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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: Kingseat on Monday 05 November 12 03:24 GMT (UK)
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Trying to find my great grandfather James CURRAN (2) baptised on 22nd February 1858 by Fr Charles Montague in Mull(a/i)nahoe, Parish of Ardboe. Sponsors are listed as Hugh Donnelly and Margaret Quinn. James's parents were James CURRAN (1) and Margaret DONNELLY.
James CURRAN (2) migrated to GLASGOW and married Bridget MCCAFFERTY (of Lanark) in 1883. He died August 1930 less than 2 years after Bridget. They had 9 or 10 children of whom only 3 survived and only 1 (my grandmother) gave birth to any children.
Any information would be greatly appreciated :)
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There is a James Curran who married Margaret Donnelly in Arboe parish on 6th November 1856.
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Wow, that could be them! My grandmother knew little of her father's heritage so we don't even know if James had any brothers or sisters. How did you find out about the marriage?
Thanks so much for a quick response.
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I've sent you a personal message. :)
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There is a marriage between a James Curran and a Margaret Donnelly in Glasgow but the date is 17 Jan.1862-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTBP-XZG
The same site also lists children whose parents are the same names- might be another couple but worth keeping in mind-
Elizabeth born 9 Sept.1862
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ3F-VD7
Susan born 29 Nov.1862 Milton
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQQV-SS7
Eliza Ann born 13 Jan.1865 Milton
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ63-8WG
James born 10 Jan.1866 Eastwood
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQXL-J3L
Catherine born 21 Mar.1868
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ3V-C72
Daniel Donnelly born 27 Aug.1870
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ5L-72N
James born 12 Sept.1873
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQNX-T8N
Joseph Andrew born 26 Feb.1881 Gorbals
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTXD-CB6
If the first two dates are correct it would seem that there are at least 2 James Currans married to a Margaret Donnelly
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Briefly checking a few Scottish records find the following-
1901 Census- 168 South Wellington St.
James Curran 60 Ireland tailor; wife Margaret 58 Ireland; James 27 Glasgow; Joseph Andrew 20; John 16.
20 years earlier this family give more exact birthplace-
1881 Census- 92 Govan St.
James Curran 40 Co.Donegal tailor; wife Margaret 40; Patrick 19 Donegal; Catherine 13; Daniel 11; James 7;Margret 5; Mary 2; Joseph Andrew 5 weeks.
James CURRAN (2) migrated to GLASGOW and married Bridget MCCAFFERTY (of Lanark) in 1883.
What is listed for father's occupation on the marriage certificate?
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At the time of James (b1858) and Bridget's marriage Sep 1883 in Glasgow, James Curran (the father) was alive and working as an engineer labourer but the mother Margaret Curran (nee Donnelly) was deceased. I don't know whether James's parents came to live in Glasgow or not but now I'm thinking they might as Susan was a very popular Curran name and Milton is the area most of them came from!
It's exciting that I might have a breakthrough and all thanks to your help which is much appreciated.
Many thanks and I'll post if and when I know more :-)
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Removing the children of James Curran (tailor) from the list I posted earlier leaves these births as possibilities-
Elizabeth born 9 Sept.1862
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ3F-VD7
Susan born 29 Nov.1862 Milton
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQQV-SS7
Eliza Ann born 13 Jan.1865 Milton
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ63-8WG
James born 10 Jan.1866 Eastwood
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQXL-J3L
Suggest next stage would be to see if you can find any of these children in Scottish census records to find parents' names. Also, check to see if you can find your James & Margaret in census records.
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Ardboe, Co Tyrone, RC parish marriage register –
6 November 1856
James Curan and Margt Donnelly
Witnesses: Mark McUsker and John McUsker
There are two entries in the baptismal register –
22 February 1858
Jas of Jas Correran and Margt Donnelly
Sponsors: Hugh Donelly and Catherine Quin
26 February 1860
Hugh of Jas Curran and Margt Donnelly
Sponsors: Jas and Susanne Donaughy
There is no further record of James or Hugh Curran in the Ardboe registers.
The earliest Curran baptisms in the register (which begins November 1827) are –
27 October 1832
Hugh of Hugh(?) Carron and Catherine Lapsley
5 April 1840
Margaret of James Carron and Catherine Lapsley
11 September 1842
Felix of James Carren and Catherine Lapsley
The address of the above is the townland of Turkvallon (now Trickvallen) in Ardboe parish.
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Hi Pat,
James and Hugh are the ones I'm related to. The family must have moved to Glasgow soon after Hugh's birth as they all appear in the 1861 Scottish census. James and Margaret Curran also had two daughters, Susan b1862 d1864 and Eliza Ann b1865 d1865. Margaret died in Oct 1868, from breast cancer, aged 32 years.
I can trace brothers James and Hugh all the way from there but I'm a bit stuck with their father James. He is still alive and living with Hugh (never remarried it seems) and his family in 1891 but he is not living with them in 1901. I can't make out his age on the 1891 register and his age is not consistent in previous census records. It does look as though he was about 10 years older than his wife Margaret but regardless, I cannot find any record of his death in Scotland.
I have tried searching for his birth in Irish records and/or getting more information about his marriage in 1856 but to no avail. I'd like to know when he was born and the names of his parents. Did he have any siblings?
Regards his wife Margaret, I have names of her parents from her death certificate. They are James Donnelly and Margaret Dowdell but again, I'm struggling to find their origin in Ireland. At the time of Margaret's death in 1868, her father is deceased, listed as an agricultural labourer and her mother is still alive. I've searched for her parents in Scotland on the basis that they may have moved there when she did. Perhaps she had siblings who remained in Ireland?
Thanks so much for your help. I'd have struggled to get this far without your input.
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Civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864- for earlier dates you'll need to see if baptism from church records exists.
Registration of Catholic marriages also started in 1864 so it looks as though the 1856 marriage will only be found in church records which usually show little detail.