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All I know is that he married Liverpool in 1862 aged 29 to ELizabeth Covell. So his approx birth year about 1833 from that information and that is the only reason why I have posted in the Lancashire section. As I don't know where else to post. He could have been born elsewhere in the Uk or even outside of Uk ?
(because I have tried and cannot successfully link the other threads related to this family)
I know nothing else about Charles Wood per se. Other than, please see other related threads to this family Re: Can anybody find any census records for Charles Wood or Woods from Liverpool ?
Re:Finding marriage of James Woods Liverpool. Please see last post on this thread for further details of Charles Wood marriage banns. Thank you !!!!
If anyone can find his birth record it would be a great start to discover where he maybe from but its such a mystery, I am not holding my breath as I have looked everywhere myself and found nothing that relates specifically to him. Maybe there is no birth record for him ? But I am asking for help from anyone willing as I am really struggling with this one myself.
Many Thanks in advance,
Michelle
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Have you for him in 1871/ 81 etc censuses?
What place and year of birth do they suggest?
1833 is before civil registration, so the only record you can hope to find is a christening. Maybe he wasn't christened, or you have yet to look in the correct parish. Or maybe he was, but in a Catholic or non conformist church.
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Its not easy at all, as I cant find him on any census's prior to this marriage or after it. His son is baptised a Catholic and the family all are catholic baptised after that but nothing, no records throughout the whole uk and I've looked everywhere every Charles wood census prior to marriage with a father called James and looked at his occupation at marriage 'mariner' nothing comes up on 1861 census's. All I know is his father is James wood farmer. There are provisional Woods findings names that I have added to the tree based on searching baptisms for Woods Liverpool around his birth year but this information is not based on any concrete factual evidence. That's why I thought Id better start off the correct way and find his birth record first.
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If he was a mariner he was likely to be away at sea on prevoius censuses then.
Have you really looked through every christening record in the uk?Notall are online, and certainly not many catholic or non conformist ones, so it would seem a mammoth task to visit all record offices and trawl through all records that have survived.
And we can't rule out that he wasn't christened.
Is he never at home in any census after is marriage?
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Previous thread referred to is here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,613716.msg4679363.html#msg4679363
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Possible for 1871 on other thread
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The problem I have is I do not know where he was born what part of Uk as there are no clues to help me. Its a mystery that I cant find him on any census records either. I have looked through every census on england and wales in 1861 under wood-both for Charles and his father as that is all I have to go on. I have looked through all baptism records for wood in liverpool and lancs and uk for that year for charles wood on one site that gives access to parishes. I cant find any census under his name after marriage, nothing appears that fits both description of father as farmer and him as mariner for 1861 and 1851. The only trace i can find on a 1871 census of a son named james wood kirkdale fever Hospital whitefield lane westminster rd, kirkdale for that area in time. Only found a charles wood born eastbourne 1835 fisherman. There is a james wood in 1861 who is an ag lab speke lancs in 1861 father in law widower as daughter is alice married as mawdsley b 1823 a farmers wife, woolton lans husband william mawdsley b1817 employing 1 lab west derby allerton, allerton rd. That's all i can find for that area and I cant take these as any source of linked evidence really as they could be anyone ? yes that is the thread that I have asked people to read for further details.,
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I think you need to forget about James until you can establish some facts about Charles, and then work back. But don't try to go back till you have something solid to work from.
Who were Charles children? Have you got this family in later censuses? Is Charles never there?
I found a possible in 1871 but it is on the other thread. (If he married in 1862 he is hopefully with wife then, unless away at sea in which case we need detail of the children to look for the right family)
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I only know charles had one child for definite james wood born 9 sept 1863 as that is where i have found most of the work & census's start being traceable from 1891 and james his son is aged 28 then and married. So there are no found census's of james as a child which is also making it difficult. I wanted to help my friend so much to find the truth around the source of colour in her family but looks like I am unable to get to the bottom of it. the 1881 census James's father Charles was already deceased
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The 1871 census might be them as elizabeth i think was born liverpool but her mother and father were born holywell in wales so could be wales on that census by default.? James the son is not on the census and he was born 1863 but could be staying away somewhere. So its plausible yes....
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Hi
The 1871 census family with Susannah Woods is not your family as Susannah and her parents Charles & Elizabeth are on the 1881 census at 96 Edge Lane RG11; Piece: 3704; Folio: 8; Page: 10
In the 1881 census your Elizabeth Wood , a widow, along with sons James and George (who was not Charles son) are living at 22 Clement St Also in the household are Elizabeths sisters. RG11; Piece: 3601; Folio: 61; Page: 39
To avoid people spending time duplicating information found (or ruled out) could you link the several topics relating to Charles Wood.
Andy
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Hello Andycand,
Of course your right ! Yes I was going to come back with that reply regarding the 1881 census. I have tried to say that the other related posts are under '' Finding James Woods marriage'' I wrote this in my first post on here to avoid confusion. As I do not know how to link threads together. I have tried but it wont allow me to(a copyright warning appears so I must be doing something wrong). I have only been using this site for a few months and it took me a week to figure out how to post, initially. It seems crucial that this missing 1871 census is the one that is most valuable in finding out Charles Wood place of birth then at least id know where in the uk to start looking for a possible baptism. I will try and work out how to navigate links to this thread, if not can someone explain to me how to do it please. I am a ''rootschat'' novice when it comes to anything more than posting and private emails that's as far as I've learnt to do myself. I am pretty good with pc skills as well.
Kind Regards,
Michelle
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Latest update on this one after failing to find anything on immigration, , death, death at sea, alien travellers into the Uk (yes alien), travel, wills, tax, land, 1871 census, records. Decided to home in on the 1881 census as that's all I have. Looked at all the local area of households origin of birth and occupations of clement St, Liverpool in 1881 and it looks like there is a pattern. If you were a seaman/mariner you would have been most likely be born abroad. On the same street as Charles Wood's widow were mainly seamen origin of birth East & West Indies being head of their households. In particular Trinidad kind of struck a chord with me, as when googled on maps Trinidad is in the ''Port of Spain''. My friend said well their colour is very dark, I replied not necessarily there is a light and dark skin tone in all cultures, black, Asian, French, Italian etc. Could it be that the family story has become twisted & re framed over time passed through the generations from Charles born in area of Port of Spain to Spain. As looking at all of this street and surrounding street households Vauxhall street and another street beginning with B. None originated from Spain. The very most they originated from Liverpool or Ireland (Dublin or Wentford) and tended to have typical occupations to that area of Liverpool as Carter's, general labourer's, Dock labourer's, and women either housewives or seamstresses. Another ship occupation was a female cook from Nassau West/ East Indies, and ship carpenters but they tended to come from Liverpool and only two other seamen one from Holland, and the other Isle of Man. Nothing from Spain. Hm, and I finally getting warm ?
Regards,
Michelle
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I have a lot of mariners amongst my ancestors - but none born abroad! I don't think you can jump to that conclusion.
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Elizabeth Covell baptised 2nd june 1840 at St Peter,Liverpool
parents James Covell and Sarah
born 20th May 1840
abode Burlington Street
occ of James - Joiner
baptised by Thomas Macgill
possible for Elizabeth ................? if you say Elizabeths parents were born in Wales , I presume you know their names ...is t James and Sarah ?....if so ...St Peter is C of E ?
Charles and Elizabeth married in St Alban church, Athol Street, Liverpool ...Roman Catholic
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Ok Liz,
Point taken it was my friend who suggested the connection with her tree then i looked into it further, i guess when you start getting desperate for an answer and nothing is coming up after years of research, you start using a cardinal sin and start clutching at any straw, lol. I guess the reason why the family are looking for an answer to origin of birth as not being british white caucasion is that the family photo of John Joseph woods who is charles wood grandson is very darked skin and all the male and female descendants today have the same very dark skin. I wish I could upload the black and white photo of him to show you, its more than the average summer tanned darkness. So that's why they surmised that its based on the colour of the skin in the family also that has come through very strong to current generations today and the purpose of the family research for them in the first place was to try and find the answer out for this.
Hello Garstonite,
Close, but its the Elizabeth Covell who was born 16th Jan 1836 and baptised 17 Jan 1836 St Peter's Priory. Her Parents names are I believe Wlliam Covell (Mariner) and born Liverpool and Mary Mannall born 1814 Holywell. Charles & Elizabeth married St Alban you are correct but in Bevington area. Although I think (but you just never know) I have found all the correct details for Elizabeth Covell and her family back to her grandparents John Covell and Sarah Covell. I am slightly puzzled by the fact and have questioned whether I've found the right people but, Elizabeth Covell's parents according to the records and all the documents only married in 1843 in St Phillips Church Parish of Liverpool, after having their all their 4 children from 1830 til 1838. I know his occupation was a mariner and possibly he couldn't have the time off to organise a wedding but the location of the church St Philips Church by Hope St Liverpool is out of their living district (?) which is in Crosbie St, Liverpool. This has stumped me as they are a Catholic family from what their children's baptism's suggest and most Catholic Roman Catholic from their grandchildren and gt grandchildren's baptism's and marriages. How strange maybe the Catholic faith was a growing and developing on as the newer generations were born ?