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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: lynfour on Friday 09 November 12 22:30 GMT (UK)
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In ding some research for a friend, I found the following information on a tree at Anc....y.
Her GG grandfather is listed as
Jacobus Heaney Aka James Francis Smith !!!
Birth 1829 in Launceston, Tasmania,
Death 02 OCT 1897 in Bairnsdale Victoria as James Francis Smith
Married Maria Jane Bond 1857, Sale Victoria as James Francis Smith.
Her G Grandmother was
Charlotte May Smith
b 1878 Sale Victoria
Married Andrew McCann 1901 Victoria.
Her grandmother was
Muriel Jane McCann
b 1904 Bairnsdale, Victoria
I haven't been able to find any information on why they think Jacobus Heaney & James Smith are one & the same person :(
Any help or information would be greatly appreciated :)
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Perhaps the tree's author has sighted a marriage certificate which may hold details of JAMES' parents' names, and other information about his background.
However I note the places of birth of this couple are not shown on the marriage registration.
SMITH James
To BOND Maria Jane
Year 1857
Reg 2326
I note also the second given name FRANCIS is absent.
Your friend could download this certificate and possibly get more clues.
Cost Aus. $20.00. You will need the registration number which is given above on the index entry.
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA2574F700805DE7/page/Family+history?OpenDocument&1=60-Family+history~&2=~&3=~
This link shows what you may see on all Victorian certificates. How complete and accurate the information is, depends on the knowledge of the informant.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
Tas birth
Jacobus HEANEY
Birth 1829 - HOBART,Tasmania [c]
Parents
COOPER, MARIA ANNA
HEANEY RICARDO
A sister MARIA ANNA 1827
There seems to be evidence the parents in TASMANIA anglicised their names to RICHARD and MARY ANN, but it is hard to be definite as records are incomplete. Newspapers certainly contain snippets about RICHARD HEANEY.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=8
On the burial register from BAIRNSDALE CEMETERY JAMES FRANCIS is listed as C of E. A labourer aged 71 (which differs from the death reg.below)
SMITH Jas Francis
Father Unknown
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Age 67
Death Place Bdale
Year 1897
Reg. 11152
Sue
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Sometimes submitters to those Public member trees have not checked the sources of their information and are often incorrect. I have had personal experience of this with my family details.
I have found the following info and it looks like Jacobus/James may be different people.
Sparret has found the birth but I will copy the details in here as well. I have also found additional information from bmd databases on ancestry.
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Jacobus Heany
Father's Name: Ricardo Heany
Mother's name: Maria Anna Cooper
Birth Place: Tasmania
Registration Year: 1829 Registration Place: Hobart, Tasmania Registration number: 3091
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Richard Heany
Spouse Name: Mary A Cooper
Marriage Date: 1821
Marriage Place: New South Wales Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1821 Volume Number: V
New South Wales, Australia, Departing Crew and Passenger Lists, 1816-1825, 1898-1911
Name: Mrs Mary Heaney Departure Date: 19 May 1821
Destination Port: Port Dalrymple, Australia - this was the original name for Launceston
Ship: Mary
Rank: Wife of Master.
Richard Heaney on same voyage – Master of the Ship.
Noells
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Van Diemens Land Gazette etc.. 19 Jul 1823
birth...12th...of a son..Mrs Richard Heaney, of Montague Park...first birth at that settlement.
Van Diemens Land Gazette etc.. 31 Dec 1824
...letter fromMr Richard Heaney, of Ross Bridge...house fire 19th...house, property destroyed....Mrs H who had been confined only nine days...and all children ...safe.
The Courier 27 Aug 1841
died..at Perth..... 20th....Capt Richard Heany, aged 56yrs...old, respected colonist
Launceston Examiner 1 May 1847
Married - by special license, at St Mary's Sydney, on 7th, by Rev. Mr Somner, Robert
Heaney, second son of the late Richard Heaney, of Launceston, Van Diemens Land,
and grandson to Mr Robert Cooper, of Juniper Hall, to Catherine Fitzpatrick of Sydney
NSW BDM
319/1900 death Richard E HEANEY Sydney
parents Richard and Mary
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Juniper Hall built c1825 for Robert COOPER.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juniper_Hall,_Paddington
Rhonda
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wivenhoe, Hope you will not mind this correction ;D
319/1900 HEANEY, ROBERT E. Parents RICHARD & MARY SYDNEY
Sue
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I am not persuaded yet that the two were different men, though the hard evidence is hard to find ::)
As I said above, there was probably an anglicing of names, notably RICARDO.
Among the names of the many children of JAMES FRANCIS SMITH and MARIA JANE BOND I see ROBERT, ANNA MARIA, ALFRED RICHARD and CHARLOTTE.
{CHARLOTTE HEANEY was born in 1821 in Launceston. Her parents are not listed. She may have married WILLIAM LONG as there is a marriage on TAS bmd}
Sue
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This may support the notion that CHARLOTTE HEANEY was a daughter of Richard
1843 Re Claims for grants of land
William Long and Edward Messiler Dyne, Launceston, 32 perches, originally W. Blackall, who devised same to A. Blackall, who conveyed to R. Heaney, applicants claim as trustees for the children of the said R. Heaney, deceased.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0s48/
There is a will in the name of RICHARD HEANEY (Perhaps 1843 is when it was proved ???)
Heaney Richard 1843 AD961/1/2 550
Sue
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BAPTISMS:
HENNEY CHARLOTTE MONTAGUE bpt. 18 May 1822 HOBART #1233/1822 RGD 32
Father: RICHARD
Mother: MARY ANN
HEANY MARIA ANNA bpt. 25 Feb 1827 HOBART #2389/1827 RGD 32
Father: RICARDO
Mother: COOPER MARIA ANNA
HEANY JACOBUS bpt. 15 Feb 1829 HOBART #3091/1829 RGD 32
Father: RICARDO
Mother: COOPER MARIA ANNA
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I think it is hard to dispute that the names Richard/Ricardo and Maria Anna / Mary Ann amount to the same identities.
I still see no real evidence nor contra-evidence for the son JACOBUS HEANEY to be one in the same person as JAMES FRANCIS SMITH.
Certificates may be the answer!
Sue
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Sue, I think you will find their names were "Latinised" in the church registers rather than Anglicised in real life.
Richard HEANEY seems to have been the Chief Officer on the Hibernia which arrived in NSW in 1819, and he was given a land grant in Tasmania.
A few more interesting articles. The first may not be related, but is the right age. The second shows that there was a son named James, but whether Jacob and James are the same person...?
1845
Caution to Apprentices - James Heany, fifteen years and a-half old, under indentures as an apprentice for eight years (five and a-half of which are unexpired) to Mr. Joseph Sly, upholsterer and cabinet-maker, Pitt-street, was brought up at the Police Court, yesterday, before Messrs. Stirling and Campbell, charged with absconding from his indented service. The indentures being put in and proved, Mr. Isaac Nichols, inspector of the Water Police, proved that on Saturday last he took the prisoner by warrant, from on board the Australian whaler, then about to proceed to sea, he having previously been entered as a sailor on the books of the said vessel. The prisoner made no defence, and as it appeared by his indentures that the present was the third time he had been before the Court for a similar offence, he was sentenced to be confined in the cells for three days, and fed on bread and water during such confinement.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12878966
1851
IF JAMES HEANEY, son of the late Captain Heaney of Van Dieman's Land, and formerly resident in Sydney, but last heard of at Mount Emu, will communicate with his brother, Robert Heaney at the Lord Nelson Inn, Hunter-street, Sydney, he will hear of something to his advantage. Any person giving any information of the above James Heaney to his brother, will confer a great obligation on both.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12924082
Debra :)
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Hi Lynfour
From all the responses to your request from Rootschatters it seems that we cannot prove/disprove that Jacobus and James are the same person. Death certificate won't help as it has parents unknown.
Provided you have a subscription, I would suggest that you contact the Owner of the Public tree on ancestry, tell them you are researching for a friend and ask them to explain how they found out that Jacobus Heaney changed his name to James Francis Smith ;D
Once you find out it would be good to hear back from you on this forum, as we now are all curious.
Noells
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In reply #1 I suggested the purchase and download of the marriage certificate may be of assistance.
I stand by that recommendation.
Sue
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This could be the same man as found by Deb in 1849, now in Victoria
CAUTION. Argus 1849
I HEREBY caution the public against hiring my servant, Jas. Heaney, as he has absconded from my service, and a warrant has been granted by the Bench for his apprehension. JOHN RADLEY.
Sue
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Another mention of James Heaney ... and another alias
Victorian Police gazette See 16 Nov 1869 Inquests
The man on whom the inquest was held at Ballan on the 1st November has proved to be one James Heaney alias Crankey Jemmy, formerly known at Bacchus Marsh - 15th December 1869
regards,
Ros
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The reputation of James HEANEY was good enough reason to change his name ::)
The man on whom the inquest was held at Ballan on the 1st November has proved to be one James Heaney alias Crankey
That means James HEANEY died ???
ADDED
Two other James HEANEY deaths on the Pioneer Index so it was not an unusual name.
Nothing so far to prove the identity of Jacobus HEANEY alias James SMITH.
Rhonda
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WOW! What a response!!!
Thanks very much to you all for the trouble you have taken :)
Sorry I haven't got back earlier, but have been away from my computer.
I did put a message on the tree at Ancestry, but never got a reply, so I might try again.
There also seems to have been a Richard Heaney that had a hotel in Launceston, so there's a possibility that there were two Richard Heaney's !?
Will see if my friend is happy to purchase the marriage certificate. Hopefully might give some more information. Haven't found Maria Jane Bond's parents yet either.
Thanks again for all the help & information,
Lynne
Sue, is the will available to view on line?
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Yes, you can read the document by using the link I have given then clicking on the Will number to bring up adigitised copy.
However although it is classified with Wills the Will apears to be absent from the package.
Instead there are papers connected with the granting of Letters of Administration to WILLIAM LONG (whom I believe to be RICHARD HEANEY's son in law)
RICHARD HEANEY is described as a Liscenced Victualler of Perth (Tas).
I do not think there were two of the name.
Sue
ADDINGIt could be noted that son ROBERT EDWARD HEANEY followed the same occupation in NSW and there are numerous examples of Liscences being granted to him in the newspapers
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I have had a reply from the message that I put on an ancestry
tree regarding Jacobus/James.
Thought you might be interested !
Subject: RE: Jacobus Heaney aka James Smith
Hi Lynne,
Sorry I have not answered you earlier I have been busy and not doing any research.
Well it is a bit of a story so if you don't understand anything please ask.
Now my great grandmother was Charlotte May Smith so I purchased her marriage certificate to Andrew James McCann who is my great grandfather. On the marriage certificate it had her parents as Francis James Smith and Maria Anne Bond so I searched for there wedding certificate and purchased the certificate and and he put his name down as James Smith and hers was Maria Jane Bond. Now parents names for Maria were not listed but had the word foundley (foundling) on it and I found a record that she was baptised Maria Jane Bond by the lady who found her in Nelson Square. Now the parent on the marriage certificate for James Smith are Richard Smith and Mary Ann Cooper. It also advised that James was born in Tasmania.
Now I searched and searched for his birth details and I had remembered talking to my mum and nan before my nan had passed and she said something about my grandpa's sister Murial they had said that her name was Murial Jane Heaney McCann and I know sometimes that people use last names as middle names and I thought that Heaney was a strange name and as she was the first born maybe that was why she got the name. Now I have looked up her birth and marriage certificate and it is not on there but it may have been a christening name. But thought will check it out any way as couldn't find the information for James Smith. So started searching Tasmanian records for James Heaney with both his parents names and found the record for Ricardo and Maria Anna Cooper with two children one being a Jacobus Heaney born about the same time as James as it states his age at time of marriage so knew around when he was born. Now I thought I would search a little more, newspaper articles or any other information which would lead to finding out if this was the same person.
Now I found an article about the priest that was at the church and apparently he had an accent and apparently he liked a bit of a drink. Unfortunately if you want the article I will have to look for it as moved house last year and can’t find some stuff. But the article suggested he mixed up some of the names of some of the children he baptised one being Jacobus’s sister. He apparently wrote words as he heard them in his head so as he had an accent he would hear Richard as Ricardo and Mary Anne as Maria Anna.
In regards to changing his name it was done before he was married and I am still researching the actual reason why he changed his name. But think as he moved over to Sale which in those days was the middle of no where and choosing such a generic name he didn’t want to be found.
He died in Bairnsdale in 1897 and was buried at the barinsdale cemetery. My next step is going to contact the historical society down there and see if they have any information about him as you never know.
I am still researching this and apparently there is someone else tracing this part of the tree it is one of my mum’s cousins but my mum hasn’t been able to get on to them. So if I find out any other information will let you know.
Cheers,
Emily
Emily also sent thru copies of the certificates she has & I noticed on the page for the marriage of James Smith & Maria Bond, that all the grooms names are SMITH !! Maybe the priest was more than a little dodgy ???
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Now I found an article about the priest that was at the church and apparently he had an accent and apparently he liked a bit of a drink. Unfortunately if you want the article I will have to look for it as moved house last year and can’t find some stuff. But the article suggested he mixed up some of the names of some of the children he baptised one being Jacobus’s sister. He apparently wrote words as he heard them in his head so as he had an accent he would hear Richard as Ricardo and Mary Anne as Maria Anna.
This is a bit silly. The events in the church registers were recorded in Latin and had nothing to do with the priest hearing things ::) The intended names of the children would have been Jacob and Mary Ann.
I was curious about what happened to the children of Richard and Mary Ann who were left orphans when their father died in 1841. In January 1842 a Master James and Miss Louisa HEANEY travelled from Tasmania to Sydney on the William. If this is your James he would have been about 13, and Louisa would have been aged 6. I wonder who they were going to?
Debra :)
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It is more common for Jacobus to be a Latinised version of James, occasionally Jacob.
http://freereg.rootsweb.com/howto/latinnames.htm
Many early RC church registers both in Oz and in UK are written in Latin. Adds to the genealogical chase ::)
Judith
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Yes, you are quite right Judith. I was looking through another list and got a bit side-tracked looking at the Latin versions of some of my family names. Some of them are quite surprising.
Debra :)
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I was looking through another list and got a bit side-tracked looking at the Latin versions of some of my family names. Some of them are quite surprising.
To say nothing of down-right annoying - well, mine are, anyway. ;D
Judith
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Now I found an article about the priest that was at the church and apparently he had an accent and apparently he liked a bit of a drink. Unfortunately if you want the article I will have to look for it as moved house last year and can’t find some stuff. But the article suggested he mixed up some of the names of some of the children he baptised one being Jacobus’s sister. He apparently wrote words as he heard them in his head so as he had an accent he would hear Richard as Ricardo and Mary Anne as Maria Anna.
This is a bit silly. The events in the church registers were recorded in Latin and had nothing to do with the priest hearing things ::) The intended names of the children would have been Jacob and Mary Ann.
I was curious about what happened to the children of Richard and Mary Ann who were left orphans when their father died in 1841. In January 1842 a Master James and Miss Louisa HEANEY travelled from Tasmania to Sydney on the William. If this is your James he would have been about 13, and Louisa would have been aged 6. I wonder who they were going to?
Debra :)
Hi Debra, You may found the answer why he went back to the mainland as they would have been going back to there grandfather Robert Cooper or other family members that lived in Sydney. This may now allow us to search NSW for articles on him.
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Earlier in this thread Sue found a marriage for Charlotte HEANEY to William LONG in Tasmania.
Death Notice SMH, 14 July 1863
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13081385
Summary:
Charlotte Montague,41, wife of William LONG, eldest daughter of the late Captain HEANEY and granddaughter of the late Robert COOPER of Ormond House Sydney. Died in childbirth, 5 July, at her residence Brisbane Water.
Judith
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SMH 25 Oct 1832
Juniper Hall, on the South Head road, since its occupation by the Attorney Geneial, has obtained the appellation of Ormond House.
Australasian Chronicle 2 Jul 1842
"....a little beyond Juniper Hall or Ormond House,"
SMH 20 Feb 1866
Ormond House, Paddington, the property of Mrs. Cooper, and formerly the residence
of her late husband, Mr. Daniel Cooper, of , the Brisbane Distillery, was taken as a temporary asylum...
SMH 17 Mar 1900
HEANY.—February 28, at the Sydney Hospital, Robert Edwin Heany, eldest son of the late Captain Richard Heany, of Launceston, Tasmania, and grandson of the late Robert Cooper, of Ormonde House, Paddington, in his 76th year, leaving a widow, son and grandson to mourn their loss. R.I.P.
Cornwall Chronicle 14 Aug 1841
DIED-At Perth, on Friday, the 13th instant, Miss Mary Ann Heany, of a short and painful illness, which she bore with Christian fortitude, aged 14 years. She was justly beloved by all who knew her.
Launceston Advertiser 15 Jun 1843
William Long and Edward Messiler Dyne, Launceston, 32 perches, originally W. Blackall, who devised same to A. Blackall, who conveyed to Heaney, applicants claim as trustees for the children of the said R R Heaney, deceased.
This website has information about Robert COOPER -
http://dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/juniper_hall
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Hi Here is the link to the details you need to read the section on 1827 baptisims. It is just assumed that the priest may have been a little tippled on the day otherwise he may have been a bit old and confused. http://users.ncable.net.au/~jburrell/gen/barfoot/church2.html
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Hello all - I am the 3rd gr granddaughter of Richard and Mary Ann Heaney and have just come across your article on Jacobus Heaney aka James Francis Smith. Were all your questions answered? Is there anything else you need to know? Richard and his daughter Mary Ann died 11 days apart in 1841 and James Francis Heaney and Louisa Mary Heaney were sent to the care of Richard's eldest daughter, Charlotte, and her husband William Long who became their guardians. Unfortunately Charlotte died in childbirth in 1863.
There is an interesting article on Richard and Mary Ann Heaney at http://www.ozhistorymine.com/html/mary__1821.html
cheers Jill
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Hi Jill,
By any chance do you know why he changed his name as this is the only thing I can't work out as wondering if if was in some kind of trouble or did he just want to have a fresh start. As he changed it before he got married so wasn't sure why he did this.
Any help would be great.
Thanks
Emily
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Hi Jill,
Thanks for your reply.
I have passed on your post to my friends that I was doing the research for & hopefully they will want to get in touch with you !
Cheers,
Lyyne
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Hi Emily,
I have no doubt Jacobus Heaney and James Francis Smith and James Heaney are the same people. I have early notes from the 2nd gr granddaughter of James Francis Heaney who says he operated under the aka of Smith. The name Heaney Smith followed as a surname right down to her grandmother's generation.
James was only 12 when his sister, Mary Ann, died aged 14 followed only 8 days later by his father. It must have been horrific. James was charged with his first assault when he was 12, he was in trouble again at the age of 15, at 20.
Not long after their father's death James and his youngest sister, Louisa Mary Heaney (my 3rd gr grandmother) who was about 5 years younger than him, were sent to live with their sister Charlotte who had married William Long.
I've no doubt he felt it prudent to change name to avoid embarrassment to his family, who were quite prominent in society.
Hope this answers some of your questions.
cheers
Jill
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Thanks Jill,
I was 100% it was him but just couldn't work out why he changed his name, but showing he was in trouble and I thought that that maybe the case that he needed to change it for some reason. And you are properly right he didn't want to embarrass the family so moved and changed his name.
I have followed the tree of his mother Mary Ann Cooper and went and saw Juniper Hall and is a very big grand house for the time.
James Smith is my 2nd great grandfather his daughter Charlotte Smith was my great grandmother.
Thanks for this information at least now I have a better picture do you know if there are any articles or where I can find information on the trouble he was in.
Thanks
Emily
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Hi Emily, sorry for the delay in replying but I find Rootschat rather confusing. It has taken me ages to realise I had to log in so I could reply. :-\ My info on the Heaneys has been gathered from many sources and I don't have exact articles. Perhaps you could try Trove and see what they come up with. One source was from Lizmacca on Ancestry who was James Francis Heaney's 2x gr granddaughter. Perhaps you know her and can contact her? cheers Jill
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Hi Emily, I have been going through my records and came across the following on the Heaney children:
"Launceston Advertiser 2 September 1841. Quarter Sessions. James Heaney, a youth of about 12 years of age, was charged with the misdemeanour of assaulting John Radley on 27 May last. Mr Atkinson, who appeared for the defendant, objected to the information, on the grounds that it was signed by ex Attorney General Edward McDowell Esq instead of Mr Horne. There was no such person in existence as Edward McDowell Attorney General of Van Dieman's Land. Mr Kennedy contended that the objection was not valid, since the information was upon the files of the court prior to Mr McDowell's suspension. The court decided that the objection was valid, and the defendant was subsequently discharged. Occupation Splitter and labourer."
Also attached to this information was the following:
"Sometime between 1842 and 1857, James Heaney changed his name to Smith. A family story says that he got into some trouble in Sydney and had to change his name. The Victorian Police records show a James Smith, born 1830 in Van Dieman's Land, arrived per the David around 1847 and he has brothers in the colony. It could refer to the above mentioned James Smith. Death - died at Picnic Point, Bairnsdale. Picnic point is the north-western corner of Bairnsdale, totally within the town, and going down to the Mitchell River. In 1897 the main industry was C.J. Goodman's Picnic Point nursery, a large wholesale nursery mainly dedicated to rising fruit trees. The cause of death was bronchitis and cardiac disease (7 days). Adoption 1841 Queens Orphanage, Hobardtown. James Heaney 14 years, parents dead, admitted 7 September 1841, discharged 24 January 1842. Louisa Heaney, 7 years, admitted 8 September 1841, discharged 24 January 1842. James baptism 15 Feb 1829 at Roman Catholic Church, Hobart. Baptitus est Jacobus. Parentibus: Ricardo Heaney et Maria Anna Cooper. Sponsoribus: Jacobo Brennan et Margarita McMahon. Cemetery/Burial 03/10/1897. Buried at Bairnsdale cemetery. Godparents: James Brennan and Margaret McMahon."
How interesting that James and Louisa were put in an orphanage for 4 months. I suppose her sister, Charlotte needed the time to get to Tasmania and there was no where else for them to go. How very sad.
I hope this gives a little more substance for you.
cheers
Jill
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Hi everyone! I've just stumbled across this message board and wanted to say hello & to share my 5 cents worth I guess...
Charlotte Montague Heaney & William Long were my 3 x great grandparents. I have been going through of the research my mum had done & we've found that Charlotte & Wiiliam were married on 24 January 1842 - the same day that James & Louisa were removed from the orphange. So I'm guessing that Charlotte had to prove she could take care of & provide her siblings with a stable life?? Charlotte & William were married in Hobart & moved to NSW around 1852.
But there seems to be another sibling unaccounted for. Catherine Heaney would have been 8 or 9 when her parents died, but I couldn't find her name in the list of children admitted to the orphanage. I wonder what happened to her?
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Thanks for this info Leanne. I too have Catherine on my tree and from information gathered over the years it appears she died in Sydney in 1865 from natural causes. It appears she wasn't married and I wonder what her life must have been like . . . . guess we'll never know. I have searched Ancestry but couldn't find anything and maybe Catherine might just have to be a mystery.
cheers
Jill
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I too have Catherine on my tree and from information gathered over the years it appears she died in Sydney in 1865 from natural causes. It appears she wasn't married
The friends of Mr Robert Heany are invited to attend the funeral of his deceased wife, to move from his residence, William and Bourke Streets this Wednesday…. SMH 17 May 1865
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13113044
NSW BDM has a new option available (from about mid 2014 from memory), so you can drill down and determine date of the BDM event. Catherine HEANEY died Sydney aged 39 years #555/1865. The date of that death seems to be 16 May 1865.
NSW BDM death registrations include details about the deceased and the deceased's family history .... so while the index is suggesting there's no info about her parents, may I suggest it will show her status, and name of any husband, and details of children of the marriage, and of course, as it will include the equivalent of a burial order, it will note the cemetery and the Rev'd and the funeral director too. It will also provide details about the informant and their relationship to the deceased. The details will also include cause of death and duration of illness and the name of the medico certifying that information.
Cheers, JM
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Now hasn't that taught me a lesson! ;D I just assumed that Catherine Heaney was the daughter of Richard and Mary Ann Heaney (Heany). I didn't even think about a wife of one of the boys. AND I actually have Robert's wife as Catherine Fitzpatrick on a tree I keep aside from Ancestry. So maybe Catherine b 1832 died prior to the two children going into the orphanage. One of her sister's, Mary Ann died on 13 Aug 1841 and her father, Richard died only 7 days later on 21 Aug 1841. Both died from Consumption or TB. Perhaps Catherine also suffered the same fate. I can't find much else of Catherine. cheers Jilly
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Hi Attached is the marriage of James Smith to Maria Jane Bond. It shows father as Richard Smith and mother as Mary Ann Cooper. I am inclined to start looking for why he changed his name what went wrong. I had been told a story about the Heaney family (hence the link to working out James' original name) by my grandmother as she knew my grandfathers sister (my great aunt) as Muriel Jane Heaney McCann. She said what she new of the family they had originated from Sydney but she didn't know if it was Charlotte's parents or grandparents. My grandmother lived with Charlotte in the early years of her marriage to my grandfather. So I am guessing she new a little bit about the family. She use to say the where a bit dodgy lol. So I am trying to see if he got into any trouble in Tasmania and that is why he came to Victoria and changed his name so he wouldn't be found.
Take what you want from this as I know that some don't agree with my theory on all this but my nan and I did not know about the change of name at the time so the information from her would have been what she knew.
If you have any questions am happy to help with what I have.
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In the lower right hand corner.......bride and groom....then in the presence of..........what are these names? Is one of the names SMITH?
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Hi Emily, well done. It would appear that James/Jacobus Heaney/Smith might just be the dodgy member of our huge family. I certainly think all adds up to James being the son of Richard Heaney and Mary Ann Cooper. Just as an aside, you might be interested in a book I recently read which involves Robert Cooper, his family and Juniper House. The fictional book is Opal Dragonfly by Julian Leatherdale and gave quite an interesting picture of the lives our ancestors lead in Sydney in the mid 1800s. cheers Jilly
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Thanks ladies, I have been reading about my ancestry, can't say researching as I am not that skilled. Wm Long m. Charlotte Montague Heaney was also my great-great-grandfather through a Long patrilineal line. Wm-Wm-AWR-Kevin-me.
The Heaney line gives the connection into Robert "Black Bob" Cooper. Mary Ann Cooper m. Richard Heaney - she was the daughter of Robert Cooper and Mary Ann Cowley. So the first of his abt 23 children with three wives. He was transported in 1813, which is the year Mary Ann Cowley died (abt). And then he went onto boom and bust.
I am interested in finding a connection between CM Heaney Long and her grandfather. Wondering if the move to NSW from Tasmania related to this. I think the house she lived (died) in was called Brisbane Water and the Cooper Distillery was the Brisbane Distillery. Anyway, just ranting, I am on my journey now and will keep looking. Just wishing to connect into your thread.