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It would appear we are only allowed a certain amount of charactors so if I may I will try this in two postings
I have been rattling around here for some time and I am of the notion that there are several Kyle's or descendants of Kyle's on this site who are or may be related and therefore chasing info on the same ancesters.
In our family folklore the family came from the Bellaghy area in Co Londonderry prior to moving to Tullynahinnion.
There obviously has been a connection to the Vance family at one point as that surname became a christian name in at least two legs of the Kyle family.
The family connection to later Mckeown's, Leetch's, Crawford's, Harris's etc and mentioned in another post are fairly well known so no further info is required there. This is about the descendants and ancesters of a John Kyle Tullynahinion probably born around 1830 in or near to the Bellaghy area.
My GGGrandfather John is where the problems or lack of knowledge becomes a problem.
This was a John Kyle father of William Kyle born circa 1871.
From that John Kyle onward in the Tullynahinnion line of the family is well documented but John had siblings as had his son William. These are the connections that are a little vague.
This John Kyle had several wives, possibly four.
According to family stories at least two had family.
Given that William had brothers and sisters and we are fairly sure his father had siblings also I would like info on where everyone possibly went to and perhaps some of this may make sense to some distant descendant who like some here is missing a link or two.
There are several long standing Kyle families in the Portglenone Co Antrim area who are likely to be connected, we would just like to know how if so.
As well as the church record info I have generously received I will also refer just now to a couple of pages taken from a book "BALLYMENAGH. TOWN BY THE ROUGH TERRAIN"
This refers to a James Kyle from Tullynahinnion who later went on along with his son John and again later his grandson to build and rebuild what is now known as Broadway Ave but was then known a Kyle street.
This leg of the family is unknown to us but looks very like they are of the same ilk.
Anyhow on to John. As above he had several wives and more than one family.
The little bit of info below may or may not refer to the actual John but is taken from records and the fact it is on open view may help someone.
We do know John had one wife from the Mckeown family and there is reference to a Margaret Mckeown recorded as John's 2nd wife. Certainly William Kyle of Tullynahinion age confirmed in the Irish census does match with the births registered to John and Margaret (nee Mckeown) Kyle. Apparently that McKeown family also had a tie with McKeowns of Finkiltagh (Finkilragh in the Irish census)
As best the survivors are aware there were no other Kyle families living in the townland of Tullynahinnion at any time other than the family that originate from Bellaghy or near by to Bellaghy.
That said the 1901 census gives a John Kyle in Tullynahinion with a wife Eliza Jane and daughter Anne Jane. At present we dont know anything about this wife and daughter if in fact that is the same John Kyle. This John would have been circa the correct age to be William Kyle Tullynahinnion father but no one has turned up any record of that marriage to me as yet.
There is also a family story surrounding the death of John's father.
The story has it that John's father passed away while in Ballymena. He apparently choked whilst eating/drinking and his son John who was with him and little more than a child was put in charge of the horse and cart and sent home with his deceased father in the cart. Certainly tougher times than we know today. This story may be in other families yarns/folklore and might be a missing link.
Both my father and myself have met several people from various parts of the Provence who once they find who we are and and where we are from state that their grandmother or other ancestor was a Kyle from Tullynahinnion. Unfortunately they have no more information than we do but nevertheless it is very likely to be related.
2nd posting should follow below
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It could be that with more than one family there could possibly have been sibling rivalry or other favoritism one way or another within the family that could have resulted in the break up of the siblings. It certainly seems a little more than peculiar that neither my father nor I have ever heard mention of the several names that are likely to have been siblings. We are aware of a leg of the family who made their way to New Zealand prior to Williams son Thomas "Tommy" but have not had any real contact. That family had a Vance (Bernie) Kyle within their ranks.
So really this is about The John Kyle detailed above and mainly about either the ancestors or descendants of that John Kyle and his father who are not of today's Tullynahinnion Kyle's.
There may be descendants whom we are aware exist but have had no contact or lost contact with for a generation for one reason or another. If you are one of those feel welcome to message me.
This little story and the info below is all I have and the referances below and that from the Irish census may or may not be connected to the Kyle family of John Kyle. What I am after is the missing links and more so the missing siblings. If you find something in this that helps you but is of no connection to the John Kyle above please let me know so I can eliminate that from the possibilities.
I do have a very good lead/pencil drawn picture of John but it is way too big for our scanner. I do have a not too good photo taken of that if i knew how to post it on here.
Courtesy of Kingkerswell
This is what I can find.
In 1858 John Kyle married Margaret McKeown in Glenarm Presbyterian Church. His fathers Name was Joseph. This couple had the following children after 1864 ( registration date) registered in Portglenone
1864 David
1866 William (died young)
1867 James
1869 Margaret Elizabeth
1871 William
1873 Male child.
Another John Kyle marriage where the father was Joseph. 31st march 1852 To Mary Jane Harris in Portglenone First Presbyterian Church. I can find no children.
Another John Kyle Marriage where the father was Joseph. 1876 to Sophia McMullan in Wellington St. Presbyterian Church, Ballymena. Children from this marriege were registered in Portglenone.
1876 Ann Jane
1878 Mary
1880 Lena.
My info on child registration only go up to 1881. The final marriage was in 1883 to Elizabeth Craig in Portglenone First Presbyterian Church.
I cannot say that these are all the same man but the father in each case is Joseph and they are all in your area of interest. Hope this helps.
Hi Again,
Church records are fairly sparse before 1845 but I checked what I have in the Bellaghy area and found that a William Kyle married Mary Vance in Castledawson Presbyterian Church on 1 Dec 1820. This is in the Magherafelt area and about 5 miles from Bellaghy.
It might be a good idea to put the information on the site as there are others who have better sources than me.
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Hi
I have tree on ancestry if you wish to see it, the tree contains info about kyle's, Harris's etc that i have pieced to together from numerous posts.
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I'll pm you my email
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Very nice although I have not got "into" it just yet but no doubt that will come in the wee hours. The tree shows a Joseph Kyle marrying a Mary Vance.
Now Kingkerswell gave me referance to a Willliam Kyle having married Mary Vance in Castledawson Presbyterian church.
Can you elaborate a little on this either of you
Thanks yet again
D
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Joseph and William were brothers i think they both married a Mary Vance who i would imagine to be cousins.
William Kyle married Mary Vance in 1820 daughter of William Vance and Nancy Davidson they moved to Wisconsin.
Joseph Kyle married a Mary Vance in 1816, there daughter Elizabeth was my gt grandmother x 3
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That would agree with there being the name Vance used as a christian name so often both here and in the US.
Joe Kyle having also married a Mary Vance would also be in keeping with family history. We were aware of a Vance as a direct ancestor but it never occurred that there may be 2 Mary Vance's.
I'm glad I posted now as I now have info I hadn't earlier but was merely hearsay
Thanks
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Sophia McMullan seems to have been from Carnalbanagh born circa 1848.
Maybe there is some records out there of this family.
Margaret McKeown is a well known family history but the marriage in Glenarm was not expected.
We were of the opinion that this Margaret McKeown was related to the McKeown's of Finkiltagh who were later to marry into the Kyle family in the form of a John Kyle B circa 1898 to Jane McKeown daughter of William John McKeown and Elizabeth Thompson
We have no idea when the McKeown's arrived in Finkiltagh (Finkilragh in Irish census) However I do know that That John and Jeanie (Jane) moved to a farm in Finkiltagh that not long before had been owned by Jane McKeown's Uncle Andrew
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Margaret's address is given as Aughnagash witness James McKeown, John was already a widow but not sure who he was married to previously-the name curtis and bell came up somewhere but can't remember where.
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Thats good. You have been a huge help and all factual.
As per Kingkerswell
John Kyle marriage where the father was Joseph. 1852 To Mary Jane Morris in Portglenone First Presbyterian Church. I can find no children.
That is probably the correct John Kyle and would agree with him being a widow.
I cant remember the entire name without either my father or daughter but here goes. Its in our family history
sophia maria laetitia ??????? constantine curtis bell
Cant remember the connection but if it is sticking in your mind its not a bit wonder, there's not many with a book for a name.
I'll find out from My Dad if he remembers or my daughter who seemed to latch on to it as a child.
Thanks again.
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The John Kyle you mentioned on the 1901 census was married in 1883 to an Elizabeth Craig widow-previous name Bell!
who was sophia?
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someone said John was married 4 times, just found an e-mail from New Zealand sent in march last year that states he was born Tullynahinnion tho the census states Londonderry which would still be correct.
marriages
1. Martha Harris?
2. Margaret McKeown
3. Anna Maria Curtis Bell
4. Sophia McMullan
still not precise though
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Anna Maria Latitia sophia constantine Curtis Bell. Had to get that lot together just the now. Oh and I'll get the who she was and to whom and post it.
Interesting that the census is different from reality. I think I remember ?? telling me this while I was in NZ.
Tullynahinnion is in Co Antrim.
It is very possible that John was born in Tullynahinnion but these little things happen. In this case we are fairly well convinced that what is turning up here is fact.
There was a John Kyle (full cousin of our John) son of William Kyle (Brother to Joseph) and Mary Vance who married a Mary Jane Harris (Martha) apparently?? Could this be where the Harris connection come in at that generation. There were a lot of connection to the Harris's it would seem. Didnt stop there, came right down into my generation
Now William Kyle and Mary vance are quoted as going to Wisconsin but there is also evidence that their son John Kyle married a Mary Jane Harris as above.
Could someone have been confused as I have with the amount of Mary Vance's and John Kyle's that appear as a result.
John's last wife is well renowned to have outlived him but had no family to him.
I am leaning toward the earlier info supplied by Kingkerswell that quotes marriages that run one after the other.
If he had married a Harris that would have been more than likely the normal neighbourly Harris's we presume.
I would be hard to convince that that would not have been recorded in Portglenone to a John Kyle who's father was a Joseph. The Harris's have been Portglenone longer than the Kyle's
Thanks again I'll run this around everyone.
D
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I couldnt understand the 1901 census having a
John Kyle as head of house
Eliza Jane as Wife
and an Anne Jane as daughter especially as it is so well known John had no family to his last wife.
Will someone correct me if I am wrong. Could there be a mistake with the age of Ann/Anne Jane.
Let presume.
The John Kyle is "our John"
The Eliza Jane is in fact Elizabeth Craig/Bell
The Anne Jane is the daughter Ann Jane b1876 to previous wife Sophia.
The 1901 census refers to Anne Jane as being 21yrs. Ann Jane born to Sophia is given as being born or reg in 1876 which would have made her 25/26yrs in 1901.
It is well passed down that John was outlived by his last wife and that wife had no family. As a matter of fact there is a bit of a jokey yarn about that but it best not quoted I feel.
It is interesting that there is an Ann/Anne Jane referred to twice, once in the census and once in the reg in Portglenone although the dob and census age dont match this Ann/Anne Jane doesn't appear anywhere else and neither does any other John Kyle of the correct age and townland so would anyone like to lay odd's on the 1901 Anne Jane age being incorrect. I have had a little bit of a nose'y and there are several ages quoted in the two census for other families that dont agree with suggested age at registration.
Please feel free to comment. I am not a person prone to assumptions rather I get myself in trouble for being too calculating and too logical. This however does not seem to be an exact science like engineering where it either fits or it doesn't.
This is going way better than I thought and again thanks to everyone. Especially Kingkerswell and nvb272 who without I would not have had the first idea where to go.
All I need now is for the descendants of some of the other sibling to read this and post a reply.
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Hi,
It was very common for ages to be incorrect. I have often seen a difference greater or less than ten years between the 1901 and 1911 census for the same individual.
Regards
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I am interested to see there is a McKeown connection in your Kyle family - I am researching James McKeown/McKeon (father was James McKeon, farmer) who married Sarah Houston in Ballyeaston in 1845 in the Church of Ireland, they had a son David McKeown around 1857 in Ballyclare (he subsequently came out to NZ). I have found a family of McKeown's in the 1901/1911 Tullynahinnion census which could fit. Does anyone have any information of any of the above McKeowns.
Any help/advice greatly appreciated.
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I haven't really gotten into the McKeown side just yet as it is not proving the easiest. Neither was the Kyle's until I posted here and got the Irish census of 1901.
The census has proved a couple of things that were previously not known along with a couple of leads presented here.
If you have one ancestor "Mckeown" in the middle to late 1800s it is likely that is the spelling you are after.
Several things also. There are those with the theory that "McKeown" is an Irish name and that may be so to a point but that leg of our family were fiercely proud of their Scot's heritage. And I mean fierce.
Without a little more guidance or information I haven't much to go on about your James. I am trying to put a lot of this together while both my father and his aunt who was born McKeown and now at 94 are still around.
Be very cautious with the census and for that matter much information.
On my mothers side I can show you the same man twice on the census of different age(6yrs) than he should be and in the Kyle's I found the same thing. Kingkerswell also pointed out to me this is not uncommon. Niether it would seem is a lady using a differant christian name/s once married.
This is not an easy task without a little family knowledge. Even such a thing as knowing that two old outhouses on a neighbouring farm were once Tams barn and Sams barn.
That same farm however had a house known as Rachael Harris's but Rachael Harris didnt own it though.
Yes there were several James McKeown's in what we know of our family.
Have you any area, townland etc to go on.
Houston is synonymous with the Ballyclare area and Ballyeaston is not far from the Glens where I think our McKeown's seem to have hailed from before being around here.
My GGGrandmother was from McKeown Aghagash.
The weddings were mostly in the bride's church.
Also be careful with the spelling of Finkiltagh. Irish census has Rinkiltagh and Finkilragh and Porglenone is often Portglanone
If you have more info, even family stories/legends/folklore are often carried from one generation to the next and can mean the difference between persisting or not.
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Thanks for your reply. Maybe some of this information may ring a bell with your aunt McKeown and your father? I have been searching for so long so hope you don't mind me grasping straws :-)
This is the information I have regarding my McKeowns:
From the marriage certificate:
James McKEOWN (McKEON) born about 1823 married Sarah
HOUSTON in Ballyeaston (Parish of Ballycor and Rashee) 9 September 1845 in
the Church of United Church of England and Ireland by licence, on the
marriage entry Jas McKEON, Labourer (father of James) and
Thomas HOUSTON, farmer, (father of Sarah), witnesses George BEGGS and
Elizabeth BEGGS (or BIGGS),
D.C. COURTENAY was the Perpetual Curate.
Their son David McKEOWN born about 1857 in Ballyclare (according to his New
Zealand marriage certificate which also provided his parents names) , he
travelled to New Zealand from Belfast to New Zealand on the ship Conflict in
1857, his name was bracketed with with a George GRAY (David at this time was
21 and George was 14) we are descended from David.
I feel the following family is connected as well (James could be a sibling
of David's):
James McKEOWN b.1846 (wife Mary McVEIGH/McVAY b.
1850) who married in 1869 in Belfast who had Huston McKEOWN born 7 Jan 1871
in Ballynure,David McKEOWN b. 1872 and Samuel McKEOWN born 25 Jul 1874
Ballynure.
I also found in the 1901 /1911 census this information about a family of McKeowns (I wonder if the James - head of household could by my James who married Sarah from my line) - James McKeown b about 1828, head of the family, Presbyterian, in Tullynahinnion with his two daughters - Mary and Nancy, and a grandson David born about 1897.
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Your right on my doorstep and my family with your James McKeown Tullynahinnion.
I'll have a go with my elders although it is a little vague maybe for them.
Am I correct in assuming you are in NZ.
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Hi
Yes I am in New Zealand, I would really appreciate if you could make inquiries.
I am really hoping the family I found in the 1901/1911 census is my James McKeown (who had married Sarah Houston in 1845.) I probably will have to find out who the mother of the two (or three) daughters (Mary A born about 1861 and Nancy and/or Agnes born ab out 1869) in the census's to confirm, or find James death certificate.
I have just found this morning an entry in Family Search website of a John McKeown (b 1858)whose parents were James McKeown and Sarah "Houstim" and John was born in Northern Island but went to New York USA and it's his second marriage that is recorded on that site. (first marriage was when he was 23 and I presume still in Ireland)
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What year did he go to the US?? Was he lets say older!!
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John McKeown when in 1898 and remarried in New York in 1906.
My David left New Zealand when he was 21 around 1878.
Would be amazing if there was a connection between my confirmed McKeown's (being James and Sarah and their son David) to your McKeowns.
I do think it looks hopeful that John may be David's brother though.
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After much help on here and info from around the world I have most of the info in connection with the family or at least the lines directly to our current Kyle descendants as we know it from Tullynahinnion/Ballymacombs.
To the moderators thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow at times. I may need your help in the future and if there is anything dubious in this posting please tell me and I'll try and word it different or remove a bit if required.
This is a good web site and free to boot. There is a lot of good folks on here and if I can I will help where appropriate.
I would like more info on what I would term the " sideways" ancestor's and some distant cousins.
Here goes.
It would appear that the descendants of Joe and Mary "Vance" Kyle who made their way from Ballymacombs to Tullynahinnion have little potential connection with the many Co Antrim Kyle families from around the Portglenone Co Antrim area. This came as a little of a surprise but would be in agreement with handed down family history.
There may however or at least be more of a chance of a connection to other Kyle families from Co Derry/Co Londonderry descent.
I am aware of the families connection to Lima Wisconsin USA and thankful to some there who have sent me family information. As a matter of fact there are more of the family there than here.
I am leaving this thread open in the hope that someone will eventually read it and add a little.
Information that interest's me is Joe and Marys grandchildren born to John Kyle's 3rd wife Sophia McMullan and recorded in Portglenone.
Ann(e) Jane b1876 Still present in Tullynahinnion on the 1901 census ??
Mary b1878 ??
Lena b1880 ??
I believe through having met various potential relatives over the years that one of these sisters may have descendants around the Crumlin area.
It didnt make any sense at the time of meetings but we were not aware of these three daughters untill recently.
I am aware John's Kyle's son James to Margaret McKeown is very likely to be the James Kyle mentioned in "Ballymeanagh town of the rough terrain".
John's son David to Margaret Mckeown went to NZ
John's daughter Margaret Elizabeth to Margaret Mckeown I would welcome info on. ??
I would welcome info on the McKeown family from around Aghagash/Deerpark Farms, Slemish area's who attended Glenarm pres church late 1800s early 1900s. ??
I would welcome info on the McMullan family from around Carnalbanagh/Aghagash/Slemish area late 1800s early 1900s who are likely to have attended or had a connection to Ballymena, Wellington St Pres church. ??
Information no matter how controversial on the families Kyle, Vance, Galloway, Dickson etc being in or arriving in Ballymacombs prior to siblings Joseph, William, John and Margaret (married James Galloway) would be welcome. PM me on this first rather than causing any potential confusion by posting it.
I also might be interested in following up the initial attempts started by the Kyle society on the genetics project for the family name.
This would probably be best done thought the society although the society could maybe need a little help or encouragement.
Please pm me on this as this involves us folks still above ground and this forum is not for discussing those of us still above ground.
I have spoke to local folks who take a doubtful view of the US version of Kyle history but it makes as much sense than almost every Ulster/Scots family here being thrown out of Scotland for stealing cattle or whatever which is very doubtful indeed.
Anyhow thanks in advance for any future information or leads.
Please feel welcome to PM me on much of the above or add a post if you are fairly sure information is correct.
Cheers and have a happy and prosperous 2013.
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Re: Kyles Tullynahinion Antrim
This is my family. It seems to me that we all have little bits of info and some interesting anecdotes which have come down through the family. I have found Earl Godfrey invaluable with his info about the early family who went to Whitewater. The one thing that I can definitely say is that it was James Kyle and not his brother David who came to New Zealand. I was always told that David went to New York where he was either murdered or committed suicide. He may have patented a bottle opener, possibly with his brother Thomas! James came to NZ early 1890s and married Mamie Carmilla de Rosa in 1896. They were my grandparents. I also wonder if we are missing a generation. FamilySearch has a son Joseph born to Joseph Kyle and Lavina Harris in 1809 and possibly marrying yet another Mary Vance in 1829. This couple could possibly have been the parents of John Kyle (1828-1903) and his siblings. However the info was submitted by a patron and may be quite unreliable. Happy to contact any relatives off-line.
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Hi, We meet again,
Your info on James and David certanily has got to be correct and I'll amend appropriately
I'll pm you just now.
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Hi again,
I cant see any any Joseph Kyle marrying a Lavina Harris.
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place or perhaps not using the site to its full potential so if you could send me the link I would really like to check it out.
I would love to get a generation earlier as like lots of families here many of the records were destroyed and/or lost.
My previous reference to a James Kyle from the writings Ballymeanagh a town by the rough terrain is obviously wrong as you quote our James as being your Grandfather and I aggree to that being correct having gone to NZ.
Your reference James brothers David and Thomas having done to the US is almost certainly correct including the reference to bottles although we had it as being a bottle washing patent. However that is of little importance unless or until descendants turn up.
Thanks in advance
The writings in Ballymeanagh etc quote a James Kyle as having left his home in Tullynahinnion and walked to Ballymena.
We have only two James Kyle's in our family having been born in Tullynahinnion both of which are now accounted for although only one of these actually fitted the correct time frame anyhow.
Having various connections to Tullynahinnion we have no information of another appropriate Kyle family being in Tullynahinnion at that time for a James Kyle to have walked from his home in Tullynahinnion.
If anyone reading this can fill us in on this I would welcome further information on that James Kyle or that Kyle family.
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Greetings all
I can't be much help, but am also trying to get back to earlier generations than most of those posted so far. I am descended from Mary Kyle who married James Haw (or Hall) and was in Aughnacleagh another township close to Portglenone town. I have no idea of her parentage, but her dates are roughly 1806 to 16 September 1882. They had children named Jane (b c 1834), William (b c 1840) and Mary (b c 1845) that I have been able to identify. From grandchildren's names I would guess the most likely Kyle ones (apart from Mary) to be John and Ann, but this could be a red herring. Jane Haw/Hall married (1855) Alexander Rea/Rae from Tullynahinion and ended up in Glasgow. Any clues there?
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I have checked all our details and a couple of tree's I have access to and can see no link between your Kyle's and our own.
I would be firmly of the opinion that your Kyle's were from Aughnacleagh or thereabouts.
Aughnacleagh is only down the road from here and there were Kyle's there up until lately.
I see Sibbett's and Lamonts listed in your profile.
Sibbets are local to the area and remained in the area as did the Lamont s. I know you list the Lamont as Scotland but there was so much too'ing and fro'ing the Lamont may hail from here. You may already know.
The Portglenone Lamont's are close to my family but not directly rather through a marriage. I do have a connection who has a lot of Lamont history.
Message me again or pm me if I can be of any help.
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There is a cd that you can get by R.M. Sibbett called on the shining bann that was originally published in 1928.
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The Shining Bann should anyone be interested is currently available from the following.
ALONG THE SHINING BANN: MEMOIRS OF AN ULSTER MANOR
by R.M. Sibbett
R.M. Sibbett's ON THE SHINING BANN: RECORDS OF AN ULSTER MANOR was first published in 1928 and is an essential purchase for anyone interested in the history of Mid-Antrim. Sibbett's detailed account of the Manor of Cashel is based on historical records and interviews and provides much information about the Mid-Antrim area of Northern Ireland.
ON THE SHINING BANN is a rich source for those pursuing genealogical research or history relating to the area around Ballymena, Portglenone, Cullybackey, Ahoghill and further afield.
Long out of print, AVALARD PUBLISHING are pleased to be bringing this essential text back into circulation in this facsimile edition via their GORTAHERON BOOKS label. This hardback contains the complete unedited original text of the 1928 edition.
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Hi
There was a John Harris that married a Lavinia Kyle b.1833, his father David I believe was the brother of Robert harris who's son James married Elizabeth Kyle in 1849.
their son Joseph married Elizabeth Leitch in 1874 before moving To Glasgow, there were to Mary Vance-Mary 1 married William Kyle and went to Wisconsin, Mary 2 who was probably a cousin married Joseph Kyle they were married 1821 and 1816 in Castledawson.
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Hi stranger, I haven't been on here for a while as I'm up to my ears in things I'm not fit to be at so everything is only very slowly getting done.
Do you by any chance know which of the numerous churches in Castledawson Joe an Mary were married in.
I'll get around to the tree again shortly once I have a free evenings free.
Thanks again
D
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Hi,
Can't find a marriage of Joseph and Mary but William Kyle married Mary Vance in Castledawson Presbyterian Church but the date was 1 Dec 1920.
Regards
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Hi
cant do anything at moment but will check in next couple of days-as for Joseph kyle his marriage is on IFHF.
regards
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Joseph Kyle married Mary Vance at Castledawson 26/12/1816
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Hi, I found your post most interesting as I am researching the Morris family. Have you encountered the Stoddart family (Tyanee, Portglenone)? They were Mary's first husband's family (I believe she married into the Morris family around the 1940 time period)?
I have just started a new post in the Co Antrim section entitled "Enquiry re Morris / Stoddart families in Tyanee, Portglenone". Do you possibly have any information to add?
With kind regards, Mervyn.
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I remember that Roots may be alittle fickle. You may need to post a few public replies before you can reply to a personal message.
It may be 5 it may be 10 I'm not sure
If you cant reply to my personal message to you just send me one liners a few times.
In the meantime maybe edit your long post a little
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Hi, I have been searching for my KYLE or KYLES roots in Co Antrim for years (including visits to Ireland) maybe someone out there maybe able to help. I was in Portglenone in 1911 and had this weird feeling it might be a place of interest. So here is what I have. Angus KYLE/S married Agnes McKin(d)lay presumably in Ireland Co Antrim they had 5 children born in Co Antrim. Mary-Ann, John, Hellen, James and Jane all born between 1821 and 1831. All except for Agnes were in Ayrshire, Scotland by 1838 when Mary-Ann married. I have traced them all but cannot find them born in Ireland or the marriage of Angus and Agnes. Angus went on to remarry in 1841 in Scotland and again in 1858. I can only presume Agnes died in Ireland. ANY inkling of my family would be wonderful. Have been told the only way to find them would be to spend 6 months in Co Antrim and go search the records of the 38 Parishes involved.... what a dream..Thanks so much for any help you can give.... Glenda
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Few church records survive for the period you are looking for and not all are online so I'm not sure how you might 'go search the records of the 38 Parishes involved' (I have no idea what you mean by 38 parishes). You really do need to know their religion and where they lived before starting a search. There is a stickied topic about starting Irish research on the IRELAND RESOURCES board.
To save others from wasting time, here's some of your previous posts about the Kyles-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=493018
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=157613
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=322042
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=322047
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=322434
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=323583
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