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Hi
I am trying to find out what happened to her. She married Woolmer Richard Cubitt probably in Erpingham, Norfolk. They had at least four sons - Richard Woolmer (abt 1810), Joseph Primrose (abt 1813), Fleetwood (abt 1815) and Frederick (1820). Woolmer and 3 of sons (Richard, Fleetwood and Frederick) emigrated to Upper Canada, settling in Bowmanville, about 1830. No idea if Mary and Joseph emigrated, too, remained in England (alive) or remained in England (dead). Frederick did go back to Norfolk at least once (to get married) but never any suggestion that there was any of his family left there.
Does anyone know? Or can anyone point me to where I should be looking?
Thanks!
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I think it is possible that Mary died before 1830, there are several possible burials on family search, the most likely being 1827?
Colin
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Thank you! :)
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ok ....found this - which you don`t have ...either Mary was known as NANCY - or Mary had died by 1815
Hatai D Cubitt christened 29th July 1815 at Erpingham ,Norfolk
father Woolmer Richard Cubitt and NANCY
Richard John Churchill Cubitt christened 23rd november 1810 at Erpingham ,Norfolk
parents Woolmer Richard Cubitt and Mary
so the decision is down to you ...why does Mary become Nancy 5 years after their first born ....is she another wife - or is Nancy a nickname ??...
I presume HATAI should be Hattie ?
I couldn`t find any other details except Frederick Cubitt marriage to Rebecca Woods 10th march 1852 ay Oulton,Suffolk - father Woolmer R Cubitt .....so - you state Frederick went back to Norfolk to get married ...this is the wrong info because he married in Suffolk ...so - did the family move from Norfolk to Suffolk ?
a lot of info to take in ...but your main research should now be ...did Mary die and Woolmer re-married ...or maybe now you should be looking for a death of Nancy Cubitt
good luck
allan
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marriage
Woolmer Richard Cubitt to Mary Churchill 17th january 1810 ,Erpingham ,Norfolk
allan
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Mary Cubitt died 1855 registered in St Faith is the only Norfolk death I could find but no age given ...maybe someone else can find out her age ?
AHA....looks like Mary was from SUFFOLK .....so maybe Frederick went back to his mums to to get married...the PRIMROSE middle name of Joseph points to this being Mary Cubitts ( Churchill ) baptism
Mary Churchill christened 3rd April 1788 at Frostenden, Suffolk ,England - parents Joseph Dixie Churchill and Sarah Primrose
( Joseph Primrose Cubitt named after grandad and grandmother )
so how far is Oulton in Suffolk ( where Frederick got married ) to Frostenden ,Suffolk (where Mary was born )..I`ll bet they are close ...I would say that Mary went back to Suffolk to live ....so maybe look for her death in Suffolk ?
allan
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If this is your Mary ...she would have been 21 when she married ( almost 22) ...22 when Richard John Cubitt was born - and 64 when Richard married....if she was still alive ..
the Mary / Nancy thing is bugging me
do you have PROOF that Mary was the mother
Fleetwood Cubitt and Frederick Cubitt ?
allan
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http://archive.org/stream/parishregisterso00fros#page/80/mode/2up
fascinating reading...I haven`t got up to 1800`s , but you may find some info with a bit of luck ...I wish every parish kept records like this ..
allan
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The Registers may have writing that is hard to read as on FreeREG Joseph Primrose Cubitt's Baptism has his Mother transcribed as NARY, Mary/Nary/Nancy may look similar!
Woolmer Richard Cubitt's 1780 Baptism is there also + 1810 Marriage with Witnesses.
Trish :)
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Searching on British Newspaper Archives, the free results for Cubitt and Erpingham suggest that RW Cubbitt Esq (he seems to vary the order of his names) sold up in 1821 with some suggestion that he is going to a distant residence
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Allan -
Thanks so so much for your help! :) I feel like I have been thrown a life preserver!
This is what I know & what I have gleaned. Frederick Cubitt was my gggrandfather and I have two items with the name Mary Churchill on them - a sillhouette (oh, yes very helpful to determine what she looked like ;)) and a teeny Bible, inscribed, I think, with the date 1807 (it's someplace safe right now). I have a book on Bowmanville (where they settled in Canada) which says that the Cubitts' first residence was named Erpingham, after their ancestral home (or something to that effect) and lists the father and names three sons as having emigrated - no mention of a wife (of any name) or another son. Three of the four boys I mentioned are all listed in the Erpingham St Mary register 1813-1880 Baptism project with Woolmer (various spellings) and Mary as parents; the birthdate of the eldest,Richard Woolmer, I made a stab at from my Bowmanville book. I hadn't seen the other entries with Hatai/Hattie and I don't find them on the page nor anything with the name Nancy, I am afraid. So maybe I am looking at the wrong church records? It's just that Woolmer is a rather unusual name, so I thought I had hit pay dirt.
And yes, sorry, I knew that it was Oulton where Frederick & Rebecca were married. Her family (the Woods) were from there. I 'misspoke' in my typing!
It didn't occur to me that Mary might not have been from Erpingham because there was another Churchill (a Joseph Dixie) also listed in the forementioned St Mary birth register - maybe a brother, though, and not her father? I had assumed the family were from there (oops).
The name Frostenden was completely new to me and I am looking forward to scrabbling around in the parish register you so kindly linked! Just glancing at it, I already have seen names that I recognise. I also will have to check how far apart Oulton and Frostenden are.
Again, many many thanks! ;D
Daphne
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Thank you also Mabel and Trish!
I found that a Woolmer Richard Cubitt graduated from Glasgow in medicine in 1823, (listed on the Univeristy of Glasgow webpage, although in my Bowmanville book, his university was Edinburgh) so maybe that was why he was selling up? I just figured it was 'my' Woolmer Richard Cubitt, but maybe there were hordes of them trotting around?
I wonder what Mary thought of that?
Daphne :)
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There are a couple of trees on Ancestry with various bits of info on the Cubitts - it doesn't all have citations on it so the dependability of some if it is difficult to judge - eg one has a date of death for Mary in December 1870.
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Thanks also Mabel and Trish! :)
As far as selling up in 1821, I had found out that Woolmer Richard Cubitt graduated from the University of Glasgow with a degree in medicine (this from the UG webpage while my little book on Bowmanville says it was Edinburgh). So maybe that is why he sold up? I wonder what Mary (and the boys) did? Maybe she reestablished her life in Suffolk?
Daphne
Aaak - sorry - the computer had hung when I first pressed post and now I see I am repeating myself.
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Mabel -
:-[ - that's mine. I got the date off BMD. I am very new to this and didn't realise at first the value of writing down my sources.
Sorry because it means I will be perpetuating errors, no doubt.
Daphne
I should clarify that I had chosen that particular Mary Cubitt because she was the right age & right place, as far as I could tell.
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The Mary Cubitt born c 1790 who died Erpingham Reg District 1871 age 81 is the Wife of a William.
She is born Salthouse, Norfolk. She seems to be nee HIGH.
So not yours.
Trish :)
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Thanks so much Trish! My apologies to anyone I confused.
I will 'axe' that date from my tree as soon as I send this.
Oh well, another blunder! :) Not the first, no doubt not the last.
Daphne
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We've all done it ;D