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Title: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Saturday 13 October 12 12:01 BST (UK)
Cain     Albert Edward

Please please please anyone out there related to or have any information on Edward      
He was my Grandfather  ans sadly my mum and her sister never met hi   i have he army record  
 he was born to  James Cain and Maria Augustus Cain   he did serve in the first war and  and i do believe he was born in Coolamon   i am just after 1 picture  i promised my mum before she died i would keep looking
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 13 October 12 12:28 BST (UK)
Hi Bubs,

Go to http://www.mundia.com/ and register as a member (it is free)

After logging in click on "Find People" at the top of the page.

Enter his full name and then click through to the family trees which have been submitted.  There are photos there.

It seems to be the same person - born c1898 Muckatah, Victoria, died December 1961 at Coolamon (registered 1962).

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 13 October 12 13:23 BST (UK)
I don't know if we have the same person here - I can see his brother Charles' WW1 service record, but not one for Albert Edward.  Did he enlist under a different name?

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 13 October 12 22:14 BST (UK)
There are quite a few Cain buried at Coolamon cemetery. The Albert Edward there was 63 at time of death. James, Augusta and Charles are at Rannock, which is in the same shire.

http://www.coolamon.nsw.gov.au/f.ashx/Community/CEMETERY_DATABASE_PRINT.pdf

Jamjar
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: bubs on Saturday 13 October 12 22:24 BST (UK)
Hi Bubs,

Go to http://www.mundia.com/ and register as a member (it is free)

After logging in click on "Find People" at the top of the page.

Enter his full name and then click through to the family trees which have been submitted.  There are photos there.

It seems to be the same person - born c1898 Muckatah, Victoria, died December 1961 at Coolamon (registered 1962).

Debra  :)
thank you so much will look into that  to-day BUBS
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: bubs on Saturday 13 October 12 22:25 BST (UK)
Thank you Debra i will certainly join that today   many thanks Bubs
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 13 October 12 22:26 BST (UK)
Information on your great grandmother?

http://members.optusnet.com.au/cbuerckner/AugustaMariaBuerckner.htm

Jamjar
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: bubs on Saturday 13 October 12 22:27 BST (UK)
Tank you Jamar  will do that today  and i will let and Debra Know how i get on  many thanks.Bubs

Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 13 October 12 22:32 BST (UK)
Bubs, was Albert married? If so to whom?

Jamjar
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: bubs on Saturday 13 October 12 22:46 BST (UK)
Jamjar   I believe he was married to Minnie Hylatt  and they had 2 girls that passed away very young   .
He then met my Grandmother and had 2 girls   unfortunately he was not married to my nan
Bubs
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 13 October 12 23:05 BST (UK)
Interesting to note that a Minne is also buried in the same section of the cemetery. Together, maybe?

Jamjar
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: cando on Sunday 14 October 12 10:53 BST (UK)
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lease please please anyone out there related to or have any information on Edward     
He was my Grandfather  ans sadly my mum and her sister never met hi   i have he army record 
he was born to  James Cain and Maria Augustus Cain   he did serve in the first war and  and i do believe he was born in Coolamon   i am just after 1 picture  i promised my mum before she died i would keep looki

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Jamjar   I believe he was married to Minnie Hylatt  and they had 2 girls that passed away very young   .
He then met my Grandmother and had 2 girls   unfortunately he was not married to my nan
Bubs

Birth in Victoria
CAIN Albert Edward
Father James  Mother Maria BUERCKNEL   [Should be BUERCKNER]
At Katamatite  1898  Reg#4151

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katamatite

I cannot find a WW1 service record for Albert Edward CAIN

Marriage in NSW
12233/1923    
CAIN    Albert E    
AYLETT Minnie E   
District Junee

Australian Electoral Roll
NSW 1930
CAIN Albert Edward Coolamon  Labourer
CAIN Minnie Evelyn Lewis Street, Coolamon  HD

1936
CAIN Albert Edward  Lewis Street, Coolamon  Labourer
CAIN Esther Elizabeth  Coolamon  HD
CAIN Francis Thomas  Coolamon  Labourer
CAIN Minnie Evelyn  Lewis Street, Coolamon HD

1937
CAIN Albert Edward  Lewis Street, Coolamon  Labourer
CAIN Francis Thomas  Coolamon  Labourer
CAIN Minnie Evelyn  Lewis Street, Coolamon  HD

1943
CAIN Albert Edward  Stinson Street, Coolamon  Labourer
CAIN Minnie Evelyn  Stinson Street, Coolamon  HD

1949
CAIN Albert Edward  Iverach Street, Coolamon  Labourer
CAIN Florence Annie Stinson Street, Coolamon HD
CAIN Francis Thomas  Stinson Street, Coolamon  Labourer
CAIN Minnie Evelyn  Iverach Street, Coolamon  HD

1954
CAIN Albert Edward Inverach Street, Coolamon  Labourer
CAIN Florence Annie  Stinson Street, coolamon  HD
CAIN Francis Thomas  Stinson Street, Coolamon  Labourer
CAIN John Edward  Iverach Street, Coolamon  Share farmer
CAIN Minnie Evelyn  Iverach Street, Coolamon  HD

1963, 1968
CAIN Minnie Evelyn  Iverach Street, Coolamon HD

1980
CAIN Minnie Evelyn  101 Mirrool Street, Coolamon  HD

Albert and Minnie's children
Leslie Albert Died in 1925
Pauline Mavis 1923-1923
Margaret Jean 1926-1987   

There is a mention of six living people also.

Albert and Minnie are buried in adjacent graves. Minnie died in 1988.   There is a photo of their headstone at Coolamon Cemetery on the link given by Debra.  There is also a photo of Albert with his sister and brother taken in 1961.


Cheers :)
Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: bubs on Monday 15 October 12 00:00 BST (UK)
MANY THANKS
BUBS
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: cando on Monday 15 October 12 00:08 BST (UK)
Bubs I have a bit of a concern here.....is Albert Edward CAIN born Victoria the right person.  You call him Edward and mention you have his WW1 service file.  Could you please give us his age and place of birth that would be shown on the first page.

Previously you thought your Edward was born in 1896 and died in 1946 before you were born.

It can be confusing when researching similar names :)

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: cando on Monday 15 October 12 01:07 BST (UK)
Ah...found the posts...

You are lucky to have your aunt's book to help you with your family research.

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my mums sister wrote a book on her life and all her faters details of his war years were in that  and i never got in touch till years after  ,
i am not sure if i will follow much further but at least i can tell my children who their g/father was
Bubs

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I am looking for Albert Edward Cain
bornn 8th july 1896 or 1899
died 24th october 1946  buried Rookkwood not sure what denomination
Bubs

Have you found your Nan on the electoral rolls?

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: rosball on Monday 15 October 12 08:42 BST (UK)
There is a probate package for an Albert Edward Cain at NSW state records
http://api.records.nsw.gov.au/

Date of death 28-12-1961 and probate granted 28-5-1962

regards,
   Ros
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: rosball on Monday 15 October 12 09:50 BST (UK)
From  the SMH 5 May 1962 Probate Notice
It appears that Albert Edward Cain, was a deceased farmer from Coolamon.  His will had been made on 10(?)th August 1942 and Minnie Evelyn Cain was the executrix named in the will.  Another executor named in the will was Ernest Kevin Leary (in the will referred to as Kevin Leary) and he had renounced probate.  So within 14 days application for probate was to be granted to Minnie Evelyn Cain.

regards,
   Ros
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: Essie on Monday 15 October 12 10:09 BST (UK)
War Service Records ??? ???

WW1 - CAIN Albert : Service #3259A : POB Melbourne VIC : POE Melbourne VIC  (both parents dead)
WW2 - CAIN Albert : Service # N72046 : Date of birth - 08 Jul 1896 : Place of birth - NTH MELBOURNE VIC


Burial in Rookwood RC section.
CAIN Albert  aged 50
Buried: 26/10/1946
Plot:  SEC*M2*14**261


Essie
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: cando on Monday 15 October 12 10:37 BST (UK)
Essie you are not alone in wondering about that service file ;) 

The research about the 1896 birth and 1946 death appears to have moved.   Perhaps we could help if Bub could give us some snippets about her grandfather from her aunt's book.  The WW1 service file number would also help us to help her with her research.

There is no Albert CAIN birth registered in 1896 in Victoria.

Bubs is this the WW1 service record you have
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=3184098&S=1&T=R

WW2 service summary
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=309063

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: cando on Monday 15 October 12 11:41 BST (UK)
Albert CAIN states he was born 8 Jul 1896 North Melbourne on Page 7 of the WW2 service file, however when he gave the information for his enlistment he stated on 6 Jul 1915 that he was 21 years and 1 month ie born Jun 1894.  I can find no birth for either year in Victoria.

Bubs can you help us with information from the service file you have please?

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: Dundee on Monday 15 October 12 14:03 BST (UK)
This Albert CAIN possibly had a brother Herbert CAIN who also enlisted.  Addresses and relatives are a match.

http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/3184246/

He misbehaved terribly but came good in the end and was awarded the Military Medal for gallant and conspicuous devotion to duty.

He married in England while serving and the details are on page 13 of the service record.  He says his father was Peter CAIN, an engineer.

Letters in Albert's service record show that he was in NSW in 1928 and 1938.

Bubs if you think that this may be your man from the information that you have, then we could probably puts our heads together and find out who he was.

I think it might be one of those families with some complicated relationships and would be a lot of work if he is not the right one.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: bubs on Sunday 28 October 12 01:55 BST (UK)
To everyone who is helping me with Albert  Cain  ,i am sorry have been out for awhile  and will be out for a bit longer  but hang in i will be back as soon as possible  Bubs.

Many Many Thanks so far.BUBS
Title: Re: Albert Edward Cain
Post by: bubs on Tuesday 12 February 13 09:28 GMT (UK)
This Albert CAIN possibly had a brother Herbert CAIN who also enlisted.  Addresses and relatives are a match.

http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/3184246/

He misbehaved terribly but came good in the end and was awarded the Military Medal for gallant and conspicuous devotion to duty.

He married in England while serving and the details are on page 13 of the service record.  He says his father was Peter CAIN, an engineer.

Letters in Albert's service record show that he was in NSW in 1928 and 1938.

Bubs if you think that this may be your man from the information that you have, then we could probably puts our heads together and find out who he was.

I think it might be one of those families with some complicated relationships and would be a lot of work if he is not the right one.

Debra  :) this is a very hard one to crack   will be back online in full in 3 weeks

Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Friday 12 April 13 09:57 BST (UK)
Thank you all Debra Essie and Cando  and anyone i have missed   have not been on this sight for months till a week or so ago.
Albert s number was 3259A and   in the book it says he was buried in Rookwood  cemetery died 1946 

all i need now is to trace that family  and get a picture of his Grave    i am so thankful to all you kind people
Bubs
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 13 April 13 12:26 BST (UK)
Hi Bubs,

This is the only death for an Albert CAIN in NSW in 1946:

#24377
1946
CAIN, ALBERT
Father: PATRICK
registered at ROZELLE

The burial?

Rookwood Catholic Cemetery

Names: Albert CAIN
Service Date:  26 Oct 1946
Date of Death:    
Age:  50
Gender:  M
Register Number:  68830
Burial Type:  Burial
Location:  Section Grave Mortuary 2
Area: 14
Grave: 261

http://search.catholiccemeteries.org.au/

Debra  :)
 
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 13 April 13 13:21 BST (UK)
A summary of the personal info provided in the WW1 service records of Albert CAIN and Herbert CAIN (probably a brother or cousin):

Albert
http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/3184098/

Aged: 21 years 1 month on enlistment (6 July 1915)
Born: North Melbourne, Vic.
Date of birth: 8 July 1896
Next of kin (1915):  Aunt, Caroline BARTLETT, 234 Madeline Street, Carlton, Vic.
Next of kin (stated in 1938): Mrs. Ethel DAVIS/DAVIES, 365 Madeline Street, Carlton, Vic.
Address in 1935: 10 Collier Crescent, West Brunswick, Vic.
Address in 1938: 40 Flinders Street, Darlinghurst, NSW
Father: (named on death registration) Patrick

Herbert
http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/3184246/

Aged: 28 years 10 months on enlistment (29 Dec 1914)
Born: Carlton, Melbourne, Vic.
Date of birth: 23 Feb 1888
Next of kin (1914):  Aunt, Mrs. C. BARLEY?, 234 Madeling Street, Carlton
Next of kin: (1917): Mrs. E. BARTLETT, 234 Madeline Street, Carlton
Next of kin: (1917): Mrs E.E. CAIN, 6 Aberdeen Court, Maida Vale, London (wife, Ellen Eva CAPELIN, married UK in 1917)
Next of kin (stated in 1950): Mrs. C. DAVIS/DAVIES, 234 Madeline Street, Carlton
Address in 1950: 110 Collier Crescent, West Brunswick, Vic.
Address in 1967: 110 Collier Crescent, West Brunswick, Vic.
Father: (named on marriage cert):  Peter CAIN, Engineer, deceased
Possibly died in 1967, death reg. names mother as 'Bridget'.

Note that their stated dates of birth and age at enlistment do not match.

Victoria electoral rolls confirm that Caroline BARTLETT was living at 234 Madeline Street, Carlton in 1919.  Also at that address in 1919 was Ethel Louisa DAVIS and Edward Robert DAVIS.  This is probably the Ethel mentioned in Albert's service record.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 13 April 13 15:10 BST (UK)
Trying to establish Caroline's identity to then find her siblings.  A couple of events which may be relevant:

Born: 1895
Edward Robert DAVIS
Father: Edward Robert DAVIS
Mother: Caroline CAIN

Married: 1897
Edward Robert DAVIS
Carol CAIN

 :) Perhaps someone can have a look at the proper indexes to see if there is a place of birth for Carol(ine) CAIN on the 1897 marriage index entry?

 :) Perhaps someone can have a look for a possible death for Edward and a later marriage of Caroline DAVIS/DAVIES to a BARTLETT.  Possibly Arthur BARTLETT?

Caroline may have gone back to using the DAVIS name.  The 1924 electoral roll shows Edward Robert DAVIS and Ethel Louisa living at 172 Mitchell Street, Brunswick.  Also at that address was a Caroline DAVIS.  Herbert's service record does make a reference to "Mrs C. DAVIS."

Going with that idea, there is a death for a Caroline DAVIS in 1956 with parents Thomas CAIN and Mary GRAHAM.  She was aged 86.

DAVIS - On May 9, passed away at her daughter's residence, 5 Olive Street, East Malvern, Caroline, beloved mother of Edie (Mrs. Alexander), Edward, James (deceased), George, John, Caroline (Mrs. McAlpine), and Elsie (Mrs. Watson) (Private Interment.)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71802329

Other deaths registered with the same parents named:

Patrick CAIN, died 1928, aged 66

Ctina ERASMUSON, died 1934, aged 74

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Albert CAIN
Post by: Essie on Saturday 13 April 13 23:41 BST (UK)
Debra

I sent a PM to Bubs with records of the Aunts marriages and death.

The birthplace of Caroline DAVIS/BARTLETT nee CAIN was Geelong on both marriage records.
No births listed on the VIC cd to Thomas CAIN and Mary GRAHAM.

Essie
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 14 April 13 02:24 BST (UK)
Thanks Essie.  I do see that the children in the death notice match Caroline CAIN's children with Edward DAVIS and Arthur BARTLETT.  I think Edie may have been born before Caroline married.

It doesn't seem to get us any further though with finding a birth for Albert!  ;D

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Sunday 14 April 13 02:44 BST (UK)
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I am looking for Albert Edward Cain bornn 8th july 1896 or 1899
Bubs
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he was born to  James Cain and Maria Augustus Cain
Bubs

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Birth in Victoria
CAIN Albert Edward
Father James  Mother Maria BUERCKNEL   [Should be BUERCKNER]
At Katamatite  1898  Reg#4151
Cando

Isn't this correct?  People often state name the place where they were raised as their place of birth.  Perhaps I am missing something as I haven't read all the thread thoroughly.

Cando


Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 14 April 13 02:54 BST (UK)
Cando I think we have established that this was not the right Albert.  Bubs' Albert was just 'Albert', not 'Albert Edward'.  This Albert Edward that we were looking at earlier married in NSW, had a family and is buried there with his wife.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: majm on Sunday 14 April 13 02:56 BST (UK)
Albert s number was 3259A and   in the book it says he was buried in Rookwood  cemetery died 1946 

May I please ask where the number 3259A is recorded.   I ask this because on NSW BDM death certs for the era up to around 1955, when a chap who had served during WWI died (in NSW) THEN his AIF number would be stamped on the NSW BDM registrar's ledgers...  Then when NSW BDM issues an historic certificate that AIF number can be found on the upper left hand corner of their certificate.... 

NSW BDM dcs also show the burial/cremation details, as well as the cause of death details, and of course the family details.

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: Essie on Sunday 14 April 13 02:58 BST (UK)
Cando

Bub's 'Albert CAIN'  died 1946.

This is Albert Edward CAIN.
4112/1962 
CAIN  ALBERT EDWARD 
Parents: JAMES &  MARIA AUGUSTA 
at COOLAMON 

Essie 
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 14 April 13 03:03 BST (UK)
JM, I have included a link to Albert's service record (3259A) in my reply #25.

Bubs quoted this service number to help us identify which Albert was hers.  We were looking at the wrong one earlier.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Sunday 14 April 13 03:14 BST (UK)
Marriage in Vic
BUERCKNER Augusta Maria born Germantown
CAIN James born Moonee Ponds
1882  Reg#1079

Death in NSW
10270/1910    
CAIN Maria A
Father Charles W  Mother Augusta M
District Narrandera

There was an inquest in her death. She was found deceased but no evidence as to cause of death.  Died district of Coolamon born Germantown, Vic.

I can't find Maria Augusta's birth but regs for her siblings at Germantown - father noted as Carl Wilhelm and mother Auguste Dorothea Sophie KAATZ.  Auguste died in 1863 and was born Prussia. I can't find a 2nd marriage for Carl Wilhelm but there are many births to a Charles William CAIN and Martha PARISH in the same area.

Cando


Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: majm on Sunday 14 April 13 03:17 BST (UK)
Agh,  so may I presume that Bubs book has already demonstrated that the AIF chap 3529A who enlisted July 1915, Melbourne is definitely the right chap ?

Does that mean the 1946 death registered Rozelle, NSW is NOT the right chap ? 

Cheers, JM
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Sunday 14 April 13 03:31 BST (UK)
I also question if the correct WW1 has been identified as the correct Albert along with as the 1946 death  ie did the author of the book validate his/her research.. 

Where did Bubs find the info about Albert married a Minnie etc.  Was that from the book or her own research?

Puzzling :)

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Albert CAIN
Post by: Essie on Sunday 14 April 13 04:30 BST (UK)
I surmise that Bub's Albert was married to Lottie BLANCHFIELD who died in 1938.

The Sydney Morning Herald
Tuesday 4 October 1938
CAIN-October 3, 1938, at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital. Charlotte Frances Cain (nee Blanchfield) aged 32 years.  Melbourne papers please copy.
FUNERAL NOTICE
CAIN.-The Relatives and Friends of Mr. ALBERT CAIN are kindlv Invited to attend the Funeral of his beloved WIFE, Lottie (nee Blanchfield); to leave our Chapel, 3 Missenden Road, Camperdown, THIS (Tuesday) AFTERNOON, at 2 o'clock, for Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood.

Most likely this Albert CAIN had a relationship with Bub's grandmother??

Perhaps someone can trace them on electoral rolls?

Essie
Title: Re: Albert CAIN
Post by: majm on Sunday 14 April 13 04:43 BST (UK)
I surmise that Bub's Albert was married to Lottie BLANCHFIELD who died in 1938.

The Sydney Morning Herald
Tuesday 4 October 1938
CAIN-October 3, 1938, at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital. Charlotte Frances Cain (nee Blanchfield) aged 32 years.  Melbourne papers please copy.

C of E, Rookwood
Section 10, plot no. 2191
Charlotte CAIN, buried 4 Oct 1938.

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Sunday 14 April 13 05:05 BST (UK)
Not buried together

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Burial in Rookwood RC section.
CAIN Albert  aged 50
Buried: 26/10/1946
Plot:  SEC*M2*14**261


Quote from: Essie on Today at 02:30:57 PM

    I surmise that Bub's Albert was married to Lottie BLANCHFIELD who died in 1938.

    The Sydney Morning Herald
    Tuesday 4 October 1938
    CAIN-October 3, 1938, at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital. Charlotte Frances Cain (nee Blanchfield) aged 32 years.  Melbourne papers please copy.


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C of E, Rookwood
Section 10, plot no. 2191
Charlotte CAIN, buried 4 Oct 1938.
JM

and sadly no MI's on my resource for either.


Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Sunday 14 April 13 05:07 BST (UK)
Essie I can't locate either on the electoral rolls.  Bit pushed for time today and I'm not concentrating well....getting over a virus :-X :-X

Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Sunday 14 April 13 05:21 BST (UK)
All I can find for Lottie [Charlotte Frances] BLANCHFIELD

Victoria  :-\ :-\ :-\
BLANCHFIELD Lottie
WHITEFIELD Albert Victor
1929  Reg#7978

Death
27170/1938    
CAIN Charolotte Frances
Father Thomas Edward  Mother Charlotte Frances
District Newtown

Birth
14292/1906    
BLANCHFIELD Frances C
Father Thomas E  Mother Charlotte
District Kiama

Cando 

Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Sunday 14 April 13 09:19 BST (UK)
Cando I think we have established that this was not the right Albert.  Bubs' Albert was just 'Albert', not 'Albert Edward'.  This Albert Edward that we were looking at earlier married in NSW, had a family and is buried there with his wife.

Debra  :)
thank you i realize that now  i was in mixed emotions all along
 
Bubs
 
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Sunday 14 April 13 09:23 BST (UK)
Agh,  so may I presume that Bubs book has already demonstrated that the AIF chap 3529A who enlisted July 1915, Melbourne is definitely the right chap ?

Does that mean the 1946 death registered Rozelle, NSW is NOT the right chap ? 

Cheers, JM
yes it is the right one  my mum told me he died the year before i was born  and  she also told me he had injury to his toes   
Bubs
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Sunday 14 April 13 11:06 BST (UK)
Bubs would you agree to type up all the information about Albert CAIN in your aunt's book.  It is often the small details that help break down brick walls.

You mention you have attempted to contact Albert's family with no result. Was it the family of Albert Edward CAIN?

Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Monday 15 April 13 07:43 BST (UK)
Bubs would you agree to type up all the information about Albert CAIN in your aunt's book.  It is often the small details that help break down brick walls.

You mention you have attempted to contact Albert's family with no result. Was it the family of Albert Edward CAIN?

Cando
yes it was Albert Edward   i had a feeling all a long some thing was amiss    Bubs
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Monday 15 April 13 10:37 BST (UK)
Bubs you obviously wish us to help you but as we don't know the name of your grandmother or mother it makes it a tad difficult.  A couple of us have identified who we think is your mother but we haven't posted her marriage or death.  You have on previous posts stated that ELLERY was a family name.

I again ask are you prepared to type up all the information about Albert CAIN published in your aunt's book.

I have spent a lot of time trying to sort out the CAIN births in Victoria.  Both a Bridget CAIN and Caroline CAIN had illegitimate children registered and perhaps there  may have been more that weren't.

I can certainly understand why didn't receive any response from the Coolamon CAIN [family.  They are obviously not connected at all.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Monday 15 April 13 11:19 BST (UK)
Bubs you obviously wish us to help you but as we don't know the name of your grandmother or mother it makes it a tad difficult.  A couple of us have identified who we think is your mother but we haven't posted her marriage or death.  You have on previous posts stated that ELLERY was a family name.

I again ask are you prepared to type up all the information about Albert CAIN published in your aunt's book.

I have spent a lot of time trying to sort out the CAIN births in Victoria.  Both a Bridget CAIN and Caroline CAIN had illegitimate children registered and perhaps there  may have been more that weren't.

I can certainly understand why didn't receive any response from the Coolamon CAIN [family.  They are obviously not connected at all.

Cheers
Cando
yes i will send and ask my brother to send me the book   my Mums name was Betty Cain she married an Ellery and my Aunts name was Victoria she married a Mahon
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Monday 15 April 13 12:32 BST (UK)
Thank you Bubs. You have confirmed what a couple of us had found.  Are you prepared to give us your grandmother's name as we may be able to locate she and Albert on the electoral rolls.

Let's hope the information about Albert in the book is helpful.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Monday 15 April 13 12:33 BST (UK)
Oops :-[...grammar :-[....locate her on the electoral rolls.

Cando
Title: Re: Albert CAIN
Post by: Dundee on Monday 15 April 13 13:36 BST (UK)
The birthplace of Caroline DAVIS/BARTLETT nee CAIN was Geelong on both marriage records.
Essie


Other deaths registered with the same parents named:

Patrick CAIN, died 1928, aged 66

Ctina ERASMUSON, died 1934, aged 74

Debra  :)


Christina CAIN/GREEN/ERASMUSON also claimed to be born in Geelong.

Mrs. CHRISTINA ERASMUSON
At the advanced age of 74 years, Mrs. Christina Erasmuson passed away at her residence, 12 Union Street, Williamstown, on 24th April. Deceased was born at Geelong and leaves a grown-up family to mourn their loss, her husband having pre deceased her. The funeral took place on Thursday, 26th, to the local cermetery. The Rev. J. H. Smeeth was the officiating clergyman and Nelson. Bros. the funeral directors.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70728416

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Tuesday 16 April 13 00:09 BST (UK)
Quote
Debra

I sent a PM to Bubs with records of the Aunts marriages and death.

The birthplace of Caroline DAVIS/BARTLETT nee CAIN was Geelong on both marriage records.
No births listed on the VIC cd to Thomas CAIN and Mary GRAHAM.

Essie

Along with this death - not found by me by the way.

CAIN Sarah
Father Thomas  Mother Mary GRAHAM
At Heidelberg Hospital 1895  24 years  Reg#13582

Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: Dundee on Tuesday 16 April 13 02:06 BST (UK)
Looking at the newspapers, there was a Thomas CAIN in Geelong in the 1860's who was a dab hand at growing veges.

The Zades website has several mentions of a Thomas CAIN and Mary CAIN being a parent on baptism entries, but I don't see any corresponding births registered.  Both these people have common baptism references in 1859, 1864 and 1869.

http://zades.com.au/gandd/index.php/databases/gddbs

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Albert CAIN ancestors?
Post by: Essie on Tuesday 16 April 13 09:28 BST (UK)
Thomas CAIN the gardener at Belmont/Geelong died 19 Apr 1870 aged 39
Reg #4210
Buried Geelong Eastern cemetery
Born KILK Ireland
Father named Patrick and mother named Bridget WHELAN.

Probate files indexed online (if this link works)
http://prov.vic.gov.au/search_details?searchid=54&id=4917
'Committed'  to Mary CAIN.

Essie
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Friday 19 April 13 07:22 BST (UK)
Thank you Bubs. You have confirmed what a couple of us had found.  Are you prepared to give us your grandmother's name as we may be able to locate she and Albert on the electoral rolls.

Let's hope the information about Albert in the book is helpful.

Cheers
Cando
Yes my grandmothers name was Linda May Harmer  nee dent   she was born in Lithgow Nsw on the 25-12-1905

Title: Re: Albert CAIN ancestors?
Post by: Dundee on Friday 19 April 13 08:04 BST (UK)
Thomas CAIN the gardener at Belmont/Geelong died 19 Apr 1870 aged 39
Reg #4210
Buried Geelong Eastern cemetery
Born KILK Ireland
Father named Patrick and mother named Bridget WHELAN.
Essie

22 April 1870
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5818522

CAIN - On the 19th Inst., at Belmont, Geelong, Mr Thomas Cain, late of Kilkenny, Ireland, half-brother to the late Miss Margaret Macdonnell, formerly of Castlemaine, aged 39 years. RIP.

17 Feb 1870
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5812693

THE Friends of the late Miss MARGARET McDONNELL are respectfully invited to follow her remains to the place of Interment, Melbourne General Cemetery.

Death 1870

Margaret McDONALD
Aged 24
Father:    Michael
Mother:    Bridget WHALAN
# 2127

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Saturday 20 April 13 10:11 BST (UK)
Sorry to be jumping around on this thread.  I have also made progress with Thomas CAIN and his family but will post what I have found later.

Thank you Bubs. You have confirmed what a couple of us had found.  Are you prepared to give us your grandmother's name as we may be able to locate her and Albert on the electoral rolls.

Let's hope the information about Albert in the book is helpful.

Cheers
Cando
Yes my grandmothers name was Linda May Harmer  nee dent   she was born in Lithgow Nsw on the 25-12-1905

Bubs perhaps you have misunderstood my question....who was Betty and Victoria CAIN's mother ie your maternal grandmother?  Was it Lottie [Frances Charlotte BLANCHFIELD]?

Is this your Linda?   More confusion!!  There is no birth registered in 1905/6.

4310/1907    
DENT Linda M       
Father Henry I  Mother M
District Kogarah

Marriages,  however is this the 1907 birth as the bride would be c15 years old.

9832/1922    
HARMER George T
DENT Linda M
District Rockdale

12349/1932    
MORGAN Lionel E
DENT Linda M
District Bathurst
   
and

Death
40681/1965    
MORGAN Linda May
Father Harry  Mother Martha May
District Lithgow

Some certificates are really needed.

Cando  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Saturday 20 April 13 10:26 BST (UK)
Sorry to be jumping around on this thread.  I have also made progress with Thomas CAIN and his family but will post what I have found later.

Thank you Bubs. You have confirmed what a couple of us had found.  Are you prepared to give us your grandmother's name as we may be able to locate her and Albert on the electoral rolls.

Let's hope the information about Albert in the book is helpful.

Cheers
Cando
Yes my grandmothers name was Linda May Harmer  nee dent   she was born in Lithgow Nsw on the 25-12-1905

Bubs perhaps you have misunderstood my question....who was Betty and Victoria CAIN's mother ie your maternal grandmother?  Was it Lottie [Frances Charlotte BLANCHFIELD]?

Is this your Linda?   More confusion!!  There is no birth registered in 1905/6.

4310/1907    
DENT Linda M       
Father Henry I  Mother M
District Kogarah

Marriages,  however is this the 1907 birth as the bride would be c15 years old.

9832/1922    
HARMER George T
DENT Linda M
District Rockdale

12349/1932    
MORGAN Lionel E
DENT Linda M
District Bathurst
   
and

Death
40681/1965    
MORGAN Linda May
Father Harry  Mother Martha May
District Lithgow

Some certificates are really needed.

Cando  :)
yes that is my mums and Victorias  mum   she was born in Lithgow and passed away in Lithgow


Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Saturday 20 April 13 14:05 BST (UK)
Linda's birth was registered in 1907 so possibly born 25 Dec 1906.  You didn't mention her two marriages.

Birth   
7887/1901    
HARMER George T    
Father Edward  Mother Maria
District Temora

Death
39400/1967    
HARMER George Thomas
Father Edward  67 years at Burwood
   
So Linda had a relationship with Albert CAIN in the late 1920's and then married Lionel Ernest MORGAN in 1932.

I can't see a divorce to 1930 - limit of online indexes
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=16

So your late mother married an ELLERY and then a McMILLAN.   Have I got it right now :)

You mentioned that Albert CAIN and his ?wife had two children who 'died young'.  Are you referring to his relationship with Lottie [Charlotte Francis BLANCHFIELD]?  I can find no marriage for Albert to Lottie and possibly they didn't marry as Lottie may have been still married to Albert Victor WHITEFIELD/WHITFIELD - he died in Melbourne in 1945 aged 58 years Reg#1388. 

Bubs have you purchased Albert CAIN's 1946 death certificate?

Cando  :)









Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Saturday 20 April 13 23:54 BST (UK)
Linda's birth was registered in 1907 so possibly born 25 Dec 1906.  You didn't mention her two marriages.

Birth   
7887/1901    
HARMER George T    
Father Edward  Mother Maria
District Temora

Death
39400/1967    
HARMER George Thomas
Father Edward  67 years at Burwood
   
So Linda had a relationship with Albert CAIN in the late 1920's and then married Lionel Ernest MORGAN in 1932.

I can't see a divorce to 1930 - limit of online indexes
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=16

So your late mother married an ELLERY and then a McMILLAN.   Have I got it right now :)

You mentioned that Albert CAIN and his ?wife had two children who 'died young'.  Are you referring to his relationship with Lottie [Charlotte Francis BLANCHFIELD]?  I can find no marriage for Albert to Lottie and possibly they didn't marry as Lottie may have been still married to Albert Victor WHITEFIELD/WHITFIELD - he died in Melbourne in 1945 aged 58 years Reg#1388. 

Bubs have you purchased Albert CAIN's 1946 death certificate?

Cando  :)
I know now that it was albert edward cain that married minnie aylett and lost 2 children   not albert cain   moms dad
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Saturday 20 April 13 23:58 BST (UK)
Linda's birth was registered in 1907 so possibly born 25 Dec 1906.  You didn't mention her two marriages.

Birth   
7887/1901    
HARMER George T    
Father Edward  Mother Maria
District Temora

Death
39400/1967    
HARMER George Thomas
Father Edward  67 years at Burwood
   
So Linda had a relationship with Albert CAIN in the late 1920's and then married Lionel Ernest MORGAN in 1932.

I can't see a divorce to 1930 - limit of online indexes
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=16

So your late mother married an ELLERY and then a McMILLAN.   Have I got it right now :)

You mentioned that Albert CAIN and his ?wife had two children who 'died young'.  Are you referring to his relationship with Lottie [Charlotte Francis BLANCHFIELD]?  I can find no marriage for Albert to Lottie and possibly they didn't marry as Lottie may have been still married to Albert Victor WHITEFIELD/WHITFIELD - he died in Melbourne in 1945 aged 58 years Reg#1388. 

Bubs have you purchased Albert CAIN's 1946 death certificate?

Cando  :)
I know now that it was albert edward cain that married minnie aylett and lost 2 children   not albert cain   moms dad
and yes my mom  married jr ellery and then leonard mcmillan    i need to just wipe Albert Edward Cain  from This whole Project  his mather was James and his Mother Maria    Bubs
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Sunday 21 April 13 02:16 BST (UK)
Quote
Bubs have you purchased Albert CAIN's 1946 death certificate?

Bub's I understand that the only information you really had about Albert CAIN when you started your research is that he died before you were born and now after eliminating Albert Edward CAIN [who had nothing about foot injuries in his service record] you now are claiming another Albert CAIN who did have foot injuries in his service record].  It is difficult researching from oral history as so often the information is inaccurate.  It would be helpful to have the information written by your Aunt Victoria in the hope there may be some small snippet of information to confirm what we have found. 

To help you [and the other researchers who have found so much for you] I have downloaded Thomas CAIN's death certificate.

Thomas died 19 Apr 1870 aged 39 years, in the Geelong Hospital.  His cause of death was "Fever Colonial" 2 weeks.   He was born in Kilkenny, Ireland and had been in Victoria for 18 years.  His parents Patrick CAIN and Bridget WHELAN.  Mary was the informant and signed with her mark X.  He was buried on 20 Apr in the Geelong Catholic Cemetery.

Mary GRAHAM stated they married in Melbourne when Thomas was 23 years old ie c1854.  I doubt there was a marriage and could be the reason none of their childrens' births were registered.  From the dates on the Zades web site for CAIN baptisms at Geelong, it is possible that some of their children were baptised.  Civil registration commenced in Jul 1853 and if Mary had claimed she had married in a rural area there would have been the possibility of the registration being lost in transit to the Victorian Registry in Melbourne.

Thomas and Mary had the following children at the time of his death.
Bridget 15 years; Christina 14 years; Catherine 11 years; Patrick 9 years; Mary Jane 6 years; Sarah Anne 4 years and Caroline 9 months.

May simply be a co-incidence of names, ages etc but this could be his arrival as an assisted immigrant
CAIN Thomas  20 years  Arrived Dec 1851 on the STEBONHEATH Book 5 Page   219

There will be more information on the fiche ie his nationality and possibly his occupation.

Cando :)



Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: Essie on Sunday 21 April 13 04:19 BST (UK)
A corruption of the surname CAIN ???
VIC marriages
Thomas MCKEAN and Mary GRAHAM
Married 1853
Reg # 1185

Essie
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Sunday 21 April 13 05:07 BST (UK)
Christening:

Catherine CAIN ch. 29 Aug 1859; St Mary of the Angels, Catholic, GEELONG.
Father: Thomas CAIN
Mother: Mary GRAHAM
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Sunday 21 April 13 06:35 BST (UK)
Ah a couple of postw while I have been typing this up.

Now to Albert....   This certificate MAY have more identifying information.  Do you have this certificate?

24377/1946    
CAIN    Albert
Father Patrick
District Rozelle

Would you please answer this question

Quote
May I please ask where the number 3259A is recorded.   I ask this because on NSW BDM death certs for the era up to around 1955, when a chap who had served during WWI died (in NSW) THEN his AIF number would be stamped on the NSW BDM registrar's ledgers...  Then when NSW BDM issues an historic certificate that AIF number can be found on the upper left hand corner of their certificate.... 
JM

This child's birth was not registered.
Death
CAIN Joseph
Father Unknown  Mother Bridget CAIN
1879  7 weeks  Born Victoria  Reg#5083

Births
CAIN Joseph Thomas
Father Unknown Mother Bridget CAIN
At West Melbourne  1889  Reg#24164

CAIN Patrick
Father Unknown  Mother Bridget CAIN
At Carlton  1893  Reg#20562  Died aged 3 days at Carlton Womens Hospital  Reg#9133

CAIN Alfred  [Is this actually Albert?]
Father Unknown  Mother Bridget CAIN
At Hotham East  1897  Reg#20026

And her death?

CAIN Bridget
Father Cain Thomas Mother Mary CAIN
At Melbourne East 59 years  1910  Reg#2563

I suggest you purchase Bridget CAIN's death certificate.  Hopefully the informant had accurate information about her life although her age is not an accurate match with the age of Bridget on Thomas's death cert.  Her father's occupation MAY be noted if known to the informant.

This would be my next step if I was researching Albert CAIN.  Perhaps Alfred's birth certificate may be useful ie where was he born etc?

Australian Electoral Roll
1903
CAIN Bridget  1 St Andrews Street, North Melbourne  Tailoress

I note that Caroline DAVIS's death reg has her father as Thomas Patrick.  It is not unusual to see illegitimate chn use the given name of one or more of their grandparents.  Perhaps that is the source of the Patrick noted as Albert's father on the index.

Good luck
Cando  :)

Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: Essie on Sunday 21 April 13 07:00 BST (UK)
"May I please ask where the number 3259A is recorded"

War service record in Reply#17
WW1 - CAIN Albert : Service #3259A : POB Melbourne VIC : POE Melbourne VIC  (both parents dead)

Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Sunday 21 April 13 07:03 BST (UK)
Essie the question relates to the death certificate - asked by JM to identify that we are researching the correct Albert.

BINGO  ;D - interred at Melbourne General Cemetery Church of England Section II Grave 615

DAVIS

In Loving Memory of
my dear mother
Mary CAIN MACCLUEY
died 12 Mar 1889
also my dear sister
Mary Jane CAIN
died 9 Dec 1892
Catherine CAIN
died 22 Jul 1892
Bridget CAIN
died 15 Mar 1910
Also my dear husband
Edward Robert DAVIS
died
23 Sep 1907
R I P

Note The Register has McCLUCY as the surname.

Death
McCLUEY Mary
Parents unknown
At Hotham East 52 years  1889  Reg#2705

CAIN Catherine
Parents unknown
At Melbourne East Hospital 28 years  1892  Reg#10969

Can't identify Mary Jane in the death index....yet

Cando :)



Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Sunday 21 April 13 07:49 BST (UK)
Death
DAVIS Edward
Father Davis George  Mother Elizabeth STOWE
At Melbourne East 39 years  1907  Reg#9392

Wonder what happened to Arthur whom Caroline married in 1910.  He appears to be gone by 1914.  Directories were usually compiled in the latter part of the year prior to publication.

1915 Sands & McDougall Directory
BARTLETT Mrs Caroline 234 Madeleine Street, Carlton

Cando









Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Monday 22 April 13 00:34 BST (UK)
Quote
Mary Jane CAIN
died 9 Dec 1892

Typo...should be 1891. 

CAIN Mary
Parents unknown
At East Melbourne Hospital 1891  23 years  Reg#16661

Perhaps you may like the following for your records

Australian Electoral Roll
1903
CAIN Bridget 1 St Andrews Street, North Melbourne  Tailoress
CAIN Sarah  23 Sackville Street, Collingwood   Tailoress
DAVIS Caroline  14 Merritt's Place Melbourne HD
DAVIS Edward Robert  14 Merritt's Place Melbourne  Labourer

1904 Sands & McDougall Directory
HICKEY John  1 St Andrews Street, North Melbourne

1915 Sands & McDougall Directory
BARLETT Mrs Caroline 234 Madeleine Street, Carlton

1919
DAVIS Edward Robert  234 Madeline Street, Brunswick  Labourer
DAVIS Ethel Louisa  234 Madeline Street, Brunswick  Factory Hand

1924
DAVIS Caroline  172 Mitchell Street, Brunswick North  HD
DAVIS Edward Robert  172 Mitchell Street, Brunswick North Labourer
DAVIS Ethel Louisa  172 Mitchell Street, Brunswick North Tobacco worker

CAIN Ellen Eva Gredgwin Railway Station  HD
CAIN Herbert Gredgwin Railway Station Railway employee

1931, 1936, 1942, 1949,
CAIN Ellen Eva  110 Collier Crescent Brunswick  HD
CAIN Herbert  110 Collier Crescent  Brunswick Railway employee

1954
CAIN Ellen Eva  110 Collier Crescent Brunswick West  HD
CAIN Herbert  110 Collier Crescent Brunswick West Railway employee
CAIN Mervyn 110 Collier Crescent Brunswick West 


Cando  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Monday 22 April 13 08:02 BST (UK)
Quote
Mary Jane CAIN
died 9 Dec 1892

Typo...should be 1891. 

CAIN Mary
Parents unknown
At East Melbourne Hospital 1891  23 years  Reg#16661

Perhaps you may like the following for your records

Australian Electoral Roll
1903
CAIN Bridget 1 St Andrews Street, North Melbourne  Tailoress
CAIN Sarah  23 Sackville Street, Collingwood   Tailoress
DAVIS Caroline  14 Merritt's Place Melbourne HD
DAVIS Edward Robert  14 Merritt's Place Melbourne  Labourer

1904 Sands & McDougall Directory
HICKEY John  1 St Andrews Street, North Melbourne

1915 Sands & McDougall Directory
BARLETT Mrs Caroline 234 Madeleine Street, Carlton

1919
DAVIS Edward Robert  234 Madeline Street, Brunswick  Labourer
DAVIS Ethel Louisa  234 Madeline Street, Brunswick  Factory Hand

1924
DAVIS Caroline  172 Mitchell Street, Brunswick North  HD
DAVIS Edward Robert  172 Mitchell Street, Brunswick North Labourer
DAVIS Ethel Louisa  172 Mitchell Street, Brunswick North Tobacco worker

CAIN Ellen Eva Gredgwin Railway Station  HD
CAIN Herbert Gredgwin Railway Station Railway employee

1931, 1936, 1942, 1949,
CAIN Ellen Eva  110 Collier Crescent Brunswick  HD
CAIN Herbert  110 Collier Crescent  Brunswick Railway employee

1954
CAIN Ellen Eva  110 Collier Crescent Brunswick West  HD
CAIN Herbert  110 Collier Crescent Brunswick West Railway employee
CAIN Mervyn 110 Collier Crescent Brunswick West 


Cando  :)
This is incredible i have to thank all you people for your help  if only Albert's army records were not on breuckners   they have taken it all down now  or i just cant find it     i will have to let my cousin know i just can't thank you people enough  Bubs
 
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Monday 22 April 13 08:31 BST (UK)
Bubs Albert CAIN's digitised WW1 service record is on http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx

I thought you had a copy of his service files.

Can you please answer our questions about Albert's death certificate.

I have sent you a pm

Cando  :)
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Monday 22 April 13 08:50 BST (UK)
A little more...Mary GRAHAM had two more daughters...there could be more :-\   Second husband was George McCLACY and spelling variations thereof ::)  I cannot find a marriage registration and any birth registrations for the following.

Deaths - born c 1874 -
PERRY Mary Ellen
Father McCLACY George  Mother Mary  GRAHAM
At Williamstown  77 years  1951  Reg#2655

and her marriage

McCLUCY Mary Ellen born Geelong
PERRY George born Williamstown
1893  Reg#6382

Death
Born c1875
MATTHEWS Margaret Linda
Father McCLUEY George  Mother Mary  GRAHAM
At South Melbourne  75 years  1950  Reg#9501

and her marriage

McCLUEY Margaret Linda born Geelong
MATTHEWS Alfred John born Port Melbourne
1901  Reg#6674

If you decide to purchase any certificates could you please type up all the information here.  I am sure many of us would like to see the information on Albert's and Bridget's death certificates.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Monday 22 April 13 10:18 BST (UK)
Bubs Albert CAIN's digitised WW1 service record is on http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx

I thought you had a copy of his service files.

Can you please answer our questions about Albert's death certificate.

I have sent you a pm

Cando  :)
no i can't i was told he was buried in rookwood  and died in 1946  that is why i have been mixed up  Bubs
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Monday 22 April 13 11:22 BST (UK)
Bubs it is important to work with proven facts as so often family stories are inaccurate. 

You have received much help with researching the CAIN family in Victoria which is the family of the Albert CAIN who enlisted in both WW1 and WW2 but as JM mentioned in her post....
Quote
May I please ask where the number 3259A is recorded.   I ask this because on NSW BDM death certs for the era up to around 1955, when a chap who had served during WWI died (in NSW) THEN his AIF number would be stamped on the NSW BDM registrar's ledgers...  Then when NSW BDM issues an historic certificate that AIF number can be found on the upper left hand corner of their certificate...

It would be interesting to see if Albert's AIF numbers are on his death certificate.

I thank you for replying to my email but you have returned my message to you.  Perhaps you may like to reply without touching the quote button.  Just a suggestion. :)

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Monday 22 April 13 23:19 BST (UK)
i do have a copy of his service files and in the book it has that number also  i will see what i can do about getting a death certificate   Bubs
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Monday 22 April 13 23:29 BST (UK)
Copy
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Monday 22 April 13 23:32 BST (UK)
copy

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Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Tuesday 23 April 13 01:18 BST (UK)
Bubs his WW1 file is digitised on NAA and we all can see it there if we wish.  I would suggest you remove the page you have posted as it is a breach of copyright.

The question was posed by JM about his service number on the death certificate.  Family research is not only about finding facts but validating those facts with supporting documents. 

You haven't responded to my pm and that is your choice but I thought you may have liked Thomas CAIN's death certificate which I purchased for you.

If this was my family I would budget to purchase Bridget's death certificate and possibly Alfred's birth certificate.  If you now have a copy of the book could you type up any relevant information.

Cheers  :)
Cando

Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: bubs on Tuesday 23 April 13 02:25 BST (UK)
Cando  i am sorry if i have missed something  i am having trouble at the moment with a shoulder and i only try to answer what i can as it takes me ages to type   i will try and get my niece to photocopy the relevant pages and i will give you my mums and aunts birth dates as soon as i receive the information from her, and i might be able to get some sense  i do thank you for all you have done and i am sorry if i sound  like i dont  again many tthanks to you BUBS   ps how do i delet the army record   
Title: Re: Albert Edward CAIN
Post by: cando on Tuesday 23 April 13 03:07 BST (UK)
Bubs I do hope your shoulder improves. Sounds most uncomfortable.

I only ask about the information in the book as it is often the small details that help break down the brick walls.

We have found the family for Albert CAIN whose service record you have but I am still puzzled why you researched the family of Albert Edward CAIN.  However all in the past now but it would be good to see if the same service number is on his death certificate.

I am also curious about his wife Lottie [Frances Charlotte] as I am certain she is the same Lottie who married in Victoria. 

Please pm your email address if you would like Thomas CAIN's death certificate.  I'll see what else I can find about the CAIN family in Victoria.

Cando  :)