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Title: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: grice on Sunday 14 October 12 14:16 BST (UK)
Hi List, is anyone researching Minard or Hough from Derby.


Thank you

neil
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: Derbysderek on Sunday 14 October 12 22:22 BST (UK)
Probably nt..but if you make clear what you're looking for..I'm sure we can find it........for instance..would that be GEORGE MINARD and EDITH HOUGH?????????????..there are wonder workers on here..!!

Derek
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: grice on Monday 15 October 12 12:08 BST (UK)
Thank you for you reply Derbysderek.

This is what i have so far.

William Thomas Minard m Edith Hough    March quarter 1907.....They were my grand parents.

Sidlings.

Florence b March quarter  1914.
Dorothy  b Sept quarter    1916.
Mary       b March quarter  1920......My Mother.
Gladys    b Sept quarter     1922.
Maud      b  Dec quarter     1924.

I have the Minards back to 1854 but it is the Hough's i am having problems finding  them further back.

Best regards


neil
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 15 October 12 12:50 BST (UK)
This could be Edith in 1901?
Reference RG13, Piece 3214, Folio 11, Page 14
H.3, C.1 Wright Street, Derby House 3, Court 1?)

Hough, John  Head  M  45  General Carter  b Snelston, Notts
Hough, Harriet  Wife  F  33  b Yeovily, Derbyshire Yeaveley?
Hough, Edith  Daughter  F  13  b Derby
Hough, Florrie  Daughter  F 12  b Derby
Hough, Harry  Son  M  10  b Derby
Hough, Elsie  Daughter  F  8  b Derby
Hough, Jack  Son  M  6  b Derby
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: Derbysderek on Monday 15 October 12 12:52 BST (UK)
Hello Neil...........I don't think this is a problem..but if you have the marriage in 1907..do you have Edith's parents??????

There appear to be two possibilities for the Hough family...depending on the Parents of Edith Hough.....at the moment I am looking at the parents being John and Harriet..in which case we go back into Notts rather than derbys...........but do not want to follow that line too closely till you confirm the parents.

The other possibility..though I'm sure there are others, is the Ashbourne area.......

Incidentally the marriage in 1907 produced two earlier children: Edith Ellen 1907/8 and William Thomas 1911..

I can proceed further if you get back to me.

Derek.
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 15 October 12 12:58 BST (UK)
Another census gives Edith's birth c1888!
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: Derbysderek on Monday 15 October 12 13:00 BST (UK)
I have now seen the marriage entry for the marriage at St. Werbergh's 28.01.1907..on which the groom's father is GEORGE..and the Bride's father is JOHN..so i will proceed on the basis of that. Incidentally the 1901 shows JOHN HOUGH fron Snelston Notts............Snelston is actually in the Ashbourne District of Derbyshire.it is Selston that is in Notts............John's wife Harriet came from Yeaveley also in the Ashbourne area..and if I'm on the right track EDITH HOUGH daughter of John and Harriet was born 05.09.1887..and baptised at St.Paul Derby 02.10.1887........if this is correct i have the resources to go back to the Ark!!

Derek.
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 15 October 12 13:15 BST (UK)
John's wife Harriet came from Yeaveley also in the Ashbourne area

Transcribed as Yeovil on Ancestry!! ::)
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: grice on Monday 15 October 12 13:22 BST (UK)
Thank you Derbysderek. Yes William Thomas and Edith ellen are siblings sorry i missed them both so i think you have found there parents..

Thank you KGarrad.I think that may be the family.


neil
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: sunflower on Monday 15 October 12 13:32 BST (UK)
Hi Neil

Looking at all the other censuses, it is John Hough who gives his birth place as Yeaveley, Derbyshire & Harriett gives her birth place as Selston / Snelston.  I think it must have been written the wrong way round on the 1901 census.

Do you have access to the census records?

Carol
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: sunflower on Monday 15 October 12 13:38 BST (UK)
John Hough m Harriett Harrison
Dec Q 1885 Derby
7b 860

Carol
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: grice on Monday 15 October 12 13:41 BST (UK)
Thank you sunflower, no i do not have access to census records.

neil
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: sunflower on Monday 15 October 12 13:44 BST (UK)
1891 census
5, Exeter Street, St Alkmund, Derby

HOUGH, John Head    Married   M 38 1853 General Labourer
Yeaveley, Derbyshire       
HOUGH, Harriet  Wife Married   F 25 1866 Snelston, Derbyshire    
HOUGH, Edith Daughter    F 3    1888    Derby, Derbyshire    
HOUGH, Florence Daughter    F 2    1889    
Derby, Derbyshire       
HOUGH, Harry Son    M    0 (2M)    1891    
Derby, Derbyshire

Carol
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: Derbysderek on Monday 15 October 12 13:51 BST (UK)
The marriage of JOHN HOUGH and HARRIETT HARRISON took place at St paul DERBY 13.12.1885..and in case the marriage and baptisms at derby disturbs you..then Derby is only a stone's throw ( a big stone)//from Ashbourne..and Snelston, Yeaveley and Shirley are all on the way............incidentally..Yeaveley used to be in the parish of Shirley..and there are a couple of earlier Hough's in the Shirley registers.........may or may not be lnked.

Derek.
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: sunflower on Monday 15 October 12 13:51 BST (UK)
1861 census
Cottage, Yeaveley Township, Yeaveley

HOUGH, John Head    Married   M 38 1823 AgriculturalLabourer
Biggin, Derbyshire        
HOUGH, Elizabeth    Wife Married F 38 1823 Agricultural Labourers Wife
Yeaveley, Derbyshire       
HOUGH, Elizabeth    Daughter    F 7 1854    ScholarYeaveley, Derbyshire    
HOUGH, John Son    M 5 1856    ScholarYeaveley, Derbyshire       
HOUGH, Sarah    Daughter    F 3 1858    Yeaveley, Derbyshire
HOUGH, Thomas    Son    M 0 (7M)    1861    Yeaveley, Derbyshire

Carol   
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: Derbysderek on Monday 15 October 12 13:54 BST (UK)
we may have a slight problem....look at 1881..on which John is married to Georgana..Georgiana?....and since he didn't marry Harriet till 1885..looks like he married twice.............

Derek.
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: sunflower on Monday 15 October 12 13:56 BST (UK)
1871 census
Booth Hay, Yeaveley

He is aged 16 working as a servant (cowman) for Joseph Potter, farmer.

Carol
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: Derbysderek on Monday 15 October 12 14:03 BST (UK)
We may be looking at two different men........there is also a john hough died 1884.......
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: sunflower on Monday 15 October 12 14:13 BST (UK)
When I was looking through the censuses there was also another John Hough around living at Kirk Langley.  The death reg on FreeBMD for John Hough is Belper which covers Kirk Langley, so It could be him

I would suggest Neil that you start buying a few certificates to confirm that we have the right one.

Carol
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: sunflower on Monday 15 October 12 14:16 BST (UK)
Yes it was the one from Kirk Langley

John Hough aged 28 buried 9 Feb 1884 at Kirk Langley

Carol
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: Derbysderek on Monday 15 October 12 15:38 BST (UK)
Yes carol..I agree...because one has parents William and Elizabeth..the other has parents John and Elizabeth...and of course Kirk Langley is another place in the close enclave...........

Derek
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: Derbysderek on Monday 15 October 12 20:27 BST (UK)
Ok........this might be a complete waste of time, because it is simply eliminating the wrong JOHN HOUGH........but it does appear to eliminate the Kirk Langley one............BUT this one WAS buried at Kirk Langley 09.02.1884.and did NOT marry HARRIET HARRISON.................

So William(son of Thomas) and Elizabeth Hough (nee RUSHTON) married at Kirk Langley 08.11.1837..and had TEN children, all baptised at Kirk Langley between 1838 and 1858..among which was JOHN HOUGH baptised 27.01.1856...........it is an inconceivable co-incidence if this is NOT the John Hough buried 09.02.1884 aged 28.so I SUGGEST that the John Hough born 1856 who married Harriet Harrison (probably his second marriage) 13.12.1885 in Derby..was in fact son of JOHN and ELIZABETH...........probably of Yeaveley.....now all I have to do is prove it.........

Derek.
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: lynnf on Wednesday 17 October 12 21:31 BST (UK)
Hi
John Hough and Harriet Harrison where my GGgrandparents. Johns parents were John Hough And Elizabeth Gadsby they married Aug 2 1843 at yeavely, I have the marriage certificate  but both fathers are deceased and not named on the certificate I haven't got any further with them.

Harriet's parents were William Harrison 1828-1901 Anne Moore c1826-1899
Elsie Hough my G grandma lived at 17 wright street at the time of her marriage in 1913 Derby

Lynn

Edith's was Elsie's Sister have spoken to my dad today and he remembers the name Minard in the family, if its of any help.
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: lynnf on Saturday 20 October 12 20:39 BST (UK)
A reply would have been nice :(
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: grice on Sunday 21 October 12 09:38 BST (UK)
Lynnf im sorry for the late reply,heavy work commitments.Thank you for your reply i i need to get my grand parents marrage certificate to see who there parents were.

Once again thank you

neil
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: lynnf on Sunday 21 October 12 16:49 BST (UK)
Hi Neil
I have the marriage certificate for John Hough and Harriet Harrison they are the parents of Elsie Hough she had a sister Edith who married William Thomas
Minard.
Are these the Grandparents your looking for  or do I have it wrong

Lynn
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: grice on Sunday 21 October 12 17:42 BST (UK)
Yes it sounds like them. Edith Hough and William Thomas Minard were my Grand parents.

Regards

neil
Title: Re: Minard / Hough Derby
Post by: jayjam on Wednesday 16 January 13 22:44 GMT (UK)
Hi
I am also related to this family.  John Hough (born c.1823) at Biggin and his wife Elizabeth (nee Gadsby) born c. Dec 1822 at Yeaveley are my 3x great grandparents. Their daughter Eliza and her second husband Charles Stone are my 2x great grandparents.
I am having difficulty going any further back but suspect that John's parents might be John Hough of Hulland Ward and Ann Kirkland who married in 1820 at Wirksworth. (Biggin was part of Wirksworth parish, but there is no corresponding baptism for John).
Elizabeth Gadsby's parents were Thomas and Sarah (nee Smith) who married on 19 Aug 1822 at Shirley. Sarah's parents were William and Elizabeth Smith.  I have not viewed the actual parish registers yet.
Regards
Jayjam