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Title: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Morisco on Wednesday 24 October 12 17:20 BST (UK)

Smith Raistrick 1818-1898 is my 3rd Great Grandfather.

I have quite a bit of material about the Raistrick family but am having more trouble with his wife's.  He married Maria Smith in 1838.  Her father was mentioned as John clothier of Idle, mother's name Sarah.

I am not currently able to link Maria to a John or a John/Sarah.

I have found a couple of likely John Sarah marriages in Idle and also one in nearby Bradford but nothing that proves a link to Maria.

There is also a John Smith of a suitable age in the 1841 and 1851 census but he is then a widower and living with his daughter Henrietta's family (the Oddy's).  Henrietta was also the daughter of a John and a Sarah and it would be tempting to see her as Maria's older sister if Smith was not such a frequent surname and Sarah had not been sych a popular first name at the time.

Any thoughts on where else to look for more corroboration?

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 24 October 12 17:45 BST (UK)

Could this be them?

Henrietta Smith b 1 Nov 1814 bapt 27 Nov 1814 Holy Trinity Idle
f John Clothier m Sarah abode Idle

Maria Smith b 28 May 1820 bapt 17 Sep 1820 Holy Trinity Idle   
F John Clothier m Sarah abode Simpson Green

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Morisco on Wednesday 24 October 12 18:09 BST (UK)

Thanks.

They could be but I found three different John Smith - Sarah marriages each of which has a date which would allow them to be parents of one or both of Maria and Henrietta.  What I am wondering is whether there might be some other means of corroborating a linkage between Maria and one of the these three Smith marriages when there are no census records showing sibling names together.

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 24 October 12 18:26 BST (UK)

Mm..

Not sure that this is going to help either way

More baptisms at Holy Trinity Idle
Perhaps there are two John & Sarah’s given the birth date
of Henrietta & Thos, father  John’s occupation Clothier

Thos Smith b 9 Apr bapt 22 May 1814 Holy Trinity Idle
F John Clothier m Sarah abode Idle

Mary Smith b 8 May bapt 21 May 1815
F John Clothier m Sarah abode Park Hill

26 Mar 1855 St Peter Bradford (Bradford Cathedral)
Thomas Smith age 43 Clothier f John Clothier
Married widow Martha Coates f Joseph Lee

Henrietta Smith married Ibbotson Oddy Delver
St Wilfrid Calverley on 10 Sep 1826
Both of this parish

So the Henrietta Smith baptism 1814 may be a little young to have married Ibbotson  :-\

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 24 October 12 18:35 BST (UK)

Perhaps the naming of Smith & Maria’s children may hold a clue - looks as if they
haven't named a dau Henrietta but they do have a son named Thomas

Sarah, THOMAS, Judith, Oliver, Matthew H, Joseph, Martha Ann, James S, Selina

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Morisco on Wednesday 24 October 12 18:38 BST (UK)

Thanks.

I think Henrietta was born several years earlier.  1803 I think just the baptism delayed to 1814.  These date issues also affected the census listing where the transcriber had put John down as younger than his daughter. There was a heavy mark across the age column making it hard to make out.

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 24 October 12 18:55 BST (UK)

I can see your dilemma especially as Henrietta Oddy has a dau named Maria on 1851 census and a dau named Sarah on 1841c

father in law John Smith's age looks to read 76

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Calverley Lad on Wednesday 24 October 12 18:56 BST (UK)

If you want to double check on Idle B/M/D records www.calverleyinfo.com
Look for Idle parish records once on site.
Or you can check via 'Vital Records Search'.
 Brian

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 24 October 12 19:04 BST (UK)

Quote from: Morisco on Wednesday 24 October 12 18:38 BST (UK)

I think Henrietta was born several years earlier.  1803 I think just the baptism delayed to 1814. 

Thanks to Brian that confirms born 1803

1814 11 27   
1803 11 01   Henrietta SMITH parents John    Clothier Sarah Idle

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Morisco on Wednesday 24 October 12 19:12 BST (UK)

Thanks.  Had not spotted Henrietta's children's names.  I was focusing on her and John.  They do provide a bit of corrobaration that the John living with Henrietta is related to Maria.

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 24 October 12 19:39 BST (UK)

 (non conformist)
Parish or Chapel Calverley

Ibbison 24 Feb 1804 Was born in Idle in the parish of Calverley 
Joshua 26 Jul 1805 was born in the township of Idle
Sarah 24 Jun 1808  “         “                  “
parents John Oddy & Hannah

13 Apr 1800 St Wilfrid Calverley
John Oddy
Hannah Ibbetson

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Sueann55 on Tuesday 15 October 13 20:36 BST (UK)

Hello
Smith Raistrick is my 3rd great uncle. I would love to hear from you and swop information on the family.

Title: Re: Which John Smith is related to Smith Raistrick
Post by: Calverley Lad on Tuesday 15 October 13 22:23 BST (UK)

Hi and welcome Sueann55
Before you can exchange information (via the personal message system) you have to have made 3 posts. (no private e mail addresses allowed to be displayed here on view)
 Brian