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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: SuzannafromOZ on Saturday 10 November 12 03:20 GMT (UK)
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I have been looking for Charles H Cullen B 1857.Wife Margaritte or Margaret 1853
Going back in census I have found that the name Cullen may of changed to O Cullen . Could this be the same family?
Thanks Sue
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Hiya Sue ...are we looking for Charles born in England or Australia ??
if England ...this is all I could find
1850 to 1860
www.freebmd.org.uk
Charles H Cullen ....only one shows sep qtr 1857 Charles Hallett Cullen born in Grantham ,Lincolnshire ....so if this is not him ..I will just look for Charles Cullen b Cheshire
Charles Cullen b sep qtr 1856 in Ashton under Lyne, Cheshire ...the only one 1850-1860
No Charles Cullen to a Margaret /Margaritte marriage 1870-1890
allan
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Ok so maybe i have it all wrong.. ???
My Gr Gandfather Samual Lomas married Nellie cullen 1904. They were both 22 at the time
Her Father was Charles cullen 1884
and I was trying to go down the track of the Cullen's
They were all born in Dukinfield.
Thanks Sue
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Hi
1891
4 Lodge's Yard Off Brook Street, Ashton under Lyne
Charles Cullen Head 35 b1856 Ashton Farm labourer
Margaret Cullen Wife 39 b1852 Ashton Cotton operative
James Cullen Son 12 b1879 Ashton
Ellen Cullen Daughter 10 b1881 Ashton
Charles Cullen Son 7 b1884 Ashton
Mary McDonald Stepdaughter 16 b1875 Ashton Domestic servant
Heather
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Ellen Cullen born 1881 Ashton Under Lyne mmn McDonald
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Nellie married Samuel Lomas at Dukinfield St Marks in 1904.
Do you have their marriage certificate or would you like me to look at the register for you?
Heather
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Hi Heather I have a marriage Cert Thankyou for Nelli and Samuel.
What does mmn mean?
So where does the McDonald come in ..It states Step Daughter
So does this mean Nellies mother has been married twice?
Sue
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mmn means mother's maiden name
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Charles Cullen born 1856 Ashton Town mmn Carrill
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Perhaps Charles and Margaret didn't marry
James McDonald b1879 mmn McDonald
Charles McDonald b1884 mmn McDonald Ashton town
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1881
at 55 Wood Street, Ashton under Lyne
Chas. Cullen Head 24 b1857 Ashton under lyne Spinner cotton
Margarett Cullen wife 28 b1853 Ashton char woman
James Cullen son 2 b1879 Ashton
Mary Cullen daughter 6 b1875 Ashton
Sarah Thornley lodger 22 b 1859 Ashton cotton operative
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Hi ..I cant seem to find a marriage of Charles Cullen Birth 1857 to Margaritta 1853 or Margaret.....nee ?.
I have a marriage Cert telling me there daughter Ellen or Nellie married my Great grand father Samuel.Lomas Birth 1882 .Cant find Charles in census 1871....On the 1891 Census they have a stepdaughter called Mary McDonald .Would this name be Margaret's name before she was Cullen. ::)
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Hi, SussanafromOZ, this is a possible for Charles Cullen in 1871
With his mother Bridget born Ireland and sister Ellen aged 11 born Ashton under Lyne. It shows Charles as born Ireland as a Cotton Piecer the age matches. Although it does show Charles as also born Ireland this could be an enumerator mistake or Charles thought he was born in Ashton.
Interesting that this sister named Ellen and named a daughter Ellen.
Reference: Piece 4072, Folio 133, Page 5. They are in Cross Court
in Ashton under Lyne.
Regards
Kathb
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Hi, SussanahinOZ, I see Charles and Margaret on the 1901 census as boarders in the house of Richard Longsden and his wife Mary Agnes. This couple have a 10 month old son Thomas and a stepson named Joseph Macdonald. Reference: Piece 3785, Folio, 104, Page 25.
There is a marriage for a Mary Agnes Macdonald and Richard Longsden in the December quarter of 1899, Ashton, Reference: 8d 785. So, it seems that Joseph is a child of Mary Agnes, pre marriage to Richard. It is possible that Mary Agnes and Margaret are related, possibly sisters?
If they are, this further supports the findings of Heatherjulie in that Margaret's maiden name was Macdonald or McDonald.
Modified: On further examination it appears that this Mary Agnes is in fact the daughter of Margaret Macdonald. I cannot find a marriage for Margaret and Charles. However, I suggest that you look at the 1911 census at the years married for this couple and the number of children of the marriage.
Regards
Kathb
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Hi Kathb
So do you think that Margaret Cullen was Margaret McDonald .
So if Charles came from Ireland how do I find out where in Ireland?
Maybe Charles and Margaret never married...What are your thoughts...I am lost with all of this.
Sue
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Hi Suzanna. Margaret's birth name appears to be Mac/MacDonald. It seems that her eldest child Mary Agnes, continues to use this last name until her marriage Charles and James were registered with the last name McDonald but then start to use the last name Cullen. The youngest child Ellen is registered with the last name Cullen. I would say that it is highly likely that Charles Cullen was the father of the three youngest children, but not Mary Agnes. The Charles Cullen I found on the 1871 is a possibility as 'your' Charles. The only discrepancy is that on this census it says born in Ireland and on all subsequent census Charles says born in Ashton. As I said earlier, the Ireland could be a mistake. Heatherjulie in a previous reply found a birth in Ashton for a Charles Cullen. I think it is much more likely that Charles was born in Ashton. I could not find a marriage for Charles and Margaret, perhaps they never did marry.
Regards Kathb
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I don't think Margaret was previously married, as this looks to be her in 1871 in Hurst, Ashton (mother's name fits wit Margaret's daughter)
Agnes McDonald 36
Mary McDonald 12
Henry McDonald 8
Elenor McDonald 5
RG10, 4087, 75, 18
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Mary MCDONALD in 1858 Hartshead, Ashton under Lyne mother's maiden name DONNELLY
Agnes MCDONALD in 1861 Hartshead mmn DONILY
Henry MCDONALD in 1862 Hartshead, mmn DONNALLY
Ellinor MCDONALD in 1865 Hartshead mmn DONNELLEY