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I am a student of the Black family of Ford Forge, Northumberland. John Ebenezer Black 1836 to 1900 emigrated to Southland and established a farm he named "Heaton". I would be interested to see where he settled and meet any descendants when next we visit New Zealand.
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Greetings from Southland
While not a family member I would be pleased to assist you gather any information or locate the"Heaton Farm".
There are many Black family members interred throughout Invercargill and Southland. However with a few basic searches I cannot locate anyone with the name given "John Ebenezer Black" in Southland or anywhere else in New Zealand. This includes a farm named "Heaton".
Perhaps a little more information might assist.
Welcome to PM any information if you wish.
Alex G ;D
P.S. I am not a Black Family member
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I see from "paperspast.natlib.govt" that John Ebenezer Black was a candidate for the election of Mayor.
See 'Southland Times' dated 21.7.1883.
Minniehaha.
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NZ electoral rolls 1870/71
John Ebenezer Black
District - Mataura
Region Southland
One Tree Point, Freehold section 12 and a half of section 7 block 8 Invercargill hundred
In a separate entry for the same years it gives all the same details but the district is Oteramika
Same details on the roll for 1875/6
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Hi All, Archives seem to hold Letters of Admin and probate for him as well.
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22049292
Alan
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Death registration in 1900. Died aged 64 years.
Minniehaha.
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Hi,
Here is the location of burial, with a few other family members in the same plot.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rwe/
Cheers
KHP
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Death reg details
1900/1804 Black John Ebenezer 64Y
Probate should list property and surviving relatives. Anyone in Dunedin?
Alan
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1875/76
Riverton Southland
John Ebenezer Black
Winton, Freehold Section 9 block 5 Winton
1880/1881
John Ebenezer Black Farmer
New River Hundred freehold
Section 47 block 16 and part of section 3 block 1 New River Hundred
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John married Sarah Wait, registration 1868.
Minniehaha.
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Mrs J E Black was buried on the 4 May 1880.
Cheers
KHP
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John married Sarah Wait, registration 1868.
Minniehaha.
FreeBMD Dec 1/4 1861 Berwick
John Ebenezer Black married Margaret Waite
So Sarah a second wife?
1890 and 1896
John Ebenezer Black
Residential Invercargill
Occupation - Miller
Invercargill Southland
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Again from "papers past" (see above for website Reply #2)-
'Southland Times', 12.9.1877
"To Let, HEATON FARM, One Tree Point....etc.,
Apply to John E. Black
Winton Flour Mills".
Minniehaha.
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So Sarah a second wife?
Yes, in 1868 John E Black married Sarah Wait
Cheers
KHP
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Several researchers at A$try, if you can access a computer with a sub, or take a short term one, you will get lots of contacts
Bye
Althea
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Children to sarah and John Ebenezer
Isabella 1869
Annie Eliza 1871
George 1877
John Ebenezer 1879
Sarah Agnes 1883
Lucretia Garfield Black 1886
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So Sarah a second wife?
Yes, in 1868 John E Black married Sarah Wait
Cheers
KHP
What happened to Margaret?
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Children of Margaret and John Ebenezer
James Black 1862/16098
Mary 1865/22707
Death
Margaret Black no age recorded 1866/163
There is a margaret Alice Black died 1868 but too late? and Alice not known as a second name?
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This could be her death in 1866, no age given, and location is Invercargill.
Cheers
KHP
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Well that opened up a can of worms ;D
Actually when I first went into the NZSG Burial Locator and searched Invercargill and Southland Cemeteries found no record. Hadn't got as far as Papers Past and damn it all I was in Archives NZ, Dunedin two days ago ::)
Alex G ;D
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There are 331 entries for John E. Black in the 'Southland Times'. May not all be John Ebenezer.
One dated 7.3.1873 gives a good description of Heaton Farm which was "for sale or lease".
Another in the Public Notices dated 3.8.1881 reads-
John E. Black
Miller & Grain Merchant
Steam Grain Mills
Winton.
(See above, my posting showing the link between Heaton Farm, the mills at Winton and John E. Black.)
Minniehaha.
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Another report in the 'Southland Times' involving a case of larceny where property was stolen from Mr. J. E. Black. Wife Sarah and daughter Isabella are also mentioned.
Date of newspaper:
11.12.1889.
A previous report appears on 12.11.1889. At that stage referred to as "alleged larceny".
Minniehaha.
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Hello
I am a descendant of John Ebenezer Black through his second wife Sarah. Their daughter Anna Elizabeth married Thomas Alfred Connor in 1897. They had two children, Lucretia and Tom. Tom was killed in the Hyde railway disaster in 1943 along with his son John.
Lucretia married Havilland Charles Rapsey Blackwood (known as Toby), their children were Keith (my grandfather) and Anne.
Lucretia died in 1947 aged only 47 and was buried in Hamilton.
Cheers
William
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Wow, so much response, so quickly! Where to start!?
The Black family built a large agribusiness here in Northumberland stemmimg from their blacksmith's business which produced tools for agriculture and mining, becoming large scale farmers, millers and grain merchants. JEB was the youngest child of James and Ann Black of New Heaton, Heaton Mill, and Ford Mills and Forge. JEB's first wife was a houseservant which may have incurred his parent's displeasure and caused him to throw up his excellent prospects for a new country. I think his second wife may have been a half-sister to his first. I farm one of the Black's farms and have long had an interest in this fascinating family. JEB's ventures in NZ were not too successful and he was declared bankrupt after his mill burnt down.
We have a daughter living in Arrowtown so I thought it would be interesting to see where JEB settled next time we visit. A google search for One Tree Point only brought up somewhere in Northland.
I replied to shiska18's post "Need help with this photo". With the help of a Black descendant I now think it is possible the photo is of JEB's cousin George Black who ran the Spittal spadeworks. JEB posted his death notice in the Southland Times, so it is reasonable to think that there were people there who had met him.
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May I suggest that while in New Zealand you make enquiries of the Dunedin Regional office of Archives New Zealand as you would probably like to obtain a copy of the Deeds Plan of Heaton Farm while it was owned by J. E. Black?
This can be ordered and is presented by Archives on an A3 sheet* or CD. As a student of your family history I am sure you would find this document well worth having.
The search for this can be done on line but assistance may be needed by staff to locate the Deed required.
*Not sure about this but it is twice the size of A4.
Minniehaha. :)
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;D ;D
An aside, on our t.v. tonight ARROWTOWN celebrates 150 years since discovery of gold.
Hope your daughter enjoyed . Seemed to be a great occassion.
;D ;D
Regards, Carl.
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Thank you Minniehaha and Carlolsen,
I have found One Tree Point, out in the Edendale direction, but I guess the name Heaton Farm has gone, 130 acres isn't viable any more. He seems to have got around a bit, his mill was at Winton, he also applied to build a mill at Mataura, but was turned down. There is a short report on the loss of the mill at http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=GRA18850223.2.9.11&srpos=2&e=-------10--1----0Winton+Flour+Mills-- , I guess being underinsured caused the bankrupcy.
Yes, Arrowtown's history is fascinating, the lure of gold took people to such remote places, Skippers, Bullendale, and Macetown etc. Have had a good look in the Arrow, but haven't managed to find any gold yet ....
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Hello Black researchers of Northumberland and New Zealand.
May I add a Canadian branch to your family tree? My husband's maternal grandmother in Canada was Ada Black-Stevens whose ancestors came to Peterborough, Ontario from Northumberland, England. Names associated with family in England and Canada - Nesbit(t), Edminson(Edminston), Tindle(Tyndal) and Walton in Canada.
I believe that Ada's direct ancestor was Thomas Black who was co-owner of Ford Forge with brother James. Parents of Thomas and James were John Black and Jean(Janet) Carr from Kilmaurs, Scotland.
I haven't looked at this family for about 6 years so I am a little rusty on the details. I will have a good look at my files.
Do please be patient while I sort things out!
So, from what I have found today online today - looks like James Black - father of John Ebenezer - moved to New Heaton Farm in Cornhill.
1861 Corhnill Census (Familysearch.org - documents)
James Black - age 68 - born 1793 - BP Ford
John Ebenezer Black - age 24 - single - son - BP Cornhill
Mary Black - born 1830 - Ford
I found James Black age 78 in 1871 Census - Cornhill, Heaton (Familysearch.org) with daughter Eliza SMITH - age 37 and granddaughter Ann Isabella Smith - age 4
I also found a Elizabeth Dodds in the household - age 20 servant (and I do believe the Dodds married into the Nesbit family in Ford Forge)
Also looks like a blacksmith named Wait might have bought Ford Forge from Blacks - wonder if this could have been the connection to John Ebenezer's wives?? Found in Delaval Manuscripts online "The forge was leased to Thomas Black & Sons who remained there for over a century before transferring their work to Spittal, near Berwick. In 1894, the Forge was occupied by John Wait, blacksmith". I need to investigate this further.
I won't ramble on until I get a good look at what I have in my files.
I will be happy to share more if anyone is interested in pursuing the family in Canada
So are Ford Forge and Cornhill nearby?
Bye for now
from Canada
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HelloTeddy1,
First the easy bit, Ford and Cornhill are neighbouring rural parishes in North Northumberland.
Secondly Black is a very common name in the area, so it is easy to go wrong. You are clearly on the right family, except I have no knowledge of a Carr of Kilmaurs. Almost certainly the Wait that took the lease of the Forge after the Blacks is related to one or both of JEB's wives, very possibly a brother of his second wife.
If there are questions about the family I am happy to share what knowledge I have. A descendent of the family has put a huge amount of material on ancestry.co.uk.
David
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Hi David
Thank you identifying the location of Cornhill.
From my online searches it appears that the Black's were quite a well-connected family at one time in Northumberland.
There appears to be estate records, letter etc at the National Archives and Scottish Family organization in UK.
I did a bit of sleuthing for John Ebenezer and found in "Southland Times" - 2 Sept 1884 - Estate of John E BLACK - included in the list of creditors was George Black of Lanton, England.
After some GOOGLING - I found the following
Lennel Kirkyard - Coldstream, Scotland
Middle - Row 17 - 3 - Davidson/Black
Erected by AGNES DAVIDSON in memory of her husband GEORGE BLACK who died at Lanton Northumberland 27 July 1889 aged 58 years.
Also of AGNES DAVIDSON wife of the above GEORGE BLACK who died at Newcastle 8 September 1912 aged 80 years. In her heart was the law of kindness.
Notice of Agnes Davidson-Black's estate settlement can be found online in "The London Gazette, 20 Jan 1914 - pages 536 & 537
Looks like Agnes came from prosperous Davidson family of Coldstream - grocers, and spirit dealers
George Black I believe has association (perhaps son of ) James R Black who owned Wynnefield/Winfield farm in Northumberland and also lived in Blackdean.
I haven't investigated this thoroughly, but I believe it was suggested a posting at this site that George Black was Cousin of John Ebenezer??
As to my husband's Canadian Blacks - his earliest ancestors in Canada
Gr Gr Grandparents
Israel Craig Black - born 1825 England - died 1879 Smith Twp, Peterborough, Ontario
Nancy Walton (1834 - England - 1913 - Smith Twp)
Married - 1854 in Peterborough, Ontario
Waltons came to Canada ca 1818 from Alston, Cumberland with Thomas Milburn Settlers.
I believe that Israel was son of John Black(owner of Ford Forge) and Sara Edminson (who married a Tindle and moved to Smith Twp after death of John Black)
So George of Lanton would be family of James Black who was once co-owner of Ford Forge with brother John Black???
Hopefully I haven't gotten this totally muddled!
I find it amazing how far families strayed from each other - England, New Zealand and Canada and how the computer has allowed us to re-connect!
Comments would be appreciated.
Bye for now
Teddy1
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hello again Teddy1
A lot there, you have been very busy. Much of your post is correct
George Black of Lanton was was JEB's brother, both sons of James Black of New Heaton. George married well, Agnes Davidson's family owned the Coldstream brewery, and she was later described as the sole partner. They had no children and she used her wealth to endow Coldstream with a new church.
James R Black was a cousin, son of Ebenezer Black of Grindon.
Another cousin was also called George Black.
Israel Black was the youngest of John and Agnes Black's fifteen children, he died in 1823 aged about 27. His son Israel Craig Black (hopefully born in 1824 rather than 1825!) was therefore a full cousin to the men named above.
It is all quite confusing as the same Christian names are used in each family (except Israel!)
I have emailed you direct asking you to contact a relative of yours who can give more detailed information.
Walton is quite a common name in South Northumberland and over into North Cumbria and Durham. The name almost certainly comes from "Walltown", a settlement on Hadrian's Wall.
Good luck!
David
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As couple of points to clear up some ambiguities and an educated 'guess' to take things a bit further forward.
1. Ford Forge is the name of a place, and not just of a forge. It's just down the hill, on the banks of the River Till, about a mile from Ford village in Northumberland.
2. Many of the Black family are buried in the cemetery of the old church just outside Ford village, on the slope down to Ford Forge. Some of the graves are monumental.
3. The muddle over occupations seems to me to be explainable as follows: John Ebenezer Black was recorded mainly as a miller, and the mill at Ford Forge is just opposite the smithy, separated from it only by the river. The mill was water powered and is open today as a working museum.
The Wait(e) family into whom John Ebenezer married were occupied with spade making, - hence the association with the smithy.
William Wait, the father of John's two wives, it seems (they were sisters or half-sisters?) is recorded as a spâde-maker in Main street, Spittal, Tweedmouth.
Spade-making was an important activity in the local economy.
It seems too that the religious connections of the two families, Black and Wait, were strongly Presbyterian.
Hope this helps those interested.
John