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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: awahl on Saturday 13 October 12 11:51 BST (UK)
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Hello
I wonder if someone can help clarify two differing obituary reports following the death of Charles Ernest Wahlers on 16.9.1920? He was born 20.3.1872 in Liverpool England.
one paper records "leaves a widow, son and 2 daughters"........another "leaves a widow, two sons and 3 daughters"...
my research shows children as ....Charles James Eric, born 4.1.1897, Herbert Ernest born 15.1.1898, Florence Dorothy May, born 1905 and possibly Harold Gordon, born 1907.
Thanks for any help.
Alan Wahlers
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Hi Alan
NZ BDM's has 4 children
1897/1710 Wahlers Charles James Eric / Lily/ Charles Ernest
1898/18591 Wahlers Herbert Ernest /Lily/ Charles Ernest
1905/16633 Wahlers Florence Dorothy May / Lily/ Charles Ernest
1907/1420 Wahlers Harold Gordon/ Lily/ Charles Ernest
Cheers Janette
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There is a probate for Charles at Wellington Archives
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23085380
This may tell you who all the children were
Cheers Janette
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Hi Janette
Thanks for the two replies.......seems to confirm my info........means both obituary reports apparently incorrect though......
Interested to find the probate details being at Wellington Archives....looked these up but only available by personal visit it seems.....a reason to visit NZ again!.......unfortunately the rise in the value of the NZ dollar makes this unlikely in the near future I am sad to say......
As an aside I understand that Harold Gordon Wahlers was batman to General Kippenberger during the WW2.........I have tried to verify this but not found detail info that does so.....he returned to the UK in 1946 after the War ended.......still searching though.....
Best wishes
Alan
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Hi Awahl,
You could begin a new post asking for someone to request to have the probate digitised for you. You could then download the document from Archives.
Minniehaha.
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'The Evening Post' dated 17.9.1920 has the death notice of Charles Ernest Wahlers, @ New Plymouth-
"dearly loved husband of Lily Wahlers, aged 48 years".
Same newspaper, dated 5.1.1897 has a birth notice for a son, born 4.1.1897.
From "Paperspast"..........
Minniehaha.
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Charles is buried at TE HENUI cemetery in New Plymouth,
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0mbx/
Lily's ashes are interred there also
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0mbx/
she was cremated at Karori
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/details.php?id=17689&Service=Cremation
and son Charles James Eric is buried in Karori also
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/details.php?id=92657&Service=Burial
Cheers Janette
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Hi,
Snap Janette ..... was just going to post that info.
Herbert Ernest Wahlers buried at Purewa died 21 Jul 1966
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k5l/
Cheers
KHP
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Herbert's wife Ethel May is also buried at Purewa.
Cheers
KHP
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The son Harold Gordon appears to have married in the UK
Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Breden Kathleen M Wahlers Hampstead 1a 1719
Wahlers Harold G Breden Hampstead 1a 1719
Cheers Janette
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The 'Evening Post' dated 21.9.1939 records that H. G. Wahlers enlisted in Wellington.
Same newspaper dated 21.1.1922, has the marriage of:
WAHLERS - TASKER. On 28.12.1922 @ st. Thomas's, Newton, Herbert Ernest, second son of Mrs. Wahlers, Kilbirnie to Ethel May, only daughter of Mr. & Mrs. B. Tasker.
Minniehaha.
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Herbert and Ethel were both cremated at Purewa,Herbert's ashes were returned,Ethels were scattered
The FD for Herbert may be able to give you more information
http://www.fdanz.org.nz/about-fdanz/fdanz-funeral-directors/auckland.aspx
cheers Janette
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The daughter Dorothy Florence May Jacomb died 12 September 1967 and was cremated, her husband Rupert King Jacomb died 16 October 1970 and was also cremated.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rtk/
Cheers
KHP
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There are Probates held for Florence and Rupert Jacomb held at Wellington Archives.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rtl/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rtm/
Cheers
KHP
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There is a recent Wahlers death (2012) on the NZ BDM website, born 1923. Notices appeared in 'The New Zealand Herald' & 'Waikato Times'.
Minniehaha.
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There is a recent Wahlers death (2012) on the NZ BDM website, born 1923. Notices appeared in 'The New Zealand Herald' & 'Waikato Times'.
Minniehaha.
They are both buried in Hamilton Park Cemetery
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rtn/
I have a copy of the death notice if needed
Cheers Janette
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Hi Alan,
I see there are a few trees for this family at A$Y.
Cheers
KHP
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More from 'The Evening Post' dated 5.11.1923.........
A daughter to Mr. & Mrs. H. E. Wahlers on 20.10.1923.
Minniehaha.
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Hi Janette KHP & Minniehaha
thanks for the many replies......I have some of the info but as always there are new details for which I am grateful. This does clarify the question of children.
info re probate details access is interesting and I will find out more about the costs involved first....I have looked at "paperspast" before and find this very helpful.....
I do have details of the marriage of Harold Gordon in England and also a copy of the Will for him....it appears there was little or no contact with siblings after her left NZ......I still have little to go on about the possible Kipplinger connection in WW2 though for him....I imagine there should be some detail war info out there somewhere...
KHP ......what is A$Y? I cannot find any reference......
Thanks again
Alan
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KHP ......what is A$Y? I cannot find any reference......
Alan
Alan,
Here is the link, we don't tend to put the whole name up for reasons.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ruy/
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Awahl,
Would you like me to take photos of those probates for you?
Spades