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Hello
I am seeking any information on the lineage of my great-grandmother
Hannah Eugenia Lane (Tailoress 24 Yrs), BD circa 1861 East Street, Lambeth London; DD Chatswood NSW circa 1928, 68 yrs
Her mother may have been Mary Coplin, and father may have been William Lane (bootmaker)
The attached photo is her married family with 5 chldren (taken circa 1904?):
she married Wilhelm Kölln on 28.3.1885
Thanks in advance
cairnswk
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Hi
FreeBMD Birth Index
June Quarter 1861
Lambeth Middlesex
Volume 1d Page 328
LANE Hannah Eugenia
Cheers
Karenlee
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Also...
Baptism Register
St Mary Lambeth
Lambeth
Hannah Eugenia daughter of William and Mary LANE of East Street. Baptised 19th May 1861. Father's Occupation Shoemaker
Sarah Elizabeth daughter of William and Mary LANE of N?? Street. Baptised 19th June 1859. Father's Occupation Shoemaker
Harriet daughter of William and Mary LANE of Wood's Buildings. Baptised 11th July 1866. Father's Occupation Shoemaker
Karenlee
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Marriage Register
St May Lambeth
Lambeth
29th June 1858
William LANE Jnr of full age Bachelor Shoe Maker of Lambeth Walk Father = William LANE a Turner
Mary COPLING of full age Spinster of Lambeth Walk Father = Thomas COPLING Dec a Farm Servant
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Edward POWELL and Elizabeth POWELL ( seems that these two were regular witnesses to marriages in this church as they appear on at least two other entries on this same day, so most likely not related to either bride or groom )
Cheers
Karenlee
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karenlee
thank-you so much for that information and the links to search further for more.
I am very much appreciative of your kindness.
best regards from downunder
cairnswk
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Since I found some references to the Kollns being in Canley Vale: could this be Hannah's mother's death in Australia in 1889?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13717842?searchTerm=%22Canley%20Vale%22%20%22William%20Lane%22
Also someone else looking for this family:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,471233.0.html
ETA: also at Hannah's death siblings Mrs Reimer, Mr and Mrs G Bell, Mr and Mrs G Lane are mentioned:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16488100?searchTerm=Hannah%20Kolln&searchLimits=
Mr and Mrs G Bell may be George R. Bell m. Susan M Lane in 1900; Susan M Lane b. 1878 Sydney parents William and Mary, suggesting that the Lane family came to NSW together, possibly when Hannah was a teenager or even earlier on.
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I have just had a look at William LANE's death certificate - 28 December 1902 at (his son?) George LANE's house at Riverstone.
Boot Maker
Aged 67
Born England
Married Mary COPLING in London aged 19
Parents' names not known
Children:
Living
Hannah E. (42)
Ada E. (34)
George (32)
Susan M. (23)
Deceased
2 Males
4 Females
26 years in New South Wales
10 years in other colonies
I think that daughter Sarah Elizabeth died at Lambeth in the March quarter of 1861, and William and Mary came to Australia with Hannah and Harriet.
Children born in Victoria:
Thomas Henry LANE
Father: William LANE
Mother: Mary COPLING
Birth Place: South Yarra, Victoria
Registration Year: 1867
#24749
Ada Eliza LANE
Father: William LANE
Mother: Mary COPLING
Birth Place: Emerald Hill, Victoria
Registration Year: 1869
#8574
George LANE
Father: William LANE
Mother: Mary COPLING
Birth Place: Emerald Hill, Victoria
Registration Year: 1871
#8852
Angelina LANE
Father: Wm LANE
Mother: Mary COPLING
Birth Place: Emerald Hill, Victoria
Registration Year: 1873
#16418
Deaths in Victoria:
Harriett LANE
Age: 1
Father: William
Mother: Mary COPLING
Registration Year: 1867
#7056
Thomas Henry LANE
Age: 3 Months
Father: William
Mother: Mary COPLING
Registration Year: 1868
#2568
Death in NSW:
Angelina LANE
Died: 1875
Father: William
Mother: Mary
at Glebe
#3028
I think this is the likely birth and death of the seventh girl:
Alice Anna LANE
Born: 1875
Father: William
Mother: Mary
at Glebe
#3934
Alice A. LANE
Died: 1888
Father: William
Mother: Mary
at Liverpool
#8884
LANE - February 17, 1888, at her parents residence, Canley Vale, Alice Annie, the dearly beloved daughter of William and Mary Lane, aged 12 years and 6 months, after a short but painful illness. Inserted by her loving sister Ada, Glebe Point.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13680291
There is still one male child missing.
If Harriet was baptised at Lambeth on 11 July 1866 and died in Victoria in 1867 (also the year that Thomas was born) then that narrows down the date of immigration. Unfortunately I cannot find any record, but perhaps others can have a look.
Debra :)
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ETA: also at Hannah's death siblings Mrs Reimer, Mr and Mrs G Bell, Mr and Mrs G Lane are mentioned:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16488100?searchTerm=Hannah%20Kolln&searchLimits=
Ada's marriages?
3863/1891
HONEY, WILLIAM J
LANE, ADA E
at GLEBE
6035/1901
RIEMER, JOHN W
HONEY, ADA E
at ARMIDALE
Debra :)
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jorose and dundee, thank-you, thank-you, thank-you.
what wonderful folk you all are! :)
Big family, and such hardships to lose so many children, indeed it seems Mary may not have surived long past Alice's death.
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I have other news also from another cousin of mine who has some resources...
New South Wales Assisted Immigrant Passenger:
(p62) Hannah E Lane Aged 30 arrived 3.Febraury.1885 aboard SS Gulf of Venice, Domestic from Middlesex, C of E, (Husb or Wife) Yes
confirmed http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1885/02/012gul.htm
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Further to this from other records, her husband, (From naturalisation certificate) Wilhelm Kölln, Elmshorn, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany. Arrived in Australia from London 8.5.1864 aboard the Phelicea embarking at Melbourne, leaving Victoria in 1880 and settling in Canley Vale as Fruit Grower.
From NSW marriage certificate 1885/004679 Married Hannah Eugenia Lane Spinster of England on 28 March 1885 at Liverpool, both resident of Canley Vale, Father parents: Matthias Kolln and Katherine Groth, Mother's parents: William Lane and Mary Coplin.
So if this is the same Hannal E Lane?
it seems there is an age discrepancy of 5 years. Would she deliberately put her age up?
Also, did they know each other beforehand? Certainly interesting.
Also, i am chasing up the possibility of Wilhelm's spelling of Phelicea being the ship Felicia, mentioned http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5747680
Have to run...
Regards
cairnswk
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I have other news also from another cousin of mine who has some resources...
New South Wales Assisted Immigrant Passenger:
(p62) Hannah E Lane Aged 30 arrived 3.Febraury.1885 aboard SS Gulf of Venice, Domestic from Middlesex, C of E, (Husb or Wife) Yes
confirmed http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1885/02/012gul.htm
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Have to run...
Regards
cairnswk
This is not your Hannah, her family were in Victoria by 1867. The disposal list for this ship has survived and she gives "Sister and Brother in Sydney" as her relatives in the colony. I would expect her to name her father if she was your Hannah.
Of course they may have left her behind when they emigrated but that seems pretty unlikely.
(Husb or Wife) Yes This actually says "Read or write" - (Ditto) Yes
I agree that William KOLLN's ship was probably the Felicia. He may have arrived as crew, like his brother. You would need to see if the crew list for that ship has survived.
Debra :)
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I have other news also from another cousin of mine who has some resources...
New South Wales Assisted Immigrant Passenger:
(p62) Hannah E Lane Aged 30 arrived 3.Febraury.1885 aboard SS Gulf of Venice, Domestic from Middlesex, C of E, (Husb or Wife) Yes
confirmed http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1885/02/012gul.htm
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Have to run...
Regards
cairnswk
This is not your Hannah, her family were in Victoria by 1867. The disposal list for this ship has survived and she gives "Sister and Brother in Sydney" as her relatives in the colony. I would expect her to name her father if she was your Hannah.
Of course they may have left her behind when they emigrated but that seems pretty unlikely.
(Husb or Wife) Yes This actually says "Read or write" - (Ditto) Yes
I agree that William KOLLN's ship was probably the Felicia. He may have arrived as crew, like his brother. You would need to see if the crew list for that ship has survived.
Debra :)
Dundee...how stupid of me not to see that ::) More research on that one eh!? :)
Re this:
Marriage Register
St May Lambeth
Lambeth
29th June 1858
William LANE Jnr of full age Bachelor Shoe Maker of Lambeth Walk Father = William LANE a Turner
Mary COPLING of full age Spinster of Lambeth Walk Father = Thomas COPLING Dec a Farm Servant
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Edward POWELL and Elizabeth POWELL ( seems that these two were regular witnesses to marriages in this church as they appear on at least two other entries on this same day, so most likely not related to either bride or groom )
Cheers
Karenlee
I have been digging through FamilySearch
and found this record for their marriage..
https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AMary%20%2Bsurname%3ACopling%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1858-1858
Integrity?
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This indexed marriage on FamilySearch has come from the registers of St Mary's, Lambeth. Karenlee has transcribed the details previously:
Marriage Register
St May Lambeth
Lambeth
29th June 1858
William LANE Jnr of full age Bachelor Shoe Maker of Lambeth Walk Father = William LANE a Turner
Mary COPLING of full age Spinster of Lambeth Walk Father = Thomas COPLING Dec a Farm Servant
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Edward POWELL and Elizabeth POWELL ( seems that these two were regular witnesses to marriages in this church as they appear on at least two other entries on this same day, so most likely not related to either bride or groom )
Cheers
Karenlee
If you put the "source film number" ( in this case 1041668) into the FamilySearch catalogue then that shows you where the information has come from. The catalogue can be accessed from the main search page.
William and Mary on the 1861 census, just before Hannah was born (the East Street address matches Hannah's baptism, and William is a boot maker):
RG9/354 Page 17
139 East Street, Lambeth
District of St Mary's
Wm LANE, Head, 25, Boot Maker, born Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Mary LANE, Wife, 26, Boot Closer, born Beetley, Norfolk
(no children with them as Sarah has just died, and Hannah is about to be born)
Also of interest on the same page:
142 East Street
Winnafred COPLING, Head, widow, 51, Charwoman, born Gressenhall, Norfolk
Susan COPLING, daughter, unmarried, 23, Shirt Maker, born Beetley, Norfolk
I believe this is Mary's mother and sister. If you go back to FamilySearch it is easy enough to find baptisms for the children of Thomas and Winifred COPLING at Beetley, including Mary and Susan.
Debra :)