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Title: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: macbun on Monday 15 October 12 21:28 BST (UK)
Hello
Can anyone help with these searches as I am not having much luck.
Trying to trace the death date (and cause of Death if possible ) of
Daniel Rodgers, i belive the date would be between 1903, and not after April 1909.
The place of death could have been either Ballintoy, Ramoan or Ballycastle all in county Antrim.
I believe that Daniel may have been still married to Catherine at the time of his death


I am also trying to trace the date of birth for John Rodgers who I believe was the son of Daniel above.
The 1911 census shows  John to be 3 , so i take it that the birth year is around 1909.
Daniels mother had already re married at that stage.
Her details are
Catherine McLaughlin, previous married name was Rodgers, having been married to Daniel. Her name at birth would have been Simpson.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: kingskerswell on Monday 15 October 12 22:07 BST (UK)
Hi,
   There was a death registered in Ballycastle in Jul- Sept quarter for Daniel Rodgers, age 27 Vol 1 page 47.
In case you are not aware on 15 Oct 1903 Daniel Rogers married Catherine Simpson in Ballintoy Church of Ireland. On 22 Apr 1909 Patrick McLaughlin married Catherine Rodgers in Ramoan Church of Ireland.

Regards
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: kingskerswell on Monday 15 October 12 22:17 BST (UK)
Missed a bit! Year of Daniel's death was 1904.

Regards
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 15 October 12 22:19 BST (UK)
In case you are not aware on 15 Oct 1903 Daniel Rogers married Catherine Simpson in Ballintoy Church of Ireland. On 22 Apr 1909 Patrick McLaughlin married Catherine Rodgers in Ramoan Church of Ireland.

Marriages already posted on another thread-
   15 Oct 1903 Daniel Rodgers married Catherine Simpson in Ballintoy Church of Ireland, Ballycastle.
   22 Apr 1909 Patrick McLaughlin married Catherine Rodgers in Ramoan Church of Ireland, Ballycastle.

  There was a death registered in Ballycastle in Jul- Sept quarter for Daniel Rodgers, age 27 Vol 1 page 47.
Note: the year is 1904. You'd need to get the death certificate to find exact date, place and cause of death.

The 1911 census shows  John to be 3 , so i take it that the birth year is around 1909.
1911 minus 3 is 1908 so John could have been born 1907 or 1908 if the age is correct.

Going back to the 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycastle/Mill_Street/112796
If Daniel Rodgers died in 1904 then it's unlikely that he was John's father but as his mother's surname would have been Rodgers that's the surname he'd have been known by.[/s]
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: macbun on Tuesday 16 October 12 07:48 BST (UK)
Thanks to all that posted thats been a great help.

Has anyone had any luck with John Rodgers date of birth?

all the best

Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 16 October 12 09:56 BST (UK)
You can search the civil registration index (free) at www.familysearch.org to see if you can find a registration for John- closest I found for a John Rodgers in Ballycastle reg. dist. was one in 1908. However, since he may have been illegitimate he could have been registered under another surname.
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: mwylie on Thursday 21 May 15 01:18 BST (UK)
Thanks to all that posted thats been a great help.

Has anyone had any luck with John Rodgers date of birth?

John Rogers
22nd March 1908
Ballycastle
no mother's name
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: macbun on Thursday 21 May 15 20:48 BST (UK)
Thanks very much  for taking the time to  reply with that information,  it's a great  help,
all the best
Paul
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: mwylie on Thursday 21 May 15 23:10 BST (UK)
Thanks very much  for taking the time to  reply with that information,  it's a great  help,
all the best Paul

   marriage      
   7th Feb 1873   Moyle RD [Ballycastle]   
   Samuel   Roger   
   Margaret   Logan   
         
   Birthplace:   Ballycastle/Croagh   
   Father   Samuel Rodgers   
   Mother    Margaret  Logan   
   Name:   James Rodgers   
   Birth Date:   05 Apr 1874   
   Death   20 July 1874   
   Name:   Daniel Rodgers   
   Birth Date:   04 Mar 1877   
   Father Residence   Ballinastraid   
         
   mother: Simpson   Ballycastle / Ballycastle   
   23rd Jan 1910   William McLaughlin   
   19th Feb 1912   Catharine McLaughlin   
   25th July 1913   James McLaughlin   
         
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: mwylie on Friday 22 May 15 01:45 BST (UK)

Thanks very much  for taking the time to  reply with that information,  it's a great  help,
all the best Paul

   death
Ballycastle / Ballycastle
Catherine McLaughlin
1st April 1915  - age 28
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: FlowerofScotland on Monday 05 October 20 22:26 BST (UK)
Hi

I believe that Catherine McLaughlin may have been my great grandmother.  My grandfather was James Mclaughlin and was a son of Patrick and Catherine.  If correct I am led to believe he and his siblings were orphaned and brought up on the family farm ?  Does anyone have any information on them at all ?

I have been told that Patrick died in France and has no known grave but no other details are known and I never met James

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 06 October 20 10:51 BST (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat  :)

My grandfather was James Mclaughlin and was a son of Patrick and Catherine. 

Is this your grandfather James, born on 25th July 1913 in Ballycastle?   MMN Simpson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01444/1590752.pdf

There are three other children born in Ballycastle with MMN Simpson.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01pxe/

KG

Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 06 October 20 12:18 BST (UK)
Rifleman Patrick McLaughlin (2nd Battalion Royal Irish Rifles #5736) killed in action 27 Oct.1914. His wife died Apr.195 'following a short illness' and 'her five young children were now orphans.' The family lived Mill St., Ballycastle and Patrick was a labourer so not sure what family farm you mean.

Details on Patrick's war time found (with photo) in Ballycastle Heroes by Robert Thompson (2011).
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: FlowerofScotland on Tuesday 06 October 20 12:38 BST (UK)
Hi

Thank you for your kind reply and I believe him and his brother were sent to live with a family on a farm after they were orphaned ?  Never met him so trying to trace back what's been handed down through the family.

Kind regards
Julie
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 06 October 20 12:47 BST (UK)
Five children, all very young, were likely doled out to various relatives or even neighbours who could look after them.

Catherine McLaughlin was only 28 when she died- place of death is Le(a)land and informant Ann Campbell of same place.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05275/4464535.pdf
Baby Eliza Jane born a few days earlier-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01389/1571234.pdf

Off to check a few things...
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 06 October 20 12:55 BST (UK)
1911 census lists 2 children- John Rodgers & William Kerr McLaughlin-
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycastle/Mill_Street/112796/

So, the 'five young children' were-
John Rodgers (c1908)
William Kerr Laughlin (1910)- mother's name Cassie
Catherine (1912)
James (1913)
Eliza Jane (1915)

Wonder if this is the Ann Campbell informant when Catherine & Eliza Jane born and mother Catherine died-
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycastle/Fairhill_Street/112733/
Or this Ann Campbell?
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycastle/Castle_Street/112705/
Both have McLaughlin relatives in household but that may be merely a co-incidence and nothing to do with your McLaughlins.

Added- https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/cary/ramoan/town-parks/
Title: Re: Daniel and John Rodgers
Post by: FlowerofScotland on Wednesday 07 October 20 14:14 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for that info in the course of 48 hours I have discovered so much about my family i knew nothing about

Julie