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Since I'm at the point where I'm ready to tear my hair out with this one I thought I'd give it a try in the Co. Down thread. Any help/pointers in the right direction will be VERY gratefully received!
My great great grandfather William John Sloan was born abt. 1836 and states his county of origin as Down in both the 1901 and 1911 census. He moved to Co. Roscommon circa 1863 when he opened a Hardware store in Main Street, Boyle and subsequently married a local girl, Mary Ann McLean in 1870 in Co. Tyrone (just to confuse things).
On the extract I have of their marriage certificate his father is named as John Sloan, a farmer and his witness was Thomas K Sloan, who I believe was his brother. Thomas Knox Sloan died in Boyle, Co. Roscommon in 1881 and his estimated year of birth was 1844, presumably also in Co. Down. One of William John Sloan's children also carried 'Knox' as a middle name in Margaret Knox Sloan and he had another daughter, Jessie Scott Sloan whose name doesn't seem to tie in with the McLean line so (hopefully!) might be another tie to the Sloans. William John Sloan died in 1919 in Boyle, Co. Roscommon so no chance of a Will search either. *sigh*
Basically I have absolutely no idea where to go from here. I don't have a townland to narrow it down, the names of his mother or any other siblings to help with the research, and have hit a brick wall which I can't seem to break through, no matter how many angles I try. :(
So if anyone recognizes any of the names or can give me some advice, I REALLY would appreciate it!
Yours in desperation,
Trish
P.S. Should probably mention that they all appear to be Presbyterian's, not that it's helped me any thus far...
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Previous topic on ROSCOMMON board-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,612847.msg4618623.html#msg4618623
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Thanks Aghadowey!
Everyone was so amazing over there. If I get so much as one answer with a new lead here it'll feel like Christmas came early :)
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Have you tried this Co. Down site? lots of Sloans there:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Afrontpage.htm
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Have you tried this Co. Down site? lots of Sloans there:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Afrontpage.htm
I have thankyou :) and yes, there are lots and lots there. I think it's part of my problem. If any of them had some kind of rare forename like Venus or Apple I'd be able to pick them out of the crowd. John's and William John's aren't really very helpful. Inconsiderate ancestors!
Am currently grasping at straws with an Adam in Belfast during the 1901 and 1911 census who made surgical instruments. My great grandfather was a surgeon and I reckon the inspiration had to come from somewhere, right?
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"William John Sloan died in 1919 in Boyle, Co. Roscommon so no chance of a Will search either. *sigh*"... Why not???
Original wills and administration papers are transferred to the National Archives once the grant is 25 years old.
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"William John Sloan died in 1919 in Boyle, Co. Roscommon so no chance of a Will search either. *sigh*"... Why not???
Original wills and administration papers are transferred to the National Archives once the grant is 25 years old.
Really?! I didn't know that. So Dublin rather than Proni?
The pessimist in me says that more than likely-since the business went to his second son and then to my grandfather that I might not learn too much, but it would definitely be worth a try!
Thank you! :)
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http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/wills-testamentary-records/
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http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/wills-testamentary-records/
Ooooh. New playground. Thank you!
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Swings and Roundabouts!
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Hi, this was linked to the other page so answering on both. Terence Mallagh married Sheila Webb, had 2 children Juliet, and Christopher (deceased, no issue). We have the family tree for Sheila Webb going back to William the Conqueror. If any one would like a copy please let us know. Its all very interesting and annoying you can't go back and meet these people to check the facts lol.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
This thread hasn't been active since October 2012.
Terence Mallagh married Sheila Webb, had 2 children J....., and Christopher (deceased, no issue).
Here's the marriage record of 2 July 1935 at the Registrar's Office, Dublin. Note that the three witnesses were Florence L Webb, Joseph Mallagh and Bertha Mallagh.
Sheila in 1911 census.
House 27 in Harold's Cross Road (Terenure, Dublin).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Terenure/Harold_s_Cross_Road/47292/
....and Terence Mallagh in 1911 census.
House 14 in Wine Street (Pt. of) (Sligo North Urban, Sligo).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Sligo_North_Urban/Wine_Street__Pt__of_/757922/
KG
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Hi, this was linked to the other page so answering on both. Terence Mallagh married Sheila Webb, had 2 children Juliet, and Christopher (deceased, no issue). We have the family tree for Sheila Webb going back to William the Conqueror. If any one would like a copy please let us know. Its all very interesting and annoying you can't go back and meet these people to check the facts lol.
Thank you so much for this! It's so lovely to add new names to the tree. I don't suppose you know if Terence had any siblings?
I went to Boyle with my cousin in the summer and we found the Sloan family burial plot. Got a bit emotional but so nice to see it and walk in their footsteps in the town.
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Here's the marriage record of 2 July 1935 at the Registrar's Office, Dublin. Note that the three witnesses were Florence L Webb, Joseph Mallagh and Bertha Mallagh.
Sheila in 1911 census.
House 27 in Harold's Cross Road (Terenure, Dublin).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Terenure/Harold_s_Cross_Road/47292/
....and Terence Mallagh in 1911 census.
House 14 in Wine Street (Pt. of) (Sligo North Urban, Sligo).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Sligo_North_Urban/Wine_Street__Pt__of_/757922/
KG
Thanks for this! Had the 1911 census with Terence and his family but not the other info. Much appreciated :)
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Since I'm at the point where I'm ready to tear my hair out with this one I thought I'd give it a try in the Co. Down thread. Any help/pointers in the right direction will be VERY gratefully received!
My great great grandfather William John Sloan was born abt. 1836 and states his county of origin as Down in both the 1901 and 1911 census. He moved to Co. Roscommon circa 1863 when he opened a Hardware store in Main Street, Boyle and subsequently married a local girl, Mary Ann McLean in 1870 in Co. Tyrone (just to confuse things).
On the extract I have of their marriage certificate his father is named as John Sloan, a farmer and his witness was Thomas K Sloan, who I believe was his brother. Thomas Knox Sloan died in Boyle, Co. Roscommon in 1881 and his estimated year of birth was 1844, presumably also in Co. Down. One of William John Sloan's children also carried 'Knox' as a middle name in Margaret Knox Sloan and he had another daughter, Jessie Scott Sloan whose name doesn't seem to tie in with the McLean line so (hopefully!) might be another tie to the Sloans. William John Sloan died in 1919 in Boyle, Co. Roscommon so no chance of a Will search either. *sigh*
Basically I have absolutely no idea where to go from here. I don't have a townland to narrow it down, the names of his mother or any other siblings to help with the research, and have hit a brick wall which I can't seem to break through, no matter how many angles I try. :(
So if anyone recognizes any of the names or can give me some advice, I REALLY would appreciate it!
Yours in desperation,
Trish
P.S. Should probably mention that they all appear to be Presbyterian's, not that it's helped me any thus far...
Just a wee update on this now a lovely lady from Australia has been in contact. Seems William John Sloan and Thomas Knox Sloan also had a sister, Sarah Sloan, who married William John Heathwood in Dublin, with Thomas K Sloan as the witness once again. They then had several children in Boyle, Co. Roscommon before emigrating to Australia.
There MAY be a link to Ardaragh, near Rathfriland in Co. Down with John Sloan the farmer.
Just in case that sets any of the fabulous treasure hunters in here off on the trail ;)
Trish
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Just a wee update on this now a lovely lady from Australia has been in contact. Seems William John Sloan and Thomas Knox Sloan also had a sister, Sarah Sloan, who married William John Heathwood in Dublin, with Thomas K Sloan as the witness once again.
Here's the link to the marriage.
6 February 1867
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1867/11486/8221836.pdf
Witness looks more like Thos H Sloan rather than K.
See the H in Heathwood.
There MAY be a link to Ardaragh, near Rathfriland in Co. Down...
Do you mean Ardarragh townland?
https://www.townlands.ie/down/lordship-of-newry/newry-down-portion/ouley/ardarragh/
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I don't suppose you know if Terence had any siblings?
Margaret Moira Mallagh born 2 May 1916. MMN Sloan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01336/1551539.pdf
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Hi9, there is a William John Sloan born 2/7/1833 in Camus,Co Tyrone.Feno
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Mothers name Jane, pops name,William,
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Hi9, there is a William John Sloan born 2/7/1833 in Camus,Co Tyrone.Feno
Can you supply a link to this, please?
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Hi,please excuse my ignorance but really I do not know how to. Feno
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Hello,Is this of use to you,Ireland select Births and Baptisms,1620___1911.
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William John Sloan
Birth Date: 2 July 1833
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F513-V6R
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Just for my own information, when I find some snippet of interest and to transfer same to the interested party,do I engage the CITE THIS RECORD info.Feno
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William John Sloan
Birth Date: 2 July 1833
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F513-V6R
Appreciate the hint but this is definitely not him. Our William John Sloan moved to Boyle in Co. Roscommon, married a local girl and lived there all his life. Also his father is listed as John on the wedding cert and they named their first son John after him. It's where in Co. Down William John came from we get stuck.
Now we know his sister also lived in Boyle for a while prior to emigrating the assumption is William John possibly visited her there, met the woman he would marry and then chose to move.
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Thread - Sloan and McLean of Boyle, Co. Roscommon on the ROSCOMMON board.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=612847.0