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Hi
I have been on the trail of an ancestor (John Nixon) who served in the Royal Artillery between 1868-1875. For most of this time he was posted with the 21st Brigade RA at Woolwich and Portsmouth/Gosport according to WO pay records. But the forts are not specified as far as I can tell.
Does anyone have knowledge of the actual location of elements of the 21st brigade on a fort by fort basis for the period in question ? Perhaps such records no longer exist.
I have searched the general history of the forts in the area and have discovered that there were many such facilities there or under construction during the time in question.
John was present on IOW (and married there early in 1875) but I am not sure for what periods he was present there or at which forts in particular.
Any suggestions or tips for further research would be most welcome.
Cheers
Robert
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Robert: There is a two-volume set entitled Battery Records of the Royal Artillery that indicates where each battery/company of the Royal Artillery was located on a month-to-month basis. Volume one covers the period 1716 to 1859 and volume two covers 1859 to 1877. The is a manuscript available of the third volume (it has never been published) that covers the period 1877 to 1898. I have all three volumes and will help you the best I can.
In 1868 the only battery of 21st Brigade, RA that was at Woolwich was 2nd Battery, 21st Brigade, RA landed at Portsmouth on HMS Troopship Serapis on 18 Jan 1868 and moved to Woolwich where it remained until 24 Jun 1868. It then embarked at Woolwich on the SS Lady Eglinton and landed at Portsmouth on 25 June 1868. From July to December 1868 it was at Gosport. From January 1869 to May 1870 the Battery served on the Isle of Wight. on 17 May 1870 the battery embarked on HM Troopship Tamar at Portsmouth Dockyard and sailed at 9.20 am the next day. It moored off Gravesend and the battery disembarked on 20 May 1870 and marched to Shoeburyness. On 23 May 1871 it moved by rail to Woolwich. On 18 October 1871 the battery embarked at Woolwich on the SS
Lady Wodehouse and landed at Jersey on 23 October 1871. It remained at Jersey until moving to Portsmouth on 14 June 1873 where it remained until January 1876.
Woolwich was the home of the Royal Artillery which maintained training facilities and a depot there.
Shoeburyness was a training area for the RA and was used for firing exercises. At Portsmouth, Gosport, Jersey, and the Isle of Wight the company probably manned the guns of coastal fortresses but I do not know which ones.
Gunner 1
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Good evening,
There were a great many forts in that area, see map; All those on Portsdown and down the west side of Gosport face inland. Some are still in use by the Navy or are on their land.
I have previously found several sites giving histories of each fort etc but dont seem to be able to find them tonight. A search for Palmerstons forts_portsmouth should bring it all up.
John915
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This society may be able to assist:
http://www.palmerstonfortssociety.org.uk/
You can also try here:
http://victorianforts.co.uk/
Nell
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Hi Gunner 1
Thank you for this detailed account. I am surprised that so much information exists for the RA. Looks like Vol 2 has some of the answers to my questions.
I believe John Nixon was a member of the 7th Battery but I am not absolutely sure when he joined that unit. Prior to joining the 21st Brigade John was a member of the 6th Brigade (briefly). I will check the pay records again to see if my memory is correct.
John was present at Woolwich in April 1871 as he appears in the Census. This is the fact that enabled his military record to be uncovered as he bought his way out of the RA in 1875 (ie no pension file exists).
John 915
Yes I began to realise just how complex the story is when I looked for info on the forts around Portsmouth in that era. Thanks for your comments.
Little Nell
Thank you for the links. I was aware of the 2nd link but not the first !
Cheers
Robert
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Hi Gunner 1
I have now checked my notes and can confirm that John Nixon was a member of the 7th Battery/Company 21st Brigade from April 1869.
He had a military career that lasted some 7.5 years.
From his pay records it appears that he was present at Portsmouth until June 1869 then at Gosport followed by Woolwich until March 1874 and finally Portsmouth again from April 1874 - November 1875. It appears that he was detached to the 2nd Divisional Depot Brigade at Woolwich from 1869-71.
So the key question is where (which forts) the 7th Battery (21st Brigade) was posted to from 1869-75. Does the 2nd volume of the RA Battery history help in this regard ?
Cheers
Robert
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Robert: 7th Battery, 21st Brigade was Gosport from January 1869 to May 1870; at Woolwich from June 1870 to April 1872; at Golden Hill, Isle of Wight from May 1872 through January 1876. Unfortunately the volume does not indicate which forts the battery was at.
Regards, Dick Flory
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Hi Dick
Many thanks for this info.
I thought getting the detailed battery info was a bit ambitious some 140 years after the event !
Cheers
Robert
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Hi,
Don`t know if you can help, but would you have any information on the 10th Brigade RA between 1860 - 1882?
My Great Great Grandfather, 358 Henry George THURLOW served with that Brigade during his 20 years + in the RA.
I have some info:
1861 he served in the 10th Brigade Royal Artillery at Blockhouse Fort, Fort Monkton (now used as MI6 training establishment), Fort Elson, Portsmouth, Isle of Wight)
1866 he went to Canada (Fenian Raids).
1875 - sailed to Pembroke Dock in 1875 from where he retired c.1882.
Any information you can add on the 10th Brigade to fill in the missing years, would be greatly appreciated.... :)
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OVLHS_Secretary: It is somewhat difficult to answer your question as Battery Records of the Royal Artillerydetails the movements of individual batteries rather than the brigade as a whole, and during the period to which you refer 10th Brigade, RA had up to eight batteries. If you could be somewhat more definite as to exactly when he served at Blockhouse Fort, Fort Monkton, Fort Elson, etc. I might be able to determine in which battery of 10th Brigade, RA he served and give you more detailed information concerning the movements of that particular battery.
Regards, Dick Flory
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There is no mention of the battery just "10th brigade RA" with the forts mentioned in 1861 at find my past, but that was a while ago, I`ll see what else I can dig up on him.....
He was an Army pensioner leaving c.1882 but no luck with his pension records either as yet.....Doing a good job of hiding from me :(
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I now know in which battery he served if it`s possible to get a history of them?
He was in the 10th Brigade Royal Artillery, 6th Battery (the Gunners) when he landed at Pembroke Dock on 2nd November 1875.
Any further information o the 6th Battery would be great thanks ;D