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I'm looking for Michael Dolan who married Margaret McAleer in Newtownstewart in 1891. I need to know who his parents were. Michael and Maggie had 3 children then moved to Glasgow where Maggie died in 1901. The children moved back to Ireland and lived with Michaels cousin Jane who was married to James Coyle and lived in Londonderry in 1911.
Thank you for any help.
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What looks like Michael Dolan’s marriage to Margaret McAleer was registered in Omagh Jul – Sept 1891 Volume 2, page 228. The fathers names should be on the marriage cert.
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Thank you. Yes I have the marriage certificate and it shows MIck Dolan as father but no place of birth. I already have lots of info on Maggie McAleer father, John and mother, Sarah Carr. What I need .is to determine Michaels place of birth and mother's name. I also have conflicting years of birth for Michael: 1867 or 1869. I can't find a Michael son of Michael born in 1869 in Newtownstewart.
I believe Michael was cousins with Jane Coyle and with Frank Dolan who was a RSM in WW1 and is commemorated on Londonderry monument but info says he was born in Newtownstewart Co. Tyrone. Frank enlisted in Glasgow. His father may be Joseph or Hugh.
Thank you again.
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Sorry my mistake ROBERT Is Michael's cousin born about 1882. Jane Coyle was his sister. He died 27 March 1918 - killed in action. Husband of Mary Bridget Dolan of 8 Dillon Street, Tipperary.
After the death of his wife, Maggie, in Glasgow Michael is ???. Their 3 children: Elizabeth Catherine born 1892, Margaret Ann born 8 Oct 1894 (my grandmother) and Frank born 25 Jan 1897 show up living with Jane and James Coyle in Londonderry in 1911.
I have quite a bit of info on them but I still don't have a definitive place of birth, date of birth or parents (other than the name, Mick) for Michael Dolan.
Once again thank you for any assistance.
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Hi,
There is a Michael Dolan born to Michael Dolan and Mary Magrenra on 17 Mar 1869. The birth was registered in Holywell, Enniskillen District. This is about 40 miles from Newtownstewart.
Regards
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Thank you that's the only one I've found as well. It was just that Frank was supposedly born in Newtownstewart and Michael was married in Newtownstewart that I thought I'd check.
I really want to come to the UK and spend it in the. National archives to get all the documents I need. :D
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Hi, my partner is the grandson of Robert Dolan RSM d.1918. We went to Newtownstewart a couple of years ago. He was also in Glasgow with his wife Mary Larkin. He met Mary when he was stationed at the barracks in Tipperary town (we went there too). When Robert was killed in action Mary went back to live with her family in Tipp. She did not marry again. We know that his father was a Michael as it is on his marriage cert. we also know he went to Glasgow with Michael to find work (in Roberts case, to join up). doesn't this make him a brother of your Michael rather than a cousin, as they couldn't both have had fathers called Michael . . ::)
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hello Mair:
You are correct. We had corresponded previously (before you went to Newtownstewart) & I didn't realize that Michael Dolan (my greatgrandfather) was married previously to his marriage to Margaret McAleer. I apologize! His Civil Marriage Record states he was "full-age over 21" NOT 22. he was much older. I now know that Michael was married previously.
Marriage 1. 24th Oct 1876
Enniskillen, Fermanagh.
Husband: Mick Dolan, Labourer. Father: Mick Dolan, Garrison.
Wife: Maggie Nichol, servant age 20. Father: Robert Nichol, Downpatrick
They had children Robert, Jane, & Michael (at least). Maggie died about 1890 (don't have records.
Does your Robert have any photographs?
Cheers,
Siobhan
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Mair:
Hi again.
Robert Dolan Civil Birth Record
dob: 14 Nov 1881
Date of Baptism: 21 Nov 1881
Address: Mary Street, Enniskillen, County Fermanagh
Father: Michael Dolan
Mother: Margaret Nicol
Sponsor 1: Mary
from LondonDerry Diamond War Memorial
Regimental Sergeant Major Robert Dolan
'C' Company, 7/8th Battalion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers. Regimental Number 13133
Born: ---- Died: 1918-03-27 Aged: 36 Enlisted: Enlisted Glasgow.
Name recorded on the Pozieres Memorial, Somme, France. Name also commemorated on the Diamond War Memorial.
Husband of Mary Bridget Dolan, 8, Dillon Street, Tipperary. Brother of Mrs James Coyle, 78, Duke Street, Waterside, Derry.
Regimental Sergeant Major Dolan was through the Boer campaign, and in the First World War was twice wounded. He served with the 1st Battalion Inniskillings throughout the South African campaign, and held the King's and Queen's South African medals. Shortly after his death, members of his family placed the following lines in a Derry newspaper:
'O, Blessed Mother Mary,
On him your prayers extol.
O, Sacred Heart of Jesus,
Have mercy on his soul.'
On the second anniversary of the death of Robert Dolan, his sisters and brothers, and brother-in-law, 78, Duke Street, had the following sentiments inserted in a Derry newspaper:
'He was a brother true and kind,
Loved by those he left behind;
Forget him, no, we never will,
As years roll on we love him still.'
Robert Dolan in his Regimental Papers notes a brother, John but I have yet to find anything on him records-wise.
Mrs. James Coyle was Robert's sister, Jane. Their Civil Marriage Record
25 May 1902
Parish/District: Glendermot or Waterside Urban.
County: Derry
Husband: James Coyle
Address: Waterside Derry
Occupation: Labourer
Bachelor
Wife:
Jane Dolan
Waterside Derry
Servant Girl
Spinster
Husband's Father: Hugh Coyle, Farmer
Wife's Father: Michael Dolan, Labourer
Witness 1: B. Heaney
Witness 2: Maggie Fitzgerald
Notes: St. Columba's RC.
My grandmother when she was a child lived with James & Jane & their family (see 1911 Irish Census. Londonderry No. 5 Urban, Duke Street # 53). Lizzie, Margaret & Frank Dolan were half-siblings of Robert, Jane & John.
I've also had correspondence with relative of Margaret McAleer d. 1901 at 8 Bishop Street in Glasgow.
Maggie McAleer's brother, John b. Newtownstewart married Sarah Malloch d. about 1911, Ireland. Her siblings were Maggie (Mick Dolan's 2nd wife & my greatgrandmother), Sarah Jane, Francis, Edward, James, Mary Ann & Ellen. John & Sarah's children were John, Ruby, Lily, & James.
Lily was born at 8 Bishop Street, Glasgow (where Maggie McAleer died). Her sister (which one?) married Patrick Dolan (was this Patrick a brother to Robert?).
I know Mary Bridget & Robert married in 1915, had a son Robert (your partner's grandfather) & a daughter, Brigid (?) born 1916 & 1917 (?). What is their story?
Thank you,
Siobhan
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Hi Siobhan, I get confused with who I've been in touch with - a senior moment! I have been away for a while and also moving house imminently, but will try to find time todig out any other info we have. No photos, I'm afraid, as John's parents split up when he was very young and he lost touch with his father. Mair
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Hello again. I've just come across some information that I obtained from the Newtownstewart parish office, with the Dolan baptisms that they have. As follows:
John Dolan bap 16 June 1861, parents Bernard Dolan and Susannah McFeiters
Margaret Jane Dolan bap 8 May 1864, parents Bernard Dolan and Susannah Maguire
James Dolan bap 21 Dec 1867, parents James Dolan and Ekizabeth Duffy
John James Dolan bap 13 Jan 1869, parents Michael Dolan and Maggie Nickle
Mary Anne Dolan bap 24 May 1891, Bernard Dolan, bap 12 Feb 1893, Michael Joseph bap 4 Jan 1896, John Francis bap 5 Feb 1898, all children of Bernard Dolan and Sarah Coyle
Also the 3 children of Michael and Maggie McAleer that you already have details of.
Hope this is useful!
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Hi folks,
Sorry to jump into the conversation but Michael Dolan was my 2xGt. Grandfather and his daughter Jane my Gt. Granny. I notice reading through the posts that Michael's father is shown as Mick Dolan of Garrison. I wonder how definite that is as I have a death registration for Michael Dolan in Glasgow in 1926. The age profile fits but the father is shown as George Dolan and the mother as Catherine (nee Byrne). I found a George and Catherine Byrne in West Tyrone.
Michael and Margaret also had a son Patrick, dob 02 June 1877. I also have copies of Robert Dolan's service record from his first enlistment in 1897. Robert's brother John, dob 09 Jan 1889, also enlisted in August 1914 but then seems to have thought better of it. I have copies of his enlistment papers and the correspondence between the army and my Gt. Granny Jane Coyle over his disappearance. I found a John Dolan sailing from Glasgow to the USA. As his father was in Glasgow it's possible that he went there to say goodbye before leaving for America. I've had no luck so far finding him in the States.
I have copies of the 1911 census for both Michael and Robert in Glasgow.
Regards,
Joe.
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Hi folks,
Sorry to jump into the conversation but Michael Dolan was my 2xGt. Grandfather and his daughter Jane my Gt. Granny. I notice reading through the posts that Michael's father is shown as Mick Dolan of Garrison. I wonder how definite that is as I have a death registration for Michael Dolan in Glasgow in 1926. The age profile fits but the father is shown as George Dolan and the mother as Catherine (nee Byrne). I found a George and Catherine Byrne in West Tyrone.
Michael and Margaret also had a son Patrick, dob 02 June 1877. I also have copies of Robert Dolan's service record from his first enlistment in 1897. Robert's brother John, dob 09 Jan 1889, also enlisted in August 1914 but then seems to have thought better of it. I have copies of his enlistment papers and the correspondence between the army and my Gt. Granny Jane Coyle over his disappearance. I found a John Dolan sailing from Glasgow to the USA. As his father was in Glasgow it's possible that he went there to say goodbye before leaving for America. I've had no luck so far finding him in the States.
I have copies of the 1911 census for both Michael and Robert in Glasgow.
Regards,
Joe.
Hello Joe:
My grandmother was Margaret Ann (Maggie) Dolan b. 8 October 1894. She had an older sister, Elizabeth Catherine (Lizzie)1892, & a younger brother, Francis (Frank) b. Jan 1897. Their mother was Margaret (Maggie) McAleer from Newtownstewart, County Tyrone died Glasgow September 1901. My greatgrandfather, Michael Dolan was married prior to 1891 to Margaret (Maggie) Nichol in Enniskillen County Fermanagh on 24 October 1876. Maggie Nichol's children were Patrick born 1877, Jane born.1879, Robert 1881, John James, 1889. I do not have a death record of Maggie Nichol but she died between the birth of John (do you have his birth record?) & 15 August 1891 when Michael (or Mick) married Maggie McAleer. I don't have a death date for Mick but he is referenced as deceased on Maggie Ann's 1st marriage record to Alexander McCool in 1918 so I don't think that your date of death is his. Lizzie, Maggie & Frank lived in L'derry with Jane and James Coyle in 1911 (census). I have Jane's birth & marriage records. I would like to see Jane's correspondence with army. Robert married Bridget Mary Larkin from Tipperary & had 2 children. My granny married Archie Devlin after the war & Maggie Ann & Archie Devlin (from Ballymena) were my grandparents. Lots more! Which of Jane's children are you related to?
Cheers Siobhan
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Hi Siobhan,
Jane's eldest daughter, Maggie, dob 4th Jan 1903, married Sammy Frazer. Their second child, Anne Jane was my Mum.
Michael's first wife was baptised on 4th October 1854 in Downpatrick, and died on 4th Jan 1891.Their last child, John, was born on 9th Jan 1889. Maggie had a sister, Jane, baptised on 1st July 1859. It may well be that she named her own daughter after her sister, Jane. There is also a record of a Mary Ann Nichol, Father: Robert Nichol, Mother: Mary (as Maggie and Jane), being baptised on 12th Sept 1859. It is noted as an "Adult Baptism".
Michael worked on the railway with your 2xGt. Granda McAleer and may well have met your Gt. Gran through him. In 1911 he was working as a General Labourer and living in the Saint Rollox Home For Men - Common Lodging House, in the Townhead Burgh of Glasgow.
Maggie and Archie married on 1st Jan 1920. I well remember Aunt Maggie and Uncle Archie. They would come to Derry to visit my Granny Maggie. They were lovely people. Archie was always smiling and jolly and incredibly kind and patient with all us kids. They would always bring a big bag of fruit, which was big stuff back then. The last time I saw your Granny was one miserable, wet afternoon in Barry's Amusements, Portrush, in the summer of 70/71.
Robert, 5ft. 7 3/4 inches, 133 lbs, grey eyes, light brown hair, fresh complexion, first enlisted on 28th December 1897, Service No. 5805. He used Jane's date of birth as he was too young to enlist, and saw service in South Africa and India.
He went to Glasgow on discharge. By 1911 he's working for Glasgow Corporation as a "Tramway Car Motorman", and living as a boarder in Apartment 162, 20 Newland Street, in the Partick area of Glasgow.
With the advent of WWI he re-enlisted, Service No. 13133, as a Corporal, and was greatly responsible for the training of the new recruits, and is referred to in a book on the Seventh Battalion of the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers. They were known as "THE FIGHTING SEVENTH". The Battalion strength was 32 Officers and 995 other ranks, 1,027 in total. In March 1918, days before his death, Bob was photographed with the other 21 surviving members of the original 1,027 men who landed in France in Feb 1916. Going on those figures alone means that Bob had a 1 in 50 chance of surviving that far. When you take into account the number of replacements that came through the Battalion, it would not be unreasonable to estimate that the survival rate for the two years was 1 in 1,000! During that time Bob was twice wounded in action and rose to the rank of RSM.
The only account I have of Bob's death comes from my Granny Maggie when I was maybe four or five. She told me that he went up out of the trench and was blown to "smithereens" (her expression), and only his baton was found.
He was recommended for the Distinguished Conduct Medal but never received it.
His daughter, Margaret Jane (Greta), born 78 Duke Street, Derry, 30th June 1917 and Baptised 1st Jan 0 (possibly 1st July?). Her daughter, Cathy Ryan, lives or lived in London. I don't have an address for her.
My Granny Maggie and Bob's widow corresponded for the rest of her life. Granny always called her Bridget or Aunt Bridget.
Robert and Jane's brother John, 5ft. 9 1/2 inches, 161 lbs, grey eyes, fair hair, fresh complexion, a Fireman, enlisted in the Royal Garrison Artillery at Devonport on 26th Aug 1914, Service No. 48186, showing Jane as his next of kin and was instructed to report to the Citadel, Plymouth. The next entry in his record is "Absconded". Major Sharp wrote to Jane on 10th Dec 1914, asking for details of his Regiment. Jane replied on 14th that he was serving on the HMS Arethusa. The Arethusa was the name ship of the Arethusa class light cruisers and took part in the North Sea Battle of Heligoland Bight on 28th August 1918. John obviously wrote to Jane and most probably got the ship's name from newspaper reports of the battle. I found a John Dolan sailing from Glasgow to New York, but can't find the note of it. He may have gone to say goodbye to Mick. Mum never heard any mention of John.
To date I can find no reference to Patrick.
Your Granny Maggie's sister, Elizabeth Catherine (Lizzie), married Dan O'Hagan on 7th Feb 1921. Dan was a widower with three children, Dan, Nan and Betty. He and Lizzie had four children, Philomena, Frankie, Maureen and Paddy. At one time (1924) they lived in Portstewart and later in Duke Street opposite Jane and James. We would go over to Aunt Lizzie's to watch the Orange bands on 12th August. We would sit upstairs, and she would give us lemonade, cake and biscuits. She was a lovely woman, always smiling.
Jane died 18th April 1955. I was born on 16th Mar 1954 and clearly remember her. She suffered with arthritis. I distinctly remember being carried into her bedroom. She was in bed with a cage under the bedclothes to keep them off her legs. Mum put me in her arms, and she nursed me. She chatted away and smiled and laughed at me. I remember it as though it was yesterday. James died in the summer of 1953.
I hope you find this helpful. If you let have your address I'll send you copies of everything I have, or what you want out of it. Let me know what you think of it.
Best regards for now, cousin,
Joe.