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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Warwickshire => England => Warwickshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: monna on Thursday 01 November 12 19:58 GMT (UK)
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Need help find info on John Syner, married Abagail. I know of one son Henry L Syner b. Apr.1825, married Mary Thornicroft 20 Oct. 1845. Would love any infor on John and Abagail, marriage, children, etc. I am having problems finding were to get info in England. Thanks.
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A quick look at the Warwickshire burial index reveals that the records for the SYNER family are probably recorded at St Martin, Birmingham.
Victor
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Any idea how I can view these? Thanks.
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A good start would be to google Federation of Family History Societies (FFHS). On their website you can locate the nearest FHS located to your data request.
FHSs are a valuable resource, usually manned by keen volounteers who will often do a free lookup.
They may also have a CD available, usually for a few pounds.
Good hunting!
Victor
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St.Martin's:
Christening:
Thomas b.30/10/1822/add:B'ham Heath/father's occ:boat builder.
Ann b.9/10/1828/ditto.
Deaths:
George d.9/7/1820/Islington/aged 3 months.
William d.25/12/1826/B'ham Heath/aged 6.
Parents:John & Abigail Syner.
See also:
http://billdargue.jimdo.com/placenames-gazetteer-a-to-y/places-b/birmingham-heath/
http://billdargue.jimdo.com/placenames-gazetteer-a-to-y/places-i/islington/
They may also have a CD available, usually for a few pounds.
£80 !
Edit:Do you have Henry Syners marriage cert?
jim
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Hi there,
Birmingham comes under the Birmingham and Midland Genological Society who have lots of CD's and computer downloads on offer.
I can't find a burial for Abigail but it is possible this is the family in 1851 at Sheepcote st Birmingham.
John Syner 53 boat builder Bridgnorth
Ann 52 Birmingham
Henry Calburt 19 s in law (perhaps step son) glass blower Birmingham
Hermonie Syner daughter 13 Birmingham
Charles Winsor son 12 Birmingham
John Syner 9 son Birmingham
The Winsor family had been at the same address in 1841.
Ann Winsor 40 washerwoman y
Thomas 15 cabinet maker's apprentice y
Harriet 12 ? y
Henry 9
Charles 2
They married at Birmingham(familysearch has no church )22.10.1854 John 56 widower s of James Syner and Mary Ann Windsor 52 widow d of Joseph Ordich.You can buy the marriage cert with GRO reference Birmingham 6d 7.You might also want to buy John Syner's birth cert Dec 1841 Birmingham 16 262 to find his mother who I would assume is Abbigail.
There is a baptism for a John Synar s of James and Elizabeth at St Mary Bridgnorth 29.3.1796.Brother Thomas 14.4.1776, William 3.6.1781,Henry Piggott 11/9/1785,Edward 27.3.1788,Mary 712.1793 and Hester 7.3.1784 buried 19.10.1785.It seems all the brothers came to Birmingham and you may want to check them out on the censuses.
Again I'm afraid I can't spot the parents marriage.Will keep digging
Ciderdrinker
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Ciderdrinker just beat me to it.Abigail died 1849.
I think all the B'ham Syners are related.Edward & Henry are there at the same time as John.
1851
Sheepcote St.
John Syner/53/boat builder/Bridgnorth Salop
Ann/52/B'ham
Henry Calburt?/W/son-in-law/B'ham
Hermoine Syner/13/B'ham
Charles Winsor/12/B'ham
John Syner/9/B'ham
HO107/2051/68/17
jim
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Hi there and Sorry Jim
Brothers info
Henry Piggott Syner and Mary ann :- children Birmingham St Martin's James born 20.4.1816 and Mary ann born 19.1.1819 baptised 28.8.1820.Henry Senior buried 24.9.1826 age 41.
Edward married Elizabeth Frances Aston Justa 23.5.1823 and following children
George 30.8.1824,buried 13.2.1825
Eliza 4.12.1827 bapt 4.4.1828
Edward 29.8./28.12 1829
Ann Maria 20.12.1835 bapt 28.12.1836
James 21.1.bap12.2.1838 buried 29.7.1838
Elizabeth 14.8.1839 bap 14.8.1840
Sarah inf buried 2.6.1842.
Edward may also have had a first wife Sarah as a child Elizabeth was baptised 23.7.1815 St Mary Bridgenorth.
In 1841 they are in Milk St Digbeth
Edward 40 ? smith y died mar 1848 Birmingham Edward Seyner 16 296
Elizabeth 40 y
Caroline 15
Edward 12
Joseph 8
Eliza 10
Ann 6
Elizabeth 1
1851 Oxford St
Elizabeth 49 wid Birmingham remmaried West Bromwich mar 1857 Thomas Harbourne jeweller b1808
Edward 21 stamper
Joseph 17 same
Ann Maria 15 pricer
Betsey 11 same
John 7
James Brodie lodger 22 wid stamper Birmingham.
Ciderdrinker
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Bridgnorth Burgess list(made Freemen on these dates) for Syner.
Thomas/1732
James/1774/listed as a bricklayer
Thomas/1802
James/1840
Henry Pigot/1805
Variations:Sinair/Sinar/Syner/Synar
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Wow! I can believe the number of responses. Thanks to everyone. I am trying to digest it all. Henry L Syner and Mary Thornicroft were married October 20, 1845 Aston, Juxta, Birminham, Warwickshire, England.
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From what I know, Henry L and Mary Thornicroft had two children in B'ham before coming to the US. Joseph John B. 24 DEC 1846 and Henry A. b. 12 OCT 1852. Searching for other possible children they may have had before leaving B'ham.
I have no idea what Abagail's surname is. Did John and Abagail have other children than Henry L. I believe you found some according to the above messages. Now just try to put things together. Again, many thanks.
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John appears to have been made a Freeman of Bridgnorth in 1826,probably on the basis his father was before him.
John's father James appears on the list as "James his son" which was normal if the father was as well.The only other Syner + derivitives is Thomas Syner made in 1732 which is probably James' father.
jim
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Jim, what does Freeman of Bridgnorth mean? Thanks. Can we be pretty sure these names are attached to Henry L?
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A Freeman of anywhere meant you were allowed to vote in the Parliamentary elections.It also meant you were exempt from paying local tolls.From being a Freeman you could also be elected to Parochial posts,bailiffs.aldermen etc.
Are you sure Henry is of this family?Do you have his marriage cert. stating John as his father?
jim
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No I don't. I was going by records found on Family Search which states John Syner as father and Abagail as mother. Also on Find a Grave they indicate John Syner /Abigail Unknown.
For Henry's wife, Mary Thornicroft, her death certificate shows her father as joseph Thornicroft, Birmingham England, mother unknown.
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I've looked on IGI but can't see Henry,anyway as you have the MI would confirm John as father.
If there's anything else just shout up.
jim
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Thanks Jim. If you happened to find anything on Mary Thornicroft Syner Please let me know. dob 16 FEB 1829 father's name Joseph, mother, unknown. Married 20 OCT 1845 Aston, Juxta, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England.
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What are some websites I can use to follow-up on Syner and Thornicroft? It's confusing.
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Good Morning
Only possible baptism I can see for Mary is at Hanley Staffordshire.23.2.1828 to Joseph and Martha.
Other children at Hanley Martha 21.1.1829 ,Thomas Leigh 2.2.1829, Ralph Leigh 22.11.1830,Sarah Anne 19.11.1833 and Sarah 2.8.1835.They married at Stoke on Trent 25.6.1827,her name Martha Deavill.
They do indeed move to Ladywood Birmingham and are at Ryland St in 1851
Martha 47 widow Staffordshire
Ralph son 20 cooper same
Joseph 18 engine driver same
Samuel 15 glass blower
William 14 wood turner same
Elizabeth 7 Warwickshire
In 1841 they had been in Witham St
Martha 30 dress maker n
Mary 13n
Martha 12 n
Ralph 11 n
Joseph 10 n
Samuel 5 n
William 3 n.(unfortunately Joseph is not with them)Martha seems to die in Dec 1859 Birmingham 6d 35.
Try Familysearch website for earlier generations .
Ciderdrinker
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Thanks for the information ciderdrinker. Are you saying that the other children would be Mary's siblings? Also, what is the number after their names? What the "n" stand for? If the numbers are their ages they don't seem to add up? I can't thank everyone enough for all your efforts.
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In 1841 the census asks the question if born in County,in this case Warwickshire & the answer would be Y or N.As you can see they all answer n for no which is correct as they were born in Staffs.
Also in 1841 ages for people over 15 were rounded down to the nearest five years so Martha would be aged 30-34.
Like Ciderdrinker I can't find any other Mary with a father Joseph born around the right time so this is probably her.
No relationship was given in 1841 so one has to make the assumption that they are siblings.
IGI has them in Hanley,parents Joseph & Martha.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0s17/
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Martha didn't die in 1859 as she appears in 1861 Ladywood B'ham
Martha Thornicroft/w/57/housekeeper/Hanley Staffs.
Joseph/29/u/striker/Hanley
Elizabeth/19/u/burnisher/B'ham
Mary/5/Grand Dau./B'ham
8Ct. 3H. Ryland St.
RG9/2130/49/38
This is probably her death.
Mar.1870/B'ham/6d/22/aged 64.
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Gee, not sure on Mary Thornicroft. According to her grave stone she was born 16 FEB 1829. The Mary here was baptised 23 Feb 1828 a year before she was born. Any thoughts?
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An anomoly certainly but IGI is a guide only & there's no substitute for viewing the Parish Registers.The transcriber could be right or could be a year out also the person supplying the information on the gravestone.
The Mary Ciderdrinker found is the only one in B'ham & she does have a father Joseph.
As Joseph doesn't appear in the census we don't know his occupation which might help.
Mary's marriage cert. will give it & Elizabeth's 1843 birth cert.If the same then it's unlikely to be any other family.
jim
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What is the easiest way for me to get a marriage certificate?
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PS.... I live in the United States. Thanks.
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you can order BMD certs. online from the GRO:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
You need Mary's marriage & Elizabeth's birth as she's the link to Joseph.
You need to quote the name;registration district;the year;the quarter & the ref. no.
Mary's marriage is Dec.1845/Aston/16/382
Elizabeth Thornicroft's birth is March 1843/Birmingham/16/284
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Thanks. If I need the conversion can you help me?
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Do you mean conversion from $ to £?
If so your credit card co. will do it automatically.
jim
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Any clue how expensive it is?
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£9.25 per. cert.There may be additional fees for sending overseas.
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I have the following on the Syners of Bridgnorth:
James (bricklayer - son of Thomas carpenter?) = Elizabeth
Thomas 1776 (shoemaker Stourport)
James 1777 (bricklayer Norton)
Robert 1780
William 1781 = ?Jane Sturney (1815)
Hester 1784
Hugh Pigot 1785 (tailor of Birmingham)
Edward 1788 (bricklayer) = Sarah Tumkis (1812 Chelmarsh)
Elizabeth 1815
James ? (Worfield) = Ann Evans
Henry Pigot 1842
Mary Ann 1844
Mary 1793
John 1796 (boat builder of Ladywood, Birmingham)
I only have this as a sideline as I am related to the Syners of Benthall / Broseley just up the river from Bridgnorth.
Peter
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Hi! They definitely came to Birmingham from Bridgnorth; I've been researching the Birmingham Siners for some time but only just subscribed to Rootschat so sorry for being late in the day here!
John married Abigail Newhouse 31 Jan 1820 in Aston Juxta (St Peter's/St Paul's). I've found a christening record for John son of James Sinar and Elizabeth (Winwood) in St Mary's Bridgnorth 29 Mar 1796; possibly the youngest of 8 children; one of his brothers was Hugh Pigot Siner. The Pigot middle name appears to have been carried on down the generations.
Not all the Birmingham Siners are directly related; I'm still trying to find the first marriage and origins of Joseph Syner who was in Birmingham from 1786. The only baptism record I've found for him is in Tewkesbury in 1759 - even further away than Bridgnorth! There was also a family from Wolverhampton who lived in Henrietta Street Birmingham in the 1820s, who may be related to the Old Swinford (Stourbridge) Syners.
Hope this helps!
Glyn
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I've just been looking at this thread again and I think Ciderdrinker's information on Edward Syner's marriage to Elizabeth Francis, and the census records on this family in Milk Street (1841) and Oxford Street (1851) do not relate to Edward Syner (b 1788 in Bridgnorth) but to Edward son of Joseph and Susanna, baptised 1.8.1803 St Philip's Church, Birmingham. Edward's father Joseph, lived several streets away in Floodgate Street. I don't think Edward (Bridgnorth) went to Birmingham with his brothers.