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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: moamabob on Wednesday 10 October 12 23:19 BST (UK)
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I hoping for some help with William Pearce & Mary Ann Pearce, I have found William Pearce & Mary Ann Butler marriage 1873 Bathurst, NSW, no record on NSW-BD&M in the name or date...if this my William & Mary Ann, they had 5 children 2 boys 3 girls all the district of Bathurst, NSW, my interest in William & Mary Ann Pearce, is form there son Jesse Pearce marriage to Mary Ann Spilstead, I have most of Jesse & Mary Ann Spilsted record.
But I have hit a brick wall on Jesse parents early life, not sure if one or both were born in Australia, or overseas, ???any further details on them would be appreciated.
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Perhaps she used and alternative first name
REG 1765/ IN 1874 PIERCE WILLIAM
To BUTLER SARAH ANN
At BATHURST
Sue
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Is this your JESSE and a brother?
REG 6173/1870 PEARCE JESSE Parents WILLIAM & SARAH at BATHURST
REG 6263/1872 PEARCE ZACHARIAS Parents WILLIAM & SARAH at BATHURST
Sue
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yes that my Jesse Pearce & this brother.
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Death
REG 12133 YR 1929 PEARCE JESSE Parents WILLIAM & SARAH at REDFERN
The mother's name is consistently SARAH.
Sue
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Death
REG 18360 IN 1932 PEARCE ZECHARIAH (sic) Parents WILLIAM & SARAH at NEWTOWN
What do you believe were the names of the other children to the couple?
Sue
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Jesse died 1929 & Zechariah died 1933 as I say it is the parents, I need help with all the rest of children died ever early in life.
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REG 1765/ IN 1874 PIERCE WILLIAM
To BUTLER SARAH ANN
At BATHURST
Do you have a copy of this mc?
I hoping for some help with William Pearce & Mary Ann Pearce, I have found William Pearce & Mary Ann Butler marriage 1873 Bathurst, NSW, no record on NSW-BD&M in the name or date...if this my William & Mary Ann, they had 5 children 2 boys 3 girls all the district of Bathurst, NSW, my interest in William & Mary Ann Pearce, is form there son Jesse Pearce marriage to Mary Ann Spilstead, I have most of Jesse & Mary Ann Spilsted record.
But I have hit a brick wall on Jesse parents early life, not sure if one or both were born in Australia, or overseas, ???any further details on them would be appreciated.
Did either of the two boys (Jessie, Zach .....) marry? and If so, do you have their mc? The information on mcs re the bride and the groom is often reliable, as afterall it is information that they have provided about themselves.
Cheers, JM (off to look at some early NSW Electoral Rolls for Bathurst and surrounds)
PS, adding, I have just realised that Jesse married. What info is on that mc please?
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Funeral notice for Sarah Pearce, mother of Zac and Jesse in 1923
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16090817
regards,
Ros
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Funeral notice for Martha Pearce, daughter of Sarah and sister of Zac and Jesse in Jan 1923
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16031656
regards,
Ros
adding : death reg
PEARSE Martha, parents William and Sarah at Hurstville in 1923 reg 2390/1923
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Hi there,
NSW ER 1870 BATHURST:
Edward BUTLER, of Sydney, with freehold at Howick St
Patrick BUTLER, freehold, William Street
Henry BUTLER of Vale Road, with freehold at Russell Street
William BUTLER, freehold, George Street
James BUTLER, residence, William Street
William PEARCE, freehold, Ranken St
Charles E PEARSE, residence, William Street
NONE with Pierce as surname
NSW ER 1878 BATHURST
Edward Butler, of Sydney, freehold, Howick St
Henry Butler, of Vale Road, freehold Russell St
James Butler, residence, William St
Patrick Butler, freehold, William St
William Butler, freehold, George St
Patrick K Butler, residence, William St
Thomas Butler, residence, William St
William PEARCE, freehold, Ranken St
Fred. W Pearce, residence Howick St
George Pearce,household, Howick St
John F Pearce, household, Ranken St
Frederick W Peirce, residence, Howick St
NONE with Pierce as surname.
Grevilles 1875 PO Directory, BATHURST
Wm Butler, sodawater factory, George St
Henry Butler, farmer and grazier, Vale Rd
Patrick Butler, householder, Bentinck St
William Pearce, carter, Ranken St
There is a deceased estate file held by NSW SRO and indexed online as William PEARCE, of Bathurst. The date is 1886.
Cheers, JM
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Thank you all for the help it is appreciate
Cheers Bob S
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May I please ask what NSW BDM certificates (or official transcripts) you currently hold?
Cheers, JM
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My interest is in the Spilsted name, All my information is form the free Internet & kind people like yourself freely giving their time.
Again Thank you for the help.
Cheers Bob S
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Hi Bob,
I am somewhat confuddled, as in your inital post I understood you to explain you had records, and I had presumed you had a copy of the NSW marriage certs at the very least, thus confiming you were on the right track with your Jesse and Mary Ann. May I please ask where you have found that your Jesse was the son of a William and Mary Ann Pearce without having a copy of the marriage cert for Mary Ann Spilstead.... I see on the NSW BDM index this marriage : Jesse PEARCE and Mary A SPILSTEAD, registered Blayney in 1893 (#2294).
To me, the details of a marriage registered in rural NSW prior to 1895 would most likely have been recorded at the NSW BDM's head office in Sydney based only on a summary report, and thus would not have included all the usual details found on the local register. Thus most likely the NSW BDM's 1893 ledger would NOT have the names of the parents of the bride and the groom, nor the ages of the bride and the groom, nor the occupations of their fathers. It ought to have the status of the bride and the groom, thus it ought to show if the Bride and or the Groom had been previously married.
So, I think you may need to spend a couple of pennies (around $Au18 last time I checked) and start with that marriage certificate for the status of Mary A SPILSTEAD, (ie spinster, widow, divorcee). If this were my family I was researching, I would only seek out an official transcript of that 1893 mc, and then I would follow my usual practice which I outlined on a thread here at RChat.
Here's the RChat links (on the NSW Resources Board at this link) : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369703.0.html
to
NSW BDM,
Registry of BMD New South Wales
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
· Details on ALL Certificates for New South Wales
· http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistoryCertificates.htm
· http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
to Offical Transcripts
Transcription Agents
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html
and to my thread re blanks on NSW BDM issued mcs. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html
I hoping for some help with William Pearce & Mary Ann Pearce, I have found William Pearce & Mary Ann Butler marriage 1873 Bathurst, NSW, no record on NSW-BD&M in the name or date...if this my William & Mary Ann, they had 5 children 2 boys 3 girls all the district of Bathurst, NSW, my interest in William & Mary Ann Pearce, is form there son Jesse Pearce marriage to Mary Ann Spilstead, I have most of Jesse & Mary Ann Spilsted record.
But I have hit a brick wall on Jesse parents early life, not sure if one or both were born in Australia, or overseas, ???any further details on them would be appreciated.
My interest is in the Spilsted name, All my information is form the free Internet & kind people like yourself freely giving their time.
Again Thank you for the help.
Cheers Bob S
Are you looking for help with SPILSTEAD from around the Blayney district circa 1893? On the off-chance you are, I will have a look at my offline resources. There's so much more to be found OFFline than via any Internet search.
Cheers, JM
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Bob,
It is clear from the registration already given that ZACHARIAH died a year earlier than you have stated. He died 1932
It is clear the name of the wife of WILLIAM was SARAH ANN BUTLER.
In my reply # 5 I have asked you to list the names of the other children to the couple if you know them.
There is a reason for the request and put briefly, it may help in a search for the origins of SARAH and WILLIAM whom you have said are your people of interest.
Are you able to oblige here?
Sue
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All I can add is my record come NSW-BD&M, Roots, Family/Search, Trove, Ryerson Index, & all Free on the internet, & good people like youself helping me I am so grateful, I freely admit would love to pay for lots of certificate's to dig deeper but the pension only go's so far. PS I found William & Sarah marriage on Family/Search.
Cheers Bob S
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This I believe is the death of SARAH PEARCE, mother of JESSE and ZACHARIAH.
REG 12505 IN 1923 PEARCE SARAH Parents SAMUEL & ELIZABETH at RANDWICK
Here is a Funeral notice for her.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16090817?searchTerm="jesse pearce" &searchLimits=l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*
This has given us her parents' names.
Sue
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Hi Bob,
Is this the marriage in 1873 that you found ?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTCY-YWH
You will notice that the transcriber gives both the bride and the groom's status as 'single', so does not give us if the parish record shows Spinster/Bachelor, or Widow/Widower or Divorcee. Single of course indicates that they were free to marry. May I note that it was 1873 that NSW legislation brought in Divorce. The transcription linked above is drawn from the original parish register and it is that register that will have all the usual information about the parentage for them both, as well as their own places of birth, their ages on marriage, occupations, usual place of residence etc. That transcription also uses the spelling found on the NSW BDM online INDEX.
Of course, it is very likely that they were Spinster/Bachelor, but we do not know which Denomination or by which clergyman they were married, or who were their witnesses. That info IS on the 1873 mc.
Cheers, JM
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Hi Bob,
Have you noticed this SUBMITTED entry from 14 June 2010 at family.search
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SB49-LJ8
And, the mention of the surname of the submitter?
They have the marriage as at Redfern and the year as 1874, but they do show Jesse PEARCE as the child of that marriage, and Jesse's marriage to Mary Ann SPILSTEAD and there are NOTES there as well.
Cheers, JM
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The information i am about to post is information that i have verified through certificates and newspaper articles, in particular death notices which detail siblings names etc.
Sarah Ann Butler born 1853 Newtown (parish of StGeorge) was the first child born in Australia to Henry Butler and Mary Smith. She married William Pierce in 1874 in Bathurst. She was in Bathurst at this time assisting her brother, William Butler's family as he had died from tuberculosis. This couple had seven children before William Pierce died in 07 Sep 1889 at Leichardt. He was buried in Balmain Cemetery.
Sarah then remarried in Mathew Brown in 1892. She died 27 Dec 1904 and was buried with William in Balmain Cemetery.
William was born in 1845 in Sydney to Samuel H and Mary A Pierce. There is the occasional mispell between Pierce and Pearce but primarily it was Pierce.
Cheers,
Simone.
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Hi Simone,
You have been an RChat member for a good while before posting ;D but it is good to read your info. I am not a family member, just a fellow RChatter who has posted on this thread.
May I please ask you if you have the confirming details as per the NSW BDM 1874 marriage cert ? Does that NSW BDM document include the elusive details for the Bride and the Groom and their parents? If so, can you please confirm when that document was reconciled by NSW BDM to the parish register. I am asking this question because I am trying to track the exact dates when NSW BDM started and then stopped that process of its 1856-1895 registered marriages (circa 1912 start - 1915 stop)
Many cheers, JM
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Sorry JM, not entirely sure what you are referring to. My transcript shows the parents listed. I have had many certificates, particularly marriages from this time period that often do not show the parents. Religion has no impact on this, i have found many that lack these details, more so in the Bathurst region as i have a number of lines of my family that i have researched from this district.
Rhonda May, It seems i cannot respond to your PM. In response to your email..........
'As on observer of PIERCE/PEARCE thread there is something in your research that does not add up.
Compare these records at Bathhurst with Funeral Notices in 1923.
Births
6173/1870 PEARCE JESSE, WILLIAM SARAH BATHURST
6263/1872 PEARCE ZACHARIAS, WILLIAM SARAH BATHURST
Marriage
1765/1874 PIERCE WILLIAM & BUTLER SARAH ANN BATHURST
Deaths
3690/1874 PEARCE ELIZABETH, WILLIAM SARAH BATHURST
4423/1878 PEARCE ELIZA, WILLIAM SARAH BATHURST
4366/1879 PEARCE STEPHEN, WILLIAM SARAH BATHURST
Martha, the daughter of Sarah, and sister of Jesse and Zac, was buried Tuesday 30 Jan 1923 in the Randwick General Cemetery, Long Bay Rd Coogee.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16031656
Death
12505/1923 PEARCE SARAH, SAMUEL & ELIZABETH RANDWICK
Sarah, the mother of Jesse and Zac, was buried in the Baptist Cemetery Long Bay Rd Coogee, on Saturday 1 Sep 1923.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16090817
Now is this a different family?
Births
4059/1875 PIERCE WILLIAM H WILLIAM SARAH A NEWTOWN
4379/1876 PIERCE ETHEL MARGARET WILLIAM SARAH ANN NEWTOWN
4702/1878 PIERCE PERCY SAMUEL WILLIAM SARAH ANN NEWTOWN
5477/1880 PIERCE MARY ANN ELIZABETH WILLIAM SARAH ANN NEWTOWN
6637/1881 PIERCE ROSE ANN B WILLIAM SARAH ANN NEWTOWN
7009/1883 PIERCE ARTHUR ERNEST WILLIAM SARAH ANN NEWTOWN
8609/1884 PIERCE ERNEST J WILLIAM SARAH A NEWTOWN
Death
2657/1889 PIERCE WILLIAM SAMUEL H MARY A LEICHHARDT
Marriage
1855/1892 BROWN MATHEW PIERCE SARAH A SYDNEY'
My family is the second lot of Pierce you have typed up. I felt i should post on this thread as it appeared the original post incorrectly identified the marriage of William Pierce and Sarah Ann Butler as being that of the line that later had Zach and Jessie.
This is not the case, using Trove Newspapers will assist, the marriage notice also provides details from the SMH.
Cheers,
Simone.
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Hi Simone
I am referring to almost all the NSW BDM issued mcs for 1856 to 1895 as most of those were ONLY summary certs. Then in 1912 NSW BDM commenced to reconcile their own summary records with the ORGINALS held by the various denominations .... not just in Bathurst region but right qcross NSW. Then during 1915 many NSWBDM clerks enlisted so that reconciliation project stopped.
The fully reconciled mcs show the original handwritings for witnesses and for bridee and for groom and for clergy AND show ALL the required info eg father of bride qand groom nd noting if deceased and mother for both including former and nee names and age for bride and groom ...etc etc tc ... NO BLANKS and an outside margin notation giving dates and registerSSS (at least 1 but up to 5 at times) that NSWBDM reconciled their records with the respective denominational record.
As I am on my e reader I cannot cite live link to a thread on Aussie board that I did to help RChatters find the missing info ...
Perhaps other RChatters can help me out or I will post the link tomorrow. It could help you with confirming info on all NSW lines.
Cheers JM... fingers crossed my spelling is close enough.
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Here it is JM :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html
cheers,
Ros
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Thanks Ros!
Simone, please have a read through the link Ros has popped there.
Cheers JM
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Thank you Simone for clearing up some confusion between William PEARCE and wife Sarah, and William PIERCE and Sarah Ann BUTLER. Just a co-incidence both couples had links to Bathurst.
Rhonda