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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: shyster2008 on Thursday 11 October 12 03:10 BST (UK)
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Hi there...Just started with this website and I think that I may get some information that I need to research the Wrights Ropes Ltd Dynasty.
It appears that my grandmother was a Relative of John and Erwin Wright...Way, way back....
Only got vague information up to now but I am doing a lot of Research.
If anyone can tell me the name of the Founder when it was Founded in 1770 I would be extremely grateful..
Got a lot of Info about John and Erwin Wright and about the Buy out of Rollaston but as to the bits inbetween 1770 and 1935 the Information is sparse...
It`s a sad fact that my Grandmother lived in St. Andrews Road and she could see the Wrights chimney at the end of the road and knew that she was an Ancestor of the Founders and had been disinherited because of a Family fued.
I would like to see where the rift in this Family Tree occurred so any Information about the Wrights would be greatly received.
Hope I did not bore you with too much reading matter and I hope that my 1st entry into the Forum will be well received.
Any Information I have to date I will gladly share to anyone who wants it and I will keep the Forum up to date with any further Items.
1899-1963 WRIGHTS ROPES LTD.
Formerly known as JOHN & EDWIN WRIGHT LTD.
To date the research I have done has opened up a new area for me ...I wasn`t really interested in the Industrial Revolution..But now..WOW.. What a revelation...We in Birmingham had the Greatest Manufacturing Companies around.
Sorry to bore you all..Will shut down now and shut up OK?
Brian.
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(quote) "Got a lot of Info about John and Erwin Wright and about the Buy out of Rollaston but as to the bits inbetween 1770 and 1935 the Information is sparse..." (unquote)
There is quite a bit of info out there just by putting
JOHN & EDWIN WRIGHT LTD Rope manufacturers 1770's in to google.
However it seems to be mid 1800's and not back to 1770's.
http://atlantic-cable.com/Cables/1865Atlantic/index.htm
This one about leasing properties
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=143-ms_58&cid=-1#-1
This is the The national Archives say about some of their records, but no time frame indicated
at this link http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=197-dybri&cid=0#0
"Many of the companies whose archives are listed here are represented by a small quantity of records, but there are notable accumulations in the cases of Glaholm and Robson, R. Hood Haggie and Sons, Webster and Co and Wrights' Ropes."
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At least one other RootsChatter is researching this family:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,265110.0.html
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Pigot's 1828 doesn't list them,the next reference being White's 1849 which has them at 20 Dartmouth St.
1851 has John & Edwin 2 doors from each other aged 25 & 22 resp. so C.1849 is probably the date they started.
jim
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Hi Jim1
Many thanks for the Info...
Now have a bit more to go on..Dartmouth St. sounds familiar to me from what my Grandma told me.
Still wish for the name of the Founder in 1770....
You will see on all the Wrights Advertising Leaflets that they state "Founded in 1770" !!!!!
I don`t doubt that the Ltd Company was mid 1850`s as I have read the Article on the Atlantic Cable of 1865.
Need a little more to go on.
Anyway, Thanks again.
Brian
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...knew that she was an Ancestor of the Founders and had been disinherited because of a Family fued
If you are doing Family History it helps enormously to get the terminology right. Your Grandmother was a Descendant of the Founders. They were her Ancestors :) :)
Linda
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Hi Linda, I apologise for not getting the phraseology correct...Will get better with time OK?
Still a Novice and, therefore, may I be excused my errors???
Brian
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Errors excused! And I was only trying to help, not criticise!
You will get better, probably very quickly. Especially if you read posts from the more experienced people on RootsChat :) :)
Linda
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Another tip - if you edit your profile to show where you live (at least country, but preferably more) it will stop us giving silly advice.
Not much use telling someone to nip along to the National Archives at Kew if they live in Australia :o ::)
L
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Hi Liz.
Read and understood...
Will get there eventually OK?
Brian.
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Errors excused! And I was only trying to help, not criticise!
You will get better, probably very quickly. Especially if you read posts from the more experienced people on RootsChat :) :)
Linda
Don't read too much, - you'll go bonkers!
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Hi Guyana...
Too much Info coming in too soon...Don`t get time to Research what is sent to me before I get another piece of Information.Appreciate everything provided by all Contributors and keep them coming.
I`ll handle it eventually......Should have done 1 Topic at a time shouldn`t I
No Straight Jacket yet.
Brian
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Good luck Brian. I'v e had a lot of good reading, but I was half bonkers to start with.
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I`ve done a lot of reading on this Subject and I have still not got got an answer to my question as to the Founder of the company..
I am told that it started in the 1880`s and all info supplied, up to now, is the Atlantic Cable of 1885.
OK....I have researched this and find that John and Edwin Wright were involved in the scheme.....
All the Wrights Ropes Ltd Advertisements stated "Founded in 1770"
The Founder was???? in 1770.....This is all I ask...
I keep getting Info for the 1885 Atlantic Cable...
Who or where can I search for the FOUNDER ???? 1770.
Brian.
My brain hurts now as I think I am hitting my head on a brick wall.
Hope someone can remove the brick wall..
No more reference to the Atlantic Cable of 1885 but results as to the Founder of the Company OK?
No Idea as to what the Company was called when Founded nor any Info as to the Founders name..
Hope someone can help.
Help Please.
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I have another little bit of info....
From GracesGuide.....
John and Edwin Wright of Universe Works, Millwall, Popular London and Universe Works, Garrison Street, Birmingham.
Company Established in 1770.
Company Registered on 4th February 1899 to take over the Business of Cable Manufacturere, of a Company of the same name.
There is a bit more of Info contained thereinbut it seems to be irrevelent to my research at this time.
"Company Established in 1770"...This is what I was trying to get at....Who was the Founder in 1770????
Where do I go now ???
Brian.
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Seems that the Company Registered in 1899 was called Wrights Ropes Ltd so I assume that the Founder Company had the same name as the Company it replaced or am I wrong?
Brian
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Hi,
In the 1815 Wrightsons Triennial Directory of Birmingham found this
William Wright~ Rope Maker~ Aston Street.
In a 1777 Birmingham Directory, these are the rope makers in Birmingham listed
J Backhurst
John Fellows
Peter Fellows
Thomas Gilbert
Samuel Walton.
In 1770 Samuel Walton was a rope-maker on Moor Street, none of the other men are listed as ropemakers in the '1770 Streets and Inhabitants of Birmingham'.
claire
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Hi Claire T
From your Reseach would it mean that Wrights Ropes Ltd was not Founded by the Wrights?????
And do I have to start elseware??? Samuel Walton??? Founder ???
Moor Street in Birmingham ??
Back to the drawing board....Thanks for the Info...The plot thickens...
Brian
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If Samuel Walton was the Founder then where did the Wrights come in to it?
Brian.
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Does the Index only state ROPEMAKERS?
What about WIRE ROPE MAKERS? or is it not specific?
Brian.
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Hi
No it just says 'rope maker'.
Here are all the 'Wright' entries in the 1770 Streets and Inhabitants of Birmingham.
JOHN WRIGHT no. 12 Cannon Street ~ Peruke Maker.
JOHN WRIGHT no. 31 Cannon Street ~ Horn Comb Maker.
JOSEPH WRIGHT no 20 the Bullring ~ Patten Maker
JOSEPH WRIGHT no. 15 Bull Street ~ Pastry cook.
JOSEPH WRIGHT no. 19 Masshouse Lane ~ Vice maker.
JAMES WRIGHT no 1 Freeman Street ~ Plater.
MARY WRIGHT no.17 Snowhill ~ Tailor.
JAMES WRIGHT Digbeth ~ Ivory Comb Maker
WILLIAM WRIGHT Church Street ~ Chape Filer.
COOPER and WRIGHT at Dale End ~ Buckle Makers
THOMAS WRIGHT at Dale End ~ Grocer
THOMAS WRIGHT High Street ~ Distiller
GILBERT WRIGHT High Street ~ Draper
THOMAS WRIGHT Park Street ~ Button Maker.
claire
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Hi again,
Think you may like this
The business was founded in 1770 by William Wright of Dartmouth Street, and continued first by his son William and then his daughter-in-law Ann, and in 1846 by his grandsons John and Edwin. They were the patentees and brought the firm to its later size.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22964&strquery=wright
Lots of info on there,
claire
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Hi Claire....
Just doing my sums and they do not seem to add up!!!
William Wright....Born Approx 1745...Founder in 1770
Son William...Born Approx 1765...
Ann....No Idea...Was she Married to William?
Anyway, John and Edwin...Who are the Grandchildren of The Founder, William Wright, were born in 1826 and 1829.
There seems to be a gap or am I reading this incorrectly?
Cannot see john & Edwin Being his Grandsons...Too many years inbetween....Are we missing a Generation??
Brian
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Hi Claire...
Just rechecking my sums.....
Have worked out that based from Birthdate to having a Grandson/Granddaughter it would be approx 46years so the info is probably correct.
Have looked at what you provided and it seems Kosha..
Now next Problem!!!...Daughter in law Ann...Did she Marry William or was this a seperate issue.
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Need now to find the Marriage of William Wright to Unknown in approx 1760.
Who did William Wright Marry?
Brian
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http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=143-ms_58&cid=-1#-1
I think you might have this already, but it bears close reading.
There is mention of a 'deed of separation' between William Wright and Ann Wright. Ann is later then herself referred to as a 'rope and twine maker'. A Jane Turner is referred to as her sister (and an Edward Turner is referred to as Jane's sister), so maybe Edward, Jane and Ann were siblings.
Before William and Ann separated, they had at least two children: Edwin Payton Wright and John Turner Wright. Edwin married Marianne Augusta Turner; John married Mary Henrietta Turner - both women were daughters of Edward Palmer Turner (not sure what relationship, if any to the Edward Turner mentioned earlier) and Mary Griffin (presumably some relation to the John Griffin of Bilston, ironmaster, mentioned, though haven't yet checked what). Marianne Augusta died, having had three children - Marianne Harriet Wright b 1850, John Turner Wright b1853, and Edwin Payton Wright b 1858; Edwin Payton Wright married again, in London, to Amy Dollman, daughter of the Francis Thomas Dollman (an architect in London) mentioned, and had six more children, including Edwin Payton Francis Wright. One of the other children was named Katherine Horsfall Wright, so I wonder if there is some family connection between Webster and Horsfall Ltd (one of the other firms involved in the Atlantic Telegraph Cable) as well as a business one. Very confusingly, at least for me, both Edwin Payton Wright snr and John Turner Wright snr had sons named Edwin Payton Wright and John Turner Wright. Edward Palmer Turner had a son also called Edward Palmer Turner, who married Mary Kendrick in 1840.
In the 1861 census, John Turner Wright snr (at that time aged 35, and married to Mary Harriet) has a 'Mary Wright, aged 67', in his household, and described as his 'mother-in-law'......which I'm not sure I understand.....
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WOW...
Lot of info here...
Will need time to digest it...
Need to do some more research but what you have provided will keep me occupied for some time.
Thanks for all you have provided.
Regards
Brian.
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Hi Vasacat....
Lots of info in your Message..Have managed to get to the root of many of the Items but I still have to do some research based on what you provided.
Thanks, once again, for your Interest...
Regards. Brian.
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Hi Vasacat...
You did a lot of Research on my behalf and I thank you.
After re-reading what Info you sent I can Understand why you are so confused...So am I.....Too many similar names and your Reference to the 1865 Atlantic Cable keeps cropping up.
I will have to dig a little more into the Family History...
If you find anything more for me then I would be extremely grateful...
Will let you know how I get on with the Family Tree OK?
Regards
Brian.
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In the 1861 census, John Turner Wright snr (at that time aged 35, and married to Mary Harriet) has a 'Mary Wright, aged 67', in his household, and described as his 'mother-in-law'......which I'm not sure I understand.....
At that time, 'in-law' often meant 'step'. This confused me the first time I came across it - head of household had a 'son-in-law' aged 5 ???
The boy turned out to be the wife's son from a previous marriage, so today we would say the head had a 'stepson'.
Hope this helps,
Carol
Sorry Vasacat, where are my manners ::) - should have said Welcome to Rootschat :)
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Hi Vasacat....
Hi Vasacat.
Still going through the Info you Posted for me...Lots to Research but you kindly provided some very useful data...
I see that Carol answered one of your queries which I was going to bring up about the "stepson" so I say THANK YOU Carol...Now understand why you were confused...
I`m still a little confused about the 1770 link...My sums still do not add up....So I will have to do a little bit more research into that area..
Anyway, forgot to Welcome you to Rootschat...Hope you have many happy hours doing your own research.
Brian.
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Got some more Info....
You know you told me that Edwin Payton Wright married again, in London, to Amy Dollman and had 6 more Children,
Well, here is a list of them, and all Confirmed by Baptism Etc;
Amy Beatrice Wright....Born in 1861
Edwin Payton Francis Wright....Born in 1863
Edgar T Wright....Born in 1866
Mildred Eleanor Wright...Born in 1868
Katherine Horsfall Wright...Born in 1870
and finally
Henry Noel Payton Wright...Born in 1871
Amy Beatrice Died in 1951 aged 90...What an Innings.
Edwin Payton Francis....Still have to do some more Research on him.
Edgar T...T stands for Trafford, forgot to mention that..Anyway, more Reasearch needed.
Mildred Eleanor..Died at the age of only 4 years..So sad.
Katherine Horsfall...More Research needed.
Henry Noel Payton...Died 1898 at the age of 27 in India...Need more Info on this.
Still a lot more Research to do but, as British Rail says, we`re getting there.
Only one query I have...Who was Mary Wright?? Mentioned in the 1861 Census as living with John Wright and Mary H Wright??
Says she was Mother in Law. But to whom???
Any Ideas??
Brian