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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: debbi1965 on Friday 12 October 12 14:19 BST (UK)
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Hi there.
I am looking for grace brenda hennessys ( nee bailey) family.
Grace came to australia at a young age in 1912 from england with her parents beatrice and ernest bailey and young sister edith also on the trip was her aunt amanda morris who is my grandmother born 1894.
They settled in manly nsw
I think grace passed away in canberra ACT in the late 1990s or 2000.
Info I am chasing is graces children,where they were born and what year,also a clarification grace brenda husband may have been frederick William hennessy?
Grace may also have just been known as brenda as stated on my grandmothers death certificate.
I appreciate any help I can get.
Thankyou...:-)
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Hi debbi1965
Death notices from Ryerson Index
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
Death Notice:
Grace Brenda HENNESSY late of Latham A.C.T., formerly of North Balgowlah;
Death Notice 9th June 1980 age 70 ;Published Sydney Morning Herald 11th June 1980
Death Notice:
Frederick William HENNESSY; Death Notice 03MAR1958; age 62; Sydney Morning Herald 05MAR1958
Frederick William HENNESSY married Grace Brenda BAILEY 1944 Manly; Reg No: 23712/1944
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/IndexSearch?form=IndexingSearch&SessionID=36442967&event=marriages&sname=Hennessy&gname=&fname=Bailey&mname=&frange=1900&trange=1961&place=&submitBtnOnce.x=55&submitBtnOnce.y=11
Cheers :)
cupoflife
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Hi debbi
Because of Australia’s strict privacy laws regarding people still living, and the associated policy of Rootschat, the children you are seeking will not be discussed on the public board.
I thought you may be interested in some Electoral Roll findings .
1930
1 Melbourne Street, Manly
GRACE BRENDA BAILEY, packer
1936
29 Crescent Street Manly
GRACE BRENDA BAILEY, Packer
ERNEST BAILEY, Carpenter
BEATRICE BAILEY, HD
(There is a JAMES EDWARD BAILEY at 27 Crescent Street )
1943
34 Birkley Street Manly
GRACE BRENDA BAILEY, Packer
BEATRICE BAILEY, HD
COLIN BAILEY, Draftsman
29 Crescent Street Manly
ERNEST BAILEY, Carpenter
1949
34 Birkley Street Manly
GRACE BRENDA HENNESSY. Clerk
FREDERICK WILLIAM HENNESSY . Motor Driver
BEATRICE BAILEY., H D
29 Crescent Street Manly
ERNEST BAILLEY Carpenter
1958
Eurella Ave. Seaforth
FREDERICK WILLIAM HENNESSY, Motor Driver
GRACE BRENDA HENNESSY, HD
I do not see GRACE registering to vote after 1958. (Others may do better in spotting her)
One of the many reasons for this may be that she found a new partner and used his surname as her own.
Sue
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Here is a marriage in NSW
REG 3312 In 1929 HENNESSY FREDERICK W
To ARMITSTEAD MARY E
At PADDINGTON
Some Electoral Roll Details.
1937
174 Hargrave Street Paddington.
HENNESSY, FREDERICK WILLIAM Driver
HENNESSY, MARY ELIZABETH, HD
1943
40 Griffith Street Manly
HENNESSY, FREDERICK WILLIAM Driver
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A marriage ???
REG 21029 In 1944 HENNESSY, MARY ELIZABETH
To ARMITSTEAD, GILCHRIST MELBOURNE
At ASHFIELD
Bit confusing, but if it is the woman previously with FREDERICK perhaps she married a realtive.
Sue
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pm sent about Frederick's and Brenda's death notices
regards,
Ros
and Mary Elizabeth Armitstead's death notice who died 18 sep 1984
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Just to confirm---
The marriage to ARMISTEAD is registered in two names for MARY. Her maiden and former.
This is the other listing
REG 21029 IN 1944 ARMITSTEAD GILCHRIST MELBOURNE
To ARMITSTEAD MARY ELIZABETH
At ASHFIELD
Sue
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Hi again..looking at the electoral rolls..
Beatrice m ernest in england before coming to australia.
Grace brenda m frederick William in australia.
Edith (graces sister) must have moved out of home at a young age or passed away.
I didn't know about Mary,so that was interesting.
Amanda morris (beatrice sister,my grandmother) I found never married but at 38 yrs of age quietly adopted my father out to a police sergeant and his wife.he was stationed at bawgowlah police station.he and his wife couldn't have children.so a bit of mystery there.we have a sort of an idea that my father was really the police sergeants son,as they never had any more children,and my grandmother never married nor had any more children.
Now I have most information with all your help guys.
My main question now is how do I find the family of my great aunt?
Thing is they may not know my grandmother had a baby and adopted him out.
I would love to find photos of my grandmother,beatrice,grace and edith for my album and my history..im not sure how to even look on the net.
Than you very much for taking the time out in looking up and answering my query....:-)
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I am not doing any family tree research I was just sourcing dates of death of my grandparents for medical history perspective and your query popped up. The information you have sourced already seems to read as if it is to do with my family line.
So I can confirm the below information as being correct for my family as I know it to be true.
Brenda (my grandmother) die in 1980, in a nursing home in Goulburn NSW after living with us in Canberra briefly. She had emigrated from England as a toddler with her family and they did settle in Manly. My Great grandfather was I believe a master carpenter.
Edith (Eddie), lived into her 80's passing away in Nowra, where she lived a majority of her life, despite two marriages she did not have children.
Brenda married Fred, they had one daughter (my mother) now unwell to the extent that this won't be mentioned to her. Brenda never remarried post Fred's death, in 1958
Fred's previous marriages obviously aren't of any relevance to your search, although I understand he was widowed and possibly divorced.
Mum has discussed growing up with her grandmother (known as Kellie) living with them.
If this is your family line, then I am sorry to say there are no images due to them unfortunately being destroyed.
Not much more to add as mum's family tree investigations (done years ago) hit a brick wall pre-Australia.
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Hi TJC,
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Many Cheers,
JM
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Hi back,Thankyou so much for replying to my query.
Yes we are related,i have been looking for some sign of this family forever.I have searched to no avail for the last 3 years since finding out who my grandmother was.My grandmother is Amanda Morris,sister of Beatrice Bailey.Amanda and Beatrices parents are Hariett and Henry Morris are your gg grandparents and my great grandparents.I have the shipping record for Beatrice and Ernest,their two children Edith and Grace,my grandmother Amanda also with them at age 17,year 1912.There is much more to the story of Amanda who lived with Ernest and Beatrice for a few years in Manly.i was only asking mainly as i dont know what my grandmother looks like and was hoping somebody out there had at least one photo.Amanda only had one child,unmarried and adopted him out at birth.For 33 years she lived only a 20 minute drive from him and he never knew.My father passed away in 1995 sadly.Thankyou very much and i really appreciate you replying to my message,i really do as you have filled many gaps for me.If you ever find a photo of family i would be most appreciative if i could possibly have a copy if possible.If you like i have birthdates for Ernest,Beatrice etc to share
Thankyou sooo much
Debbi
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I will send through what I can, when time allows and I'm back in Canberra I'll try and find things out and chase down what I can, although mum's house was recently repossessed by the Govt as part of the asbestosis issue with anything stored in the under house cavity to be destroyed.
I mentioned that mum was sick as I have friend who is adopted with no knowledge of familial health issues to watch out for, everything you've found lines up with my knowledge, I will share that my mother has it would appear at 68 yo early stage Alzheimers or one of the types of dementia, which is something my grandmother Grace suffered from and eventually died from as well. Grace also had breast cancer and a heart attack, she died when I was 8 yo so not much more detail there sorry. Although mum and I both have high cholesterol levels and I've had a minor incident on the heart front too (blockage cleared and stent inserted).
I have a pretty good memory of what mum has mentioned through out her research and then as part of general conversation so I have bashed out as much of it as I can below, I hope it fills in some more blanks for you, sorry but I will interchange Beatrice and Kelly regularly I'm sorry, but its the same person.
The reason for emigrating was the fact Beatrice (Kelly) was unable to survive the English winters she lost a couple of sets of twins, one set before she left England and the second set in Australia before her third surviving child, Colin was born, hence he was 10 years younger than Brenda. Colin passed away in 1998, he had two children from his first marriage one of whom has also passed away, the other I believe is late 60's and worked in the ACT region.
Apparently your grand mother Amanda came out to assist her sister, Beatrice with the raising of the children due to Kelly's ill health, there were apparently 7 kids in that generation, 2 boys lost in WW1 and 5 girls. Beatrice's immediately older sister was Aunty Gertie, so I assume Gertrude.
Mum does refer to her pop, Ernest, as being known as 'Dick', he was the carpenter who built the original stair case and display woodwork in the original Manly Hotel, Pub that sat opposite the ferry terminal.
The Morris side of the family if you go back far enough apparently links back to Lord Nuffield from northern UK around Sheffield with links to Yorkshire. Trivia I know but mum mentioned it regularly, they came down to London when they steamed out to Australia on the train the Flying Scotsman.
I will try to remember more and given mums condition she may remember more as time passes.
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Hi again,sorry for the delay in reply as ive been away.Thankyou,as you have definately filled quite a few gaps.My sister and I were curious as to why Beatrice,Ernest,Amanda and the children immigrated as their father was still alive until 1932,their mother passing in 1909..Beatrice and Amandas mother was Harriet Sylvester,she came from a huge family and in one of the cemetaries around Tinsley/Sheffield they hold amongst the oldest graves.You have got my curiosity up on one of the brothers dying WW1 as i hope im right in having found his grave,passing in 1930.The following children were Gertrude,Marian,Beatrice,Henry,thomas,Betsy and the youngest Amanda.They are a hard family to follow in Sheffield England as their father was Henry Morris born 1854,and there were a few in the area.I am going to order his birth certificate as this family has me mystified.I have also all of the electoral rolls for Beatrices family in Australia trying to track their lives down a bit.Im very wow on Ernest doing the building he did,because as a child my father took me to Manly a fair bit and we used to walk straight past the pub.We were so close but never knew that we were actually in the suburb his mother lived for many years.I was born in Willoughby,and the police sergeant who adopted my father was stationed at Balgowlah on the same main road into Manly.Very close indeed only by i think a few klms.I am so sorry your mum is suffering,and i honestly cant tell you if it runs down our line.Dad passed away from a stroke at age 62,but also had Waldenstrohm disease which is mainly unknown form of cancer.He had 4 children,us 3 girls and a boy.Its good to find out what health issues there are in the family very much so.I would just like to add that my dad was tall being 6ft 2" with blonde hair and blue eyes,the color is strong in all his children and i have carried my dads height being 5"11.
Thankyou so very much for taking the time to write me,i am 10 steps closer to finding out about us and have a lot more information.Seems though the family is very small in Australia being only your family,Colins and my brother and sisters
Cheers and such a pleasure to hear from you
Debbi...:)