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Title: 1881 census
Post by: Daisy Loo on Monday 12 November 12 21:15 GMT (UK)
Hi...could anyone help me with the names on this census...

I have Henry and Mary Butterworth....and then Emily?  and not clear of the following names...and the last occupation?  Thanks :)
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: Daisy Loo on Monday 12 November 12 21:16 GMT (UK)
I can see Laura Butterworth....and Alfred...and then is that Walt Wm?
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 12 November 12 21:33 GMT (UK)
I'd go with Walt. Wm - who is a Midshipman.

What I see is:

Henry Butterworth
Mary Butterworth
Emily Hansen
Car. A Butterworth
Laura Butterworth
Alfd Butterworth
Walt. Wm. Butterworth
Flor. M. R. Shepherd
Gert. M. E. Hansen
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: Daisy Loo on Monday 12 November 12 21:37 GMT (UK)
Thanks, and the last two names?
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: student on Monday 12 November 12 21:42 GMT (UK)
This is what I think-
Hen. Butterworth Grocer and Tea Dealer
Mary Butterworth
Emily Hanson
Car. A. Butterworth  (Caroline?)
Laura Butterworth
Alfred Butterworth Clerk
Walter William Midshipman
Flor.M.R. Sheppherd   (Florence?)
Gert. M.E. Hanson  (Gertrude?)
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 12 November 12 21:44 GMT (UK)
Births:
September qtr 1875
Fulham district    vol 1a, page 240
Hanson, Gertrude Marion E

September qtr 1871
Camberwell district    vol 1d, page 684
Shepherd, Florence Mary R
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: ennael on Monday 12 November 12 21:45 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Looks like Emily HANSEN, Widow to me.

Leanne
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: Daisy Loo on Monday 12 November 12 21:50 GMT (UK)
Excellent....thank you all for your help!

KGarrard, you are a legend...thanks for finding the birth. I think I have found a marriage.

This is one of those that slip through the censuses.  Emily is back with her family in 1891, listed as Butterworth, and I nearly missed the Hanson marriage, as I only found the 1881 census today, because she is not transcribed with her parents, even though she should be :)  Thanks again.

(she has another son I think, Arthur...haven't found his birth yet...how do you find them so fast KGarrard!?)
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 12 November 12 21:58 GMT (UK)
...how do you find them so fast KGarrard!?

I use FreeBMD!

Another birth:

June qtr 1864
Clerkenwell district    vol 1b, page 577
Butterworth, Walter William

September qtr 1862
Clerkenwell  district    vol 1b, page 533
Butterworth, Alfred
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 12 November 12 22:04 GMT (UK)
And, to complete the picture:

December qtr 1849
Clerkenwell district    vol 3, page 92
Butterworth, Emily

March qtr 1857
Clerkenwell district    vol 3, page 524
Butterworth, Caroline Alice

December qtr 1858
Clerkenwell district    vol 3, page 535
Butterworth, Laura
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: Daisy Loo on Monday 12 November 12 23:49 GMT (UK)
Thank you so very much. 

The ones I am having trouble finding is Arthur Hanson, b. 1873 and now I have discovered what appears to be another daughter Edith...both children for Emily Hanson.

Edited to add: Think I have found Arthur...he's down as Arthur William S - think I will stick to freeBMD myself now!
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 13 November 12 07:57 GMT (UK)
Found the following baptisms:

5th September 1875 at St John's, Fulham
to William Matthew & Emily, of Cedar Road, St James

Edith Mary Tamar Hanson
Gertrude Marion Ellen Hanson

William's occupation: Deputy Superintendent Registrar of Births &c



30th June 1872 at St Matthews, City Road (Islington?)
to William Matthew & Emily, of St John 'o Street Road

Arthur William Sweetland Hanson

William's occupation: Lawyer's Clerk
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: Daisy Loo on Tuesday 13 November 12 16:39 GMT (UK)
wow, that latest find is excellent.  Thanks Kgerrard.

The family are a bit sad I think...Arthur, the son of Emily is in an Orphans Asylum in 1881...would love to find out why..am going to try and contact the records office...apparently there are some good records for this particular asylum to be found.
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: Peggy on Tuesday 13 November 12 16:57 GMT (UK)
I think the last two are grand daughters
looks like Flor Shepard age 9 and Gerl Hanson age 5

Peggy
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 13 November 12 16:59 GMT (UK)
As mum Emily was widowed, presumably left without income, and moved back to Mum and Dads with her 5 yr old dtr, maybe there just wasnt room for, or funds to support, another child too.

Red writing frm peggy - yes, they were grandchildren of the Butterworths - Gertrude Hanson being child of the widowed daughter Emily Hanson nee Butterworth
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: Daisy Loo on Tuesday 13 November 12 22:01 GMT (UK)
Thanks Peggy :)

Yes it looks like that lizdb - just found the other daughter at a different orphanage.  Thankfully they all appear to be reunited on later censuses.  How hard times must have been back then to have to make those kind of choices.
Title: Re: 1881 census
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 13 November 12 22:15 GMT (UK)
Considering William's occupation (Deputy Superintendent Registrar) at Edith & Gertrude's baptism, I would have thought the family would have been provided for?

It just seems a little strange, to me?