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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: tamworth on Tuesday 16 October 12 04:49 BST (UK)
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I am looking for a link to the passenger list for the 'ROMA' port of arrival COOKTOWN on the 19th Sept 1883. The passenger that I am looking for is William Barrett dob about 1855. Port of departure: Plymouth, England. Any information would be greatly appreciated. 'tamworth'
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Hi Tamworth,
Are you seeking more details on William Barrett from the passenger list?
And, are you seeking any other info on William after his arrival at Cooktown?
Regards
Gerry
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Cannot see him on the lists, but you can have a look.
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/CollectionsDownloads/Documents/b-barron_c.pdf
Neil
WHOOPS :-[ Blind as Bat :P ::)
W BARRETT age 28 Via Roma 19 Sep 1883 IMM/118 322 Z1960 M1699
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Did your Mr Barrett gain a "Prison Pallor" :o
http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Image/DigitalImageDetails.aspx?ImageId=17337
Neil
There's a pic of him TOOOO
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Did your Mr Barrett gain a "Prison Pallor" :o
http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Image/DigitalImageDetails.aspx?ImageId=17337
Neil
There's a pic of him TOOOO
This is a different William Barrett... the name of the ship & year of arrival are on his prison file ;D
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There are two BARRETT's on the ROMA. Possibly the other is a brother or relation:
ROMA, 19/09/1883, Plymouth to Brisbane via Cooktown & other Ports.
BARRETT W 28yrs arrived Roma, 19 Sep 1883 IMM/118 322 Z1960 M1699
BARRETT G 30yrs arrived Roma, 19 Sep 1883 IMM/118 322 Z1960 M1699
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/CollectionsDownloads/Documents/b-barron_c.pdf
Costs and ordering:
The cost for each ship requested is $17.05. For this fee you will receive a copy of the entire passenger list. Note, single pages for individual names are not provided.
When ordering, you will need to provide the name of the ship=Roma, date=19 Sep 1883, location=IMM/118 and microfilm number=Z1960.
Order form here:
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/CollectionsDownloads/Documents/IndexOrderForm.pdf
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Thank you all for your replies.
'And, are you seeking any other info on William after his arrival at Cooktown'
Yes , any information is appreciated. Thanks again 'tamworth'
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Tamworth.
While I was at the Queensland State Archives today I had a look at microfilm z1960 and found the R.M.S. Roma and I copied the passenger manifest which was very difficult to read because the longhand writing is also in backhand. It looks like that e G & W Barrett disembarked at Townsville & not Cooktown, they travelled steerage.
There are no other details about W & G Barrett.
I can email you the the page re Barrett or any other pages you might need.
Notice in the newspaper re the ship's arrival.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3422187?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Thanks for your reply, Gerry I have since found out that this William cannot be the one that I am looking for. I have found his marriage certificate, he married Susan Cannon in 1878 in Orange NSW the Roma arrived in 1883. I am still trying to find out when he arrived in Australia. 'tamworth'
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There was very little on the W Barrett on the "Roma" anyway, he could easily be listed under different spelling arrangements eg, Barett, Baret, Barratt etc.
Gerry
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There is a family tree that suggests.
William Barrett, born Devon 1857 died 29th July 1907 at Stuart Town NSW with his father as Charles Thomas William Barrett & Mother, Harriett Dyer.
Susan Barret (nee Cannon) died 5th August 1935 at Wellington NSW.
Regards
Gerry
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I have the following relative Sampson Lemons (Lemon) sailed from Plymouth on The Roma arrival date April 1883 at Cooktown, Queensland. His birth date is given as 1862 and he is 21.
I am finding the Australian Records difficult to research. It would be nice if I could at least see the original passenger list.
Can anyone out there be of help to me
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Welcome to RootsChat,
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/Indexes/Immigration/Pages/Immigration1848.aspx
to
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/ImmigrationIndexes/Documents/Assisted-Immigrants-1848-1912-L.pdf
But the "L" pdf does not have a Sampson LEMONS or LEMON listed arriving in Queensland.
The voyage of the Roma that is mentioned in this thread was one arriving in August 1883.
Here is a newspaper cutting showing the vessel in Queensland waters in April/May 1883
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/169525475 Mackay Mercury and South Kennedy Advertiser 2 May 1883.
Sorry, but I cannot find the image of the original passenger list from April 1883.
I am sure there will be RChatters along shortly who do have good understanding of Queensland researchings. I am very NSW centric.
Cheers, JM
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LENNON Samson
21
Roma
Apr 1883
693
18479
Z1960
M1699
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/ImmigrationIndexes/Documents/Roma_1882_Jun_to_1883_Apr_QSA_Item_18479.pdf
PDF page 52
Debra :)
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Well found Debra, snap.
I am only up to page 33 of that pdf.
Cheers, JM
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I can't see any passenger list for the Roma for that date either, although the arrival is mentioned newspapers.
Did your man die in Western Australia?
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/
1907 # 57, registered at Northam
Samson LEMON
There is also at least one newspaper entry for the name "Samson LEMON" but I can only get the index up , not the actual page at the moment.
It is in
The Northam Advertiser, Saturday 18 May 1901
and I think it concerns Samson and some others "being charged with playing an unlawful game for money"
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=samson+lemon
There is another mention in 1899, also at Northam where Samson is giving evidence. Once again, just at present I cannot get the page to load but the summary shows that he said "I am a brick..........." And, IF it's the same Samson LEMON living in Ruabon, Wales in 1881 his occupation was given then as "brickmakers labourer"
His probate notices are on TROVE as well and, apparently he was also known as "Samuel LEMON"
Hopefully Trove will be running better soon.
Good finds, Debra and JM
Judith
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Thank you so much all of you who have replied. It is wonderful. Thank you.
I am sure this is my relative, we have been looking for him for years, he was last in 1881 census at Ruabon, Nr Wrexham and was a brickmakers labourer, oddly enough just seen one of the posts down below it is mentioned that Sampson was a brickmakers labourer in Australia. I did look at the Ls but as one of the folk replying found out he was under Samson Lennon, thank you so much for being so sharp eyed and noticing this. I am overwhelmed that I now have some leads. Later in the day I will click on some of the links and see what I can find. Thank you all. Jenny
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I have been though some of the links kindly sent to me regarding Samson Lemon who went out to Australia on Roma arriving April 1883. I still have to go through a lot more of Trove but I have already thanks to your kindness and links found some very interesting articles. Another question I would like to put, is that I searched for Samson Lemon and Probate as someone had replied that they had seen a probate record for Samson, he died in Northam in 1907. It says he died intestate, I am presuming he died without leaving a will by that. There was actually quite a lot of surviving family, sisters and their families living in Wales and England when he died, but it seems that in the absence of any will as I interpret this, any monies remaining after any debts and probably funeral expenses were paid off went to the government. Is there any way I can obtain a copy of the details of his estate, as he must have left a small amount of money as probate was granted? Sadly I have looked at the marriage records and it looks as though he never married, so his name did not carry on. Jenny (Suzanna)
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An information sheet on Probate:
http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/informationsheet-probate.pdf
You can contact State records and they will advise you about obtaining a copy:
http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/archive-collection/reference-queries
Debra :)
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TROVE is working better today and here is a link to an advertisement re his estate. The same advertisement is repeated a number of times.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/211858607
Accounts of his death - - name given Samuel LEMON.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/211855191
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37813590
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/25707519
There is also a Coroner's verdict on his death
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/211855256
His estate was valued by the Curator of Intestate Estates - Samuel Lemon, Northam £7 10/;
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/90403389
Judith
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Thank you again to those who have again assisted in my query. I found some records on trove but other people were able to find others that have thrown more light on Samsons time in Australia. known also as Samuel.
I wish he had married and The Lemon line had continued in Australia. He seems to have had a bit of a hard life really. I note he was living in "camp" when he was transferred to the hospital, I presume he must have always lived in those kind of lodgings or various boarding houses.
He worked for the famous Ruabon Brick Company and I do wonder if he was assured of a job in Australia, although he did travel free on steerage. He was single, 21, his mother had just died, his sisters all married and moved away and there was just him and his elderly father left. His father died in 1884 at about 84 years of age. He was still working as a Telegraph Messenger in the little town of Ruabon, North Wales. Samson arrived in Australia in 1883.
It has been such a fascinating journey over the last couple of days, and again thank you to all those who have helped me on my voyage! Jenny
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It's nice to find what happened although it seems he did not have a very fulfilling life. It would be interesting to know how he finished up in Northam which is literally from one end of Australia to the other - over 5000 km, having already come from one side of the world to the other.
If he was buried at Northam there does not appear to be a headstone for him. I guess if you only left 7pounds 10shillings...........................
http://northamcemetery.atwebpages.com/index.html
Judith
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Hi Judith, I have been wondering the same myself. My Australian Geography is not great. I live in S W Scotland now. However I see he wa arrested for being drunk and disorderly in Petersham in 1892 reported in Sydney Herald. I am not sure whereabouts that is will try and check it out. He was a brick makers foreman according to a report into his death at Millingtons I think, but he still lived in camp. He was a bit of a step up from a casual labourer if he was a foreman and I have read earlier reports and he held that position when giving a report into a shooting. I would imagine there was a great deal of building going on in Australia at that time which is probably why he came out in the first place, maybe he heard about opportunities from the brickworks in Ruabon where he worked. Maybe his mothers death affected him, he had 4 sisters and he was the baby of the family, sure they would have made much of him but they had all married by 1881 last census report of him over here and started their own families. He seems to have been a nice mannered lad certainly when younger he was injured at Bowers Brickworks about 1874, be only about 12 or 13 then and he was in hospital for 12 weeks so must have been a serious injury. He wrote to the local paper thanking the hospital for his care and named various people in his letter who had been very kind to him during his stay in hospital. I puzzled over his name, he was born Samson Lemon, later Lionel was added as a middle name. He came from a family of very recent Jewish background. His father had been a devout Jew, (know this from Liverpool Archives Synagogue Records) till he married out of the faith, I think it was a desperate measures marriage, although from other things I have read/researched I believe it to have when they both settled down to have been a happy marriage. Samson appears to have changed his name to Samuel unofficially I presume, I wonder if that was to escape from possible Jewish connections. I do wonder though like you, why he did not settle in one place, I am not sure there would have been a lack of job opportunities in the brick trade at that time. I wonder why he did not marry as again he was a step up from a labourer. I think some of his behaviour stems from the hard life of a single man with no stable home and a hard job as well. I don't suppose we will ever know. I don't think as he was British he would have had to apply for naturalisation. I looked at the cemetary records and there is nothing for him which is a bit sad.
He must have been buried in an unmarked grave and even though he only left £7, that was worth a lot more than it would be nowadays. Jenny
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NSW sighting !
Sands Sydney Alphabetical directory 1890
Samuel LEMON, painter, 8 Vine St Redfern.
NB, Like Redfern, Petersham is a suburb of Sydney, both on the same Western railway line.
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory annual directory from 1858 to 1933 :) :) :)
NB, from the 1892 Suburban Streets Directory the person at 8 Vine St Redfern was listed as Andrew ALPIN. and from the 1891 Trades Directory under "Painter" there's no one with a surname anywhere near to Lemon or Lennon or similar.
Sands 1895
Samuel LENNON, 16 Little Albion St
Cheers, JM
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I have been having a quick look at the records for Australia on Ancestry as well. There are not many. Now I know the death details for Samuel Lemon are correct as one of the inquest recordings I found states Samson or Samuel Lemon and the brickyard foreman would be correct as that was his trade. I note there is a Samuel Lemon over Sydney way as per directory a painter as per another kid reply. I am wondering if this is the same person? There is also a Samuel Lemon came over in 1874 according to the immigration lists. This will not be Samson Lemon of 1883 as we have been discussing who went over on Roma. I will just have to check the other information I hold though as to whether it relates to Samson also known at death certainly as Samuel (both names given) or the other Samuel Lemon who was I think born about 1834. I think what I have is okay, but possibly not the directory entry, but then who can say? He does not have a marked grave at Northam, but I presume he would be interred in an unmarked grave there and I can write to Northam Cemetery and ask about an unmarked grave? Jenny