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Title: Mother of the Bride
Post by: NZ Kimmie on Thursday 08 November 12 04:55 GMT (UK)
Can anyone please help me work out if the Mother of the Bride is the lady in the bottom left of the Picture. They were Irish immigrants to NZ and the photo is taken 1911.  The White veil style things on her dress make me feel like it could be brides mother. Also she looks like shes dark skinned but shes not. It must be a veil on her hat that is giving that appearance.
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: Wiggy on Thursday 08 November 12 05:28 GMT (UK)
It does look as if she has a spotted veil over her face doesn't it. I've enlarged it to 330% and can't see other signs of veil so maybe it is just dirt - very hard to tell really   Seem to be too many spots only on her face (and one on the lady behind) for it to be other than veil  . . . . Hmmmm

Very odd those white things - never seen them before.

Nice photo!

Sorry, can't answer your question re relationship though!   ;)

Wiggy 
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: NZ Kimmie on Thursday 08 November 12 05:34 GMT (UK)
I'm not sure I would call those white things nice.... but thank you for your comment.
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: Wiggy on Thursday 08 November 12 05:37 GMT (UK)
No     ::)

- but the photo in general is!!    ;D
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: mahalia on Thursday 08 November 12 05:45 GMT (UK)
Those white pleated fan things on her shoulders look like the little posy arrangements that some brides decorate the ends of the pews facing into the aisle with - like pleated white paper doilies usually with a few little silk flowers attached and ribbons to match the bridesmaids dresses.  Why she would be wearing such things on each shoulder is beyond me - she looks like she's barracking for her favourite footy team.

I think the spots on her face are her hat veil.

Is she the mother of the bride??? Just a thought but is she the mother of the groom? - surely is she belonged to the bride she would have been sitting on the brides side of the photo

Cheers

Maureen
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: NZ Kimmie on Thursday 08 November 12 05:53 GMT (UK)
Maureen I never realised there was a brides and grooms side in photos. The groom is the one in the white waistcoat and not the man with dark hair beside her. (which is the one I originally thought he was the groom)

Yes they certainly are strange and it made me wonder if they were an irish custom or maybe she was in mourning and just put them on to look a little more in the wedding theme.
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: NZ Kimmie on Thursday 08 November 12 06:02 GMT (UK)
No     ::)

- but the photo in general is!!    ;D

Thankyou . I was very happy to receive this photo today because even if we cant work out the mother of the bride, the bride herself and the bridesmaids sitting down are both my Great Grand Aunts. A treasure we never thought to find.
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 08 November 12 07:17 GMT (UK)
My view, before you confirmed who the groom was,  is from L-R

Grandparents, father, mother, bride, groom, best man.
young girl sitting looks similar to the mother so possibly sister of the bride but no clue who the young man sitting on the right could be.
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: NZ Kimmie on Thursday 08 November 12 07:36 GMT (UK)
jc26red I probably would have thought exactly the same but the Grandparents didnt immigrate with the family. 
I'm beginning to wonder if the dark haired man beside the bride is her brother that could be giving her away. They look very similar dont you think.

And yes the younger bridesmaid sitting down is the brides sister. That much is definite.
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 08 November 12 09:17 GMT (UK)
In which case, was there any uncles living in New Zealand at the same time? or maybe its someone's employer and his wife.  Was the bride in service prior to marriage?
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: Wiggy on Thursday 08 November 12 09:28 GMT (UK)
although that gent on the left has grey hair, he doesn't look very old, to my way of thinking - so I reckon he could be father - don't think the woman in front look too old either - so I think  they could be parents. 

Wiggy 
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: NZ Kimmie on Thursday 08 November 12 09:34 GMT (UK)
Sorry but I dont know the answer to either of those questions :(
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: NZ Kimmie on Thursday 08 November 12 09:40 GMT (UK)
although that gent on the left has grey hair, he doesn't look very old, to my way of thinking - so I reckon he could be father - don't think the woman in front look too old either - so I think  they could be parents. 

Wiggy 

You might be onto something there.
It was suggested by the person that passed the picture on, that man with grey hair on the left was possibly the father. But it was just guess work .  The woman in the front sitting down is 26 even tho I think she looks younger .
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: cazza59 on Thursday 08 November 12 12:52 GMT (UK)
I'm with Maureen. I would have thought that tradition dictates that the brides family is to the left (as in her left).    I've tried to find evidence that this is how photos were posed, but haven't been able to find anything as yet.



Caroline

Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 08 November 12 13:40 GMT (UK)
yes thats possible, along with the traditional photo order there could also be one with just brides family and/or one with just grooms family.  Without other photos to compare likenesses I don't think you are going to be any nearer finding out who they are for definite. 
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: NZ Kimmie on Thursday 08 November 12 19:51 GMT (UK)
Well I dont know if it will help in anyway but I have this picture of the Groom's 2nd marriage. The brides mother was no longer alive.I am wondering if the lady on the right of the bride could be her grandmother which would be the same as the brides mother in the 1st photo.
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: Wiggy on Thursday 08 November 12 19:59 GMT (UK)
Are you sure it isn't a matron-of-honour or something - with that huge bunch of flowers??     :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: NZ Kimmie on Thursday 08 November 12 20:03 GMT (UK)
Thats totally possible WiggyHobbes. The only two I know in the picture are the bride and groom.
But when the 1st wife died the groom married his wifes niece. (his niece by marriage).  I really have no idea who the older lady is.
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: Kiwitaylor on Thursday 08 November 12 20:31 GMT (UK)
...The groom is the one in the white waistcoat and not the man with dark hair beside her. (which is the one I originally thought he was groom.

The white waiste coat man in photo 1 looks like the same person seated in photo 2. The man standing next to the brides right looks like the same person in both photos, ??groom??

I dont think the older woman in both photos really look like the same person.
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: NZ Kimmie on Thursday 08 November 12 20:37 GMT (UK)
Ok Im a little lost. Is the man u are referring to as the possible groom from photo 1, the one sitting on the bottom left of the picture ????
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: Kiwitaylor on Thursday 08 November 12 20:47 GMT (UK)
Ok Im a little lost. Is the man u are referring to as the possible groom from photo 1, the one sitting on the bottom left of the picture ????

No just im my opinion the one in grey waiste coat (light hair) standing in photo 1 to bride left looks like same person seated in photo 2 bottom left.
The one in both photos on the bride's right looks like same person (dark wavy hair).

It is only my opinion by looking at features and they would of matured (filled out) a bit over the timeframe. I could be totally wrong. Sorry to confuse anyone.
Title: Re: Mother of the Bride
Post by: NZ Kimmie on Thursday 08 November 12 21:00 GMT (UK)
Actually u could be right there kiwitaylor

That would then make them family of the groom in first picture.  Because the Groom is the only common denominator in each picture.

I am begging to wonder if the people that passed these pictures onto me have worked it out wrong. Unfortunately the person I received them from received them from someone else and where they came from before that is anyones guess.