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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: mahnrut on Saturday 13 October 12 13:27 BST (UK)
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I have been searching for over 20 years for the parents of my 3G Grandfather Daniel Dickerson. From the 1841 census and his age at death in 1847 it seems he was born c. 1775. He was a Baptist and likely his parents so the fact that the C of E records show nothing is not surprising. His children were registered at birth in the Wattisham Baptist Church from 1801 on (he was married to Eliz. Meakins in the Ringshall Parish Church in 1800). While searching through old files at the Ipswich Record Office (I live in the USA but my sister lives in Ipswich) I found a c. 1831 listing of men in Combs where Daniel lived at that time and there he was, a shoemaker who said he "belonged" to Weasted which I and the librarians there decided was Wherstead just outside Ipswich. I know that in the late 1700s the Baptists in the Wattisham area walked to the Woolverstone Bap.Church which is also outside Ipswich after getting disenchanted with the nearer Baptist Church at Bildeston and wondered whether Daniel in Wherstead met them then and moved out to the Wattisham area. There is a Dickerson family in the Ipswich area (Bucklesham) and they have a Daniel born around the same time but I am in contact with those researchers and we have come to the conclusion that my Daniel and theirs are likely related but not the same person.
This is really a long shot as I think I have looked at every concievable piece of information out there including going to Oxford to look at the Bildeston Baptist Church papers in a library there (virtually no names and no Dickersons!).
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Welcome to Rootschat ;)
The only two parishes with a W at the front and a stead at the end are indeed Wherstead, and Whepstead in west Suffolk.
I have not been able to find a reference to a non-conformist place of worship in Whepstead so far back, although worshippers could travel to Bury St Edmunds perhaps?
Hope you find some help, there are some great detectives here 8)
Pat ...
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Thanks Pat and hope you are well. I am attaching a pic of the list with the belong place in it for others to see but I think Wherstead is it and in any case there is nothing in the C of E records for either Wherstead (went to the church there when last in Ipswich) or Whepstead. I can only hope more Baptist records are found (not likely unfortunately) or someone has a family bible out there!
Barbara
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Hi..
I'm related to the Dickerson family from Suffolk..As far as I know I don't have any from Wherstead, most were born in Bucklesham, Suffolk and Ipswich, Suffolk....I wonder if we do have a connection somewhere!!
Best wishes
Jules...
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I have a sideline of a David Dickerson born Barking c1801 who married Alice Ramplin in Coombs in 1824 and they had their children in Hitcham, which is where Alice was from. I don't have a baptism for David so don't know his father was as I'm only researching the Ramplin(g)s of Hitcham. Have you looked a all the CofE parishes in that area?
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Hi,
Do you have the details of Daniel Dickerson resident in Woolverston c. 1773? He married and was buried there in C of E but no baptisms of any children in the C of E registers. In that your Daniel was born c. 1775 there could be a connection. Would be glad to share the details I have should you need.
Stephen
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I have a sideline of a David Dickerson born Barking c1801 who married Alice Ramplin in Coombs in 1824 and they had their children in Hitcham, which is where Alice was from. I don't have a baptism for David so don't know his father was as I'm only researching the Ramplin(g)s of Hitcham. Have you looked a all the CofE parishes in that area?
Hello
I have the details for David who is in my family if you want to email me at (*).
Barbara Turnham
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Hi,
Do you have the details of Daniel Dickerson resident in Woolverston c. 1773? He married and was buried there in C of E but no baptisms of any children in the C of E registers. In that your Daniel was born c. 1775 there could be a connection. Would be glad to share the details I have should you need.
Stephen
Hi Stephen
My Daniel married in 1800 in Ringshall and registered his children in a Baptist church near there so wasn't the same Daniel as you have. If you email me at (*) I can put you in touch with the person who knows about the Bucklesham area Dickersons which is probably the same family as your Daniel.
Barbara Turnham
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My Baptist ancestors living in Chelmodiston and Wherstead baptised their children late 18th century at Stoke Green Baptist church Ipswich. have you looked in their records for Daniel's baptism abt 1775?
Hephzibah
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Thanks for this suggestion Hephzibah but I have looked at Stoke Baptist records and any other records for Baptists in the area and nothing. The main problem is that they are not that old and my Daniel was in the Wattisham Baptist area in 1800. I have gone to extraordinary lengths I think to find Baptist information even going to Oxford to look at Bildeston Baptist records in a small library there (hard to get into unless you know an academic there which I did) with no luck. I am hoping for a family bible or some personal record like that to turn up but they were not affluent so probably unlikely.
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Only other local place I can think of looking where records were kept and which you have probably already looked at, are those of Eld Lane in Colchester. In the Ipswich area there was a lot of interaction between the dissenting congregations in Suffolk and along the Essex border and I'm aware that there was a connection between Eld Lane and Stoke Green around the last half of the 18th century.
I'm sure that some time or other a needle has been found in a haystack so good luck in your searching amid the dissenting congregations in Suffolk!
Hephzibah
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Hephzibah
Actually I haven't looked outside of Suffolk. Do you know by any chance if the Colchester records are online and what period they cover as, as I said before, I have found little before the beginning of the 19th century in general?
You mention the interactions between the Baptist congregations and I think that my Daniel probably ended up in the Wattisham area because the congregation in that area walked to Woolverstone to worship after getting disillusioned with the Bildeston Baptist which of course was nearer. My guess is that he met his future wife that way and moved from Wherstead but this is definitely in the realms of conjecture!
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Hi,
Colchester PRs are online, in the Essex Records office SEAX system under Essex Ancestors, using the link below you can check out (for free) the various Colchester PRs and the periods they cover. It is Pay to View to view the PR digital Images but the fees are quite modest, Colchester has quite a few churches.
https://secureweb1.essexcc.gov.uk/seaxpam2012/EssexAncestors.aspx
Regards
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Hi Mahnrut
This is my third post; hopefully will be able to send a PM henceforth. Thanks for your reply that I have only just become aware of. The Dickerson family relates to a friend, for whom, as I have carried out extensive research in Suffolk for my lines, I have kept a look out for the Dickersons. She is related to/from those in Bucklesham. She had hit a brick wall re the baptism of David born c. 1740 who married Sarah Asbey. Now in Woolverstone- close to Wherstead and as you probably are aware- there is a Daniel Dickerson born c. 1746 who married twice- firstly in 1773. It seems possible that the Daniel you mention born c. 1775 could possibly be a son of the Daniel in Woolverstone. The problem being that there are no baptisms of children of Daniel in or around Woolverstone/Wherstead to confirm or otherwise. From other baptismal records I have found it is highly likely that Daniel in Woolverstone is a brother of David in Bucklesham and hence could take the line (possibly yours) back at least one more generation. As far as I know no one else has as yet been able to find the baptisms/parents of Daniel born c. 1746 and David born c. 1740.
In that this line might be yours will be glad to share should you wish.
Regards
Stephen
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Steg
It sounds as if you have done a lot of work on the Dickersons in the Ipswich area and I would be very happy to make contact privately. My email address is (*)t. Thanks a lot. Barbara (Dickerson) Turnham formerly of Ipswich but a long-time Washington DC resident!.
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findem
Thanks so much for the link. Will go to work!
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Thanks Findem, the Essex Record site is a useful one to hear about.
The info I have re records differ slightly from those on the essex cc. site.
In 'My Ancestors were Baptists' by Geoffrey R Breed, the Eld Lane records are as follows,
Births 1767 - 1837 RG4/1510
Burials 1788 - 1807 " "
Burials 1816 - 1837 RG4/801
Hepzibah
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Thanks Findem, the Essex Record site is a useful one to hear about.
The info I have re records differ slightly from those on the essex cc. site.
In 'My Ancestors were Baptists' by Geoffrey R Breed, the Eld Lane records are as follows,
Births 1767 - 1837 RG4/1510
Burials 1788 - 1807 " "
Burials 1816 - 1837 RG4/801
Hepzibah
Just to close the loop. No luck at Eld Lane for Daniel Dickerson and no Dickersons per se. Thanks for the suggestion though Findem. Perhaps others will have more luck. Barbara
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Hello Barbara,
Just a 'heads up' :)
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Pat ...
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In reply to questions about Daniel Dickerson, a shoemaker, who was registering baptisms at Wattisham Baptist Church in Suffolk from 1801, I have at last traced the family back to Woolverstone in Suffolk to Daniel Dickerson of Woolverstone born 1746. I have connected him to the Bucklesham Dickerson.
Liz
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Thanks. I likely was the first poster asking about the parents of Daniel Dickerson c 1775 who was a member of the Wattisham Baptist Church in the early 1800s. I have just come back to rootschat after many years and just saw this. I have come to the same conclusion as you I think but without hard evidence but who else could it be kind of reasoning.