am just going from experience with english marriage certificates and general chat on these boards. The question of living/deceased may not always be asked - perhaps just 'what is your father's name?'
Did Peter marry locally? Are there any other children who married- you could check their certificate information?
As there are Daveys and McDonaghs in Gurteen and births of a John Davey about the same time in Gurteen area, it is likely that the one who dies is local to that area.
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Do you think they would ask for his occupation as well as that was on the certificate. His daughter didnīt marry but one of his other sons did so will get that certificate and try that way. The family have provided no further information to that I have already. I am also going to check with the registrar for pre 1940 burials in Kilmacowen cemetery and see where that takes me.
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It does seem quite a strong argument for his being alive. I would try the other child's marriage details.
Did you try the church for any records?
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Yes I tried Carraroe which is where his son Peterīs marriage took place and also Sligo cathedral but they told me that they donīt hold these records
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Are there any more churches in Kilmacowen you think I could try?
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Sorry I don't - if he stayed in the area, he would presumably be in the local cemetery.
There were not any house numbers as such in the censuses, and as far as I know, the numbers given are the enumerators route for collecting the information.
1901 has your family at house no 12. If you look at form B - he is the head of household and the leaseholder.
House no 11 has Patrick Devaney with is mother and sister.
1911 Patrick Devaney is at house no 2 and Elizabeth Smith is at house no 1. The leaseholder of this house is John Davey on form B1.
It would be wonderful if I could find a marriage for Smith/Davey but I can't. :(
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Do you know John Davey's parents names?
annclare
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Hi, yes they were Michael and Maria (Mary) nee McGowan
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There is a John Deavy in 1911 census at Drumdiveen which is the address on his death certificate. He is not there in 1901 and has only been married to Kate ?? for 2 years. Maybe I am getting closer?
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I hope you are :).
John Deavy is 50 yrs - does that fit?
There is a McDonagh servant in 1911 and 1901 has a McDonagh family here (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Kilshalvy/Drumdiveen/1676216/)
There is a marriage for a John Davey (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYXS-B49) with a Catherine McDonagh sharing the same reference.
If it is the same person, she ages from 30 yrs to 50 yrs in the ten census years.
There are two Catherine McDonaghs in 1901 so be careful and just look at the censuses - I think one is still there in 1911 but one has married.
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They have both aged from 30 to 50 then as John was 29 in 1901 census. Will be careful. Am in process of contacting Killavil parish to see what information I can get from there. Mnay thanks for your patience
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Just to let you know that after obtaining death and marriage certificates, it was not the right John Davey. So am going back to the beginning at Carrickhenry and try from there
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Well that's a shame.
best wishes
heywood