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I am searching for information on Harley Turner who was born in Aston, Birmingham in June 1914. He was the son of my Grand Aunt, Mary Emma McGrath who married Harley Turner in Aston and their only child was Harley (junior).
Harley senior, some records have his name as Arley, had the middle name Llewelyn, and died in 1961, again in Birmingham.
Family stories have Harley junior as a paratrooper in WW2 with one saying he was a casualty in Crete, another saying at Arnhem. The CWGC website has no record of either. However, death records say that Harley Turner, born in 1914 died aged 74 in Aston in 1989.
I would be grateful for any information about Harley junior.
Mary Emma died in 1919 and Harley senior married again to Ethel Perry and for several years Harley junior was "adopted" by his mother's sister, Kathleen Dodd (nee McGrath) in Birkenhead.
Many thanks.
Jim McGrath
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MIght be a good idea to get his death cert, to see who the informant was.
Cant see a marriage for him.
Also worth looking to see if he left a will.
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Turner.H.C. Private 14429950 POW Stalag 12A No.075473
Turner.H.W. Private 3194639 POW Stalag 11B No.90385
Are to H Turner, who fought at Arnhem and were taken Prisoners, could be wounded, hence being named/mentioned as casualty?
Philip Reinders
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Is this the same person? Arley Llewellyn Turner b Dec 1891 to Alfred Charles Llewellyn Turner and Emma Bache, There is a Harley Llewellyn Turner d 1961 and buried at Witton Cemetery. This sounds like the Arley Llewellyn Turner, Senior you mention.
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I am the granddaughter of Harley Turner ( junior) of Aston Birmingham, Harley was married to Katherine ( nee Tomlinson) who died in 1980. They had one child a daughter born 1947 called Jean ( my mother) my mum had 2 daughters, myself and my sister. My grandad was a paratrooper and was injured breaking both ankles jumping out of a plane. Sadly my grandad died in 1989 aged 74 after an illness.
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Hello, thank you for your reply. Sorry to learn of your grandad passing back in 1989. My mother in law is Ida Phipps. Her mum is Cecilia Turner. Cecilia died back in the 1950s when Ida was a young girl. She never knew her mum's family just knew some names. She also had an aunt Ida Turner Horton to which she was named after. Ida is an only child, age 76 now. Her grand parents are Alfred Llewellyn Turner and Emma Bache. Love to hear from you.
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Thank you for your reply. Sadly we don't know much about our family tree/history as we've just started looking into it. Unfortunately my mother doesn’t recognise any of the names that you mentioned. My sister wondered if Alfred Llewellyn Turner could be my grandads Uncle or Grandfather. Do you think there could be a family connection?
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Thank you for your reply. Sadly we don't know much about our family tree/history as we've just started looking into it. Unfortunately my mother doesn’t recognise any of the names that you mentioned. My sister wondered if Alfred Llewellyn Turner could be my grandads Uncle or Grandfather. Do you think there could be a family connection?
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Hi
Harley LLewelyn Turner born 9.9.1890 Birmingham Buried Witton Cemetery 1961.
In 1939 he is living in the court houses back of Park Lane and a builders labourer.
1921 electoral roll Berners St
1924 -1926there is a Harley Turner living in a caravan in Saltly at Bankdale Road.
1927-29 Tower Road Aston.
1930 37 Norbiton Road with Edith.
1901 census 53 Unett St
Fred (Alfred LLewelyn )33 silversmith born Coventry
Emma 33 born Handsworth
(H)Arley 10 Birmingham
Arlene (actually Jessie) 8
Fan (actually Ida) 4 daughter
Reginald 6 mths. (born 10.10.1900)
Other children Edith 28.5.1903 while at 32 Church Vale Birmingham
Cecillia Dec qtr 1908
In 1891 his parents were at 33 Carver St.
His father's full name was Alfred Charles LLewelyn turner bapt 14.6.1871 at Coventry parents 2 Cherry ST Alfred and Martha Turner watch maker
So it looks like Alfred LLewelyn Turner you know is Harley LLewelyn Turner's father.
His parenst married at Coventry Holy Trinity 17.6.1866 (Alfred was actually born 1867 and baptised latter)
Fred Turner 20 watch engine turner Bishop st s if John Trimmer/Tremlett Turner iron moulder
Martha Harrison 19 trimmings maker Bishop St Joseph Harrison weaver
wit Treaside Clarke and Mary Ludford.
The couple moved to Belfast by 1901 and to Blackpool where Alfred died 12.10.1924 at 17 Kent Road.Strangely he is buried in Belfast City Cemetery.Martha is also there 17.9.1939 age 92.
Ciderdrinker
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Thank you for all that information, I really am grateful. My grandfather was also Harley Turner born in 1914 to Arley/Harley Turner and Mary Emma McGrath, Mary Emma died in 1919 and my grandfather aged 5 was raised by Mary’s twin sister Kathleen in Birkenhead Liverpool. We also have a connection to Norah Turner ( Lady Norah Docker) but I’ve not been able to find out the connection. My mum remembers as a child my grandfather taking about Lady Docker but can’t remember who she was in connection to my grandfather.
I really appreciate the information you have provided.
Mandy