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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: NEL on Friday 12 October 12 14:07 BST (UK)
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Robert Williamson came to Staffordshire and built a pottery works at Longport c 1773 aged 23 years!! I deduce that he must have come from a reasonably well off family to be able to do this. There are no Igi's for this chap for Staffordshire. His dates of birth and death are well documented. I gleaned a clue from a book about James Brindley, that he came from North Cheshire, the only Igi is his christening at Ince Cheshire (west Cheshire). Other siblings Alice 1744, Mary 1747 and John 1740, father Robert Williamson. Does anyone have any knowledge of this family, to put me on the right track. Robert married Anne Brindley nee Henshall in 1775, had a large family and lived at Ramsdell hall in Cheshire. He must have been very wealthy being listed as a coal and iron master, along with his brother Hugh Henshall Williamson. My interest is purely local history. Robert' son Robert married Anne Kinnersley daughter of a Newcastle under Lyme banker, coal and iron master, who lived at Clough Hall, any clues appreciated Nel xx
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my mistake Robert and Ann lived at Longort Hall, where she died in 1826. It was their son Robert and Ann Kinnersley that lived at Ramsdell Hall. ;)
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Hi Nel
I have looked for a Will for him on the NA site with no luck, there may be one at Stafford/Cheshire Archives this may indicate where he was born.
Margp
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theres this about them buying 7 acres off land in stoke on trent
also the started a company called goldendale iron works
http://www.thepotteries.org/location/districts/tunstall2.htm
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my mistake Robert and Ann lived at Longort Hall, where she died in 1826. It was their son Robert and Ann Kinnersley that lived at Ramsdell Hall. ;)
I think that this is Longport
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Robert Williamson was born in 1781 in Wolstanton, Staffordshire
the son of Robert Williamson and Ann Henshall
about halfway down the page
http://chrisroughan.webs.com/chaddocksandlowndes.htm
also this http://ramsdellhall.moonfruit.com/#/the-williamsons/4533006945
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thanks your help and replies. Think I may have got my robert's mixed up, ??? Robert 1750 married Anne Brindley Newchapel Church, 1775, they had a son Robert born Wolstanton 1881 who married Anne Kinnersley, and they had a son Robert christened in 1815 in Liverpool. I looking for Robert 1st's birth and think it's at Ince, cheshire 1/1/1750. To add confusion his father is also Robert!! christened at Ince 4/1/1700, his father was John, wondering if I'm on the right track!!
Marg, they lived at Longport Hall, Robert built it after he built his pottery works and it was at Longport, long demolished but his pot works is still standing. The families had land all over staffordshire, found losts of tax return records etc
http://www.thepotteries.org/buildings/longport_hall.htm has info re the hall
thanks for checking for will etc Nel
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thanks for he links xx ;D
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What do you know about the James Brindley etc?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Hi Nel
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7185210
I found this record
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There is an interesting will of a William Williamson, Gentleman of Ince dated 1st October, 1737 but not sworn until 2nd May, 1750. Apart from his wife Sarah it mentions his brother Robert , sisters Elizabeth Ryder and Alice Helsall and a nephew Robert Ryder. When Sarah dies it goes to Robert and if Robert has already died it is to go to any of his legitimate children that may be born. Therefore, brother Robert hasn`t any children in October, 1737.
Robert marries a Margery Hayes December, 1739 at St. Michaels, Chester. According to the Licence he was 30 or thereabouts! and she was 27. He was a yeoman of Ince.
Alice married a Richard Helsall at St. Oswalds, Chester 6th June, 1834. The licence states he was 34 and of Elton in the Parish of Thornton and she was 24 of Ince.
Elizabeth married John Ryder on 5th June, 1731 at St. Oswalds, Chester. The licence states he was 24 and she was 28 of Ince.
I think William married a Mistress Sarah Griffiths on 20th April, 1733.
Mo
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hey all thanks... Mr Jones.. I have connected with every possible resource I think, the web, Na, books from the library and visited St James, Newchapel last Sunday.
Marg.. have been checking the Na for wills and probate but obviously not searching correctly. Hugh henshall was Robert's son .. thank you...
Mossifish... very interesting.. having checked the igi's for Ince
John Williamson m Alice Edmonson 1 sept 1695
William 1696... if so, he died at 41yrs, his younger brother Robert 1702 m. Margery Hayes 1/1/2/1739 so that ties in with it being left to Sarah or to him or any legitmate children
Elizabeth C. 1698 and 1702
Alice c. 1709
there are several other children and need to do some more research, but it seem's to fit. John described himself as an engineer on his mariage to Ann Brindley and had close ties to Hugh Henshall her brother, who worked with James brindley and finnished the Trent and Mersey canal.. again more research.... thanks a lot...
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Thanks Nel,you must really forgive me!I seem to be clutching at a lot of straws though looking for the father of my ancestor Joseph Brindley born in c 1766.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I have a will (proved about 1784) and in it Edward Salmon of Hassall Hall, Sandbach left legacies to the two daughters of Mr James Brindley the engineer.
Jay
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Mr Jones, no reason to apologize, I may be able to help... are you local to the area?? I have just borrowed a book from the library....James Brindley Canal Engineer. A New perpective by Kathleen M Evans , published by Churnet Valley Books 1997.
There is a Joseph Brindley but no birth or death, married to Ellen Bowman a quaker, she was buried 1733/4 at Yoxhall Church Stafforshire. James Brindley is their eldest son of Wormhill and Lowe Hill, Leek, buried 1770 and father of The James Brindley. They also had Hannah, Esther ad Prudence and there is a suggestion of another sibling. Dates don't quite fit, but may gives you some clues??
James Brindley 1716-1772 had a younger Brother Joseph of Alton Staffs, Millwright, no dates though. Younger sister Esther baptised 1720. John who went to Burslem and became a master potter, Henry, miller and farmer, not dates ? went to Cheshire. Could your Joseph be a son of Joseph, John (probably not as only surviving son was James) or Henry... will read a littlemore Nel:
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Jayson... I know that Anne inherited Greenbank Hall from her Uncle and Susanah married John Betington, I think, that would be another link into the family thanks
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Many thanks Nel,though it may seem given my posts and ancestors that I'm native of the area,I'm merely a direct descendant of many families from the area including the Joseph Brindley who I mentioned born in c 1766 in Staffordshire.Joseph was to marry an Elizabeth Sankey at Stoke-on- Trent on 11/08/1788.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Hi
I lived as a child at the Hamlet of Linehouses, near to Goldendale foundry and the Estate was owned by Mr Williamson who also owned pot banks, mines, a marl hole, blacksmiths, pub, shop and farm in the area. The Linehouses homes, as well as property in High Carr and Latebrook were sold in 1950 by auction after the death of Edith Irene Fanny Williamson. The Harecastle Tunnel (James Brindleys famous achievement ran directly under Linehouses and the horses walked through the village to meet the boats on the other side of the tunnel. Mr Williamson must have had a great deal of contact with James Brindley at that time and ened up married to Brindleys widow Ann after Brindley died before the tunnel was completed.
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It is my understanding from my father who has a very good recall of Mr Robert Williamsons estate and holdings, was that there were 2 Robert Williamsons, father and son. Robert Senior was one of the first to establish a pot bank at Longport. In the 1770s the Harecastle tunnel (BRINDLEY CONNECTION) ran under his land. Robert Williamson married James Brindleys widow Anne and had many children with her. One of which was Robert junior who, with his brother owned much land and mines, ironworks, pottery marl hole etc at Goldenhill and Chatterley, longport. The pottery works later got sold to Davenports. The village of Linehouses, was gated, and housed many of the Williamson workers, including the Goldendale bosses. Dad recalls workers lining up to collect their wages from one of the bigger houses that was home to a Goldendale foundry boss. The village was owned by the Williamsons until the action in 1950 which sold off the estate of E.I.F. Williamson.
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Thanks Matron, I guess you're local, as am I?? looking into Clough Hall Estate... the Williamson's, Kinnersley's, Ford's of Forde green... ie all the big landowners in S-O-T are all linked in some way by marriage or business... Robert Williamson 1st built the first pottery at Longport or Longbridge... as you say... this young man must have had some money behind him.. to build a pottery and then marry Mrs Brindley??wonder whether he may have been an apprentice to Brindley??? but I reckon he must have come from a fairly well to do family to achieve what he did... his son Hugh henshall and his brothers ran Goldendale and had mining interests locally etc... Clough Hall was left to Thomas Kinnersley's niece and then I think passed to one of The Williamson's sons.... then was sold to Robert Heath and then became The Pleasure gardens... just trying to piece it all together
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I understand that Robert Williamson who married James Brindleys widow Anne Hensahall from Bent (Now newchapel/ packmoor area) lived at Longport Hall. She had lived at Turnhurst Hall with James Brindley and had 2 daughters. She and Robert Williamson, who was more her age, had many children, and one seems to have been named Robert after his father and possibly grandfather too. Another, John, died, and another son Hugh Henshall Williamson, seems to have been named after Anne Henshalls brother Hugh Henshall. James Brindley is reported to have been very fond of Hugh Henshall, and he worked for Brindley, and later completed Brindleys work on the Harecastle legging tunnel after Brindleys death. Hugh Henshall and Robert Williamson (Anne Henshalls hubby) started pot banks at Longport, and they both had involvement in the Grand Trunk canal,(including the Henshall wharf), which helped the area to grow and prosper. This Robert Williamson also owned land and pits. James Brindley had owned a pit at Goldenhill, which Anne had possibly owned after her husbands death. Anne Henshall had met James Brindley as a schoolgirl as he had dealings with her father a land surveyor, and married him when she was 19 and he was 49. Brindley had amassed quite a fortune by then, and their marriage was cut short after 6 years, by his death leaving her with 2 young children. He was regarded by Erasmus Darwin, who saw him when he was dying having caught a chill, as having suffered diabetes for around 7 years. Annes brother Hugh also became wealthy, and had canal business interests, as well as the pot bank. Davenports later purchased the Williamson and Henshall potteries. Hugh lived at Greenbank Hall, Bemmersley area, which he left to his sister Anne, and his nephew Hugh Henshall Williamson (Anne Henshalls son) lived there and his brother Robert lived at Ramsdell with his wife who was also confusingly named Anne. She was the daughter of a Newcastle under Lyme banker. I think it was her who died in the 1820s, leaving him alone for many years until he died at 88 in 1869. He developed the canal wharf by Ramsdell which is hardly a surprise with the family history! It was this Robert who had command of the Staffordshire Rifle Volunteers, a 500 strong militia until 1814. The Rifleman pub at Acres Nook is probably so named due to this connection, as is target wood. The Williamson brothers owned many businesses in the area, as well as the village of Linehouses and pits,both marl and coal, ironworks, and farms. I am indeed a local, and grew up in the once gated village owned by the Williamsons at Linehouses. The Harecastle Tunnel ran under the village.
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Thanks for that Matron... really intersting.... some of my family lived at Linehouses I think, also Goldendale and Latebrook. Anne... Robert Williamson's wife was Anne Kinnersley D/o Thomas Kinnersley who bought Clough Hall Estate circa 1812. Thanks for you replies
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thanks Nel,
but I believe the Anne Williamson you mention was the wife of son Robert. Its confusing as Robert Williamson of the James Brindley connection married Ann Brindley (Brindleys widow who was formerly Ann Henshall) who then became Ann Williamson. She had lived at Turnhurst Hall with Brindley. I believe she came from Bent, which was the old Packmoor/ Newchapel area and her father Samuel a land surveyor had worked with Brindley. She had 2 daughters with Brindley who was much older than her, but after his death she married Robert Williamson who had opened a pot bank at Longport, as had her brother Hugh Henshall, who finished Brindleys work on the Harecastle after Brindleys death. This Williamson also had collieires etc, and Brindley had also owned one in Goldenhill. Both Robert Williamson and Anns brother Hugh, did extremely well as the canals and growth of the pottery industry thrived with the better transport links. Anne (ne Henshall, then Brindley) and Robert Williamson had many children together and lived at Longport Hall. Two of children were Robert williamson who also married an Ann (this was Ann kinnersley the daughter of a Newcastle under Lyme banker) and Hugh Henshall Williamson. Who presumably was named after his uncle. Uncle Hugh lived at Greenbank Hall in the Knypersley/Bemersley area and when he died he left it to his sister Ann, who passed it on to his namesake, her son Hugh Henshall Williamson, whist brother Robert lived with Ann (nee Kinnersley) at Ramsdell Hall. I know its a load of Roberts, Anns and Hughs !
Which family name lived at Linehouses as there were not many, so I may well be connected. Goldendale was the foundry name.
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My Grandmother was a Wootton, and her Mother was Malpass, my Grandma's sister married into the Jones family, I think had a shop at Linehouses and a footrail?? Grandad was from Tunstall but him and Grandma lived at Latebrook when they first married, he was Joe Boote. Will have a look, can't quite remember re linehouses as to who lived there. Thanks for the reply though it is confusing isn't it but I think I've got it now!!
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William Booth Wootton lived a 1 Top Row Linehouses in 1881, my GG Grandfather ;D
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hi Nell
thats facinating - but before my time so I will ask the older generation in my family. I recall the shop at Linehouses. Harry Jones had it and Kirkhams before. My grandmothers family owned it in the 1900s. (Cooke) when my gran was a small child. i have a drawing of it. it was a busy place in its day selling all manner of goods with a large storeroom over and the house next door was the accommodation. i remember no1 top row, and Im sure my family will recall several residents. I have pics of the old footie team run from the mission too. Maybe you have a relative on there.
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I know my great grandfather William Wootton, played footie... I have a picture of him in 1906 with the team and managers of Christ Church Tunstall. Look forward to hearing from you after your chat with your family. Will have to ask Mum re stories re Latebrook etc. I know that William was in India during WW1, his wife Louisa moved herself and her family from opposite Goldendale to Latebrook.... without telling him!! I have quite a few old photo's of latebrook and my family from the early 1900's if you're interested.
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Hi, I'm a descendant of James's brother Henry, I found this site today and also this link that may help?
http://roegenealogy.com/FH%20Website/fam7211.html
Hope you find what you're searching for.