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Title: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Tuesday 09 October 12 21:43 BST (UK)
Hi
Not sure if I am having a blond moment or a senior moment or a bit of both!!!!!
1851 shows Abraham Moon with Elizabeth who he married in 1835.  It looks like she died in 1855.  In 1861 Abraham is with Grace but I can't find a marriage......can anyone help please?

Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 09 October 12 23:40 BST (UK)
Possible to Grace Speight in 1860 but need to check

Ignore - wrong marriage

1871 Abraham is shown as a widower

Deaths March qtr 1867 
Grace Moon aged 38  Wharfedale  9a 112

If Elizabeth died 1855 - then Arthur Moon 4 and Ann Moon 1 Month in 1861 must be Grace's children but there are no births in the Wharfedale registration district

Ann died in 1864
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: down-under on Wednesday 10 October 12 00:32 BST (UK)
There is a Grace Moon born 1829 and died 1867 Wharfedale she was age 32 1861 census he is a widower 1871


Did he marry  a Susannah  Waite 2nd of september 1832 Guiseley St Oswald  also??
There is a Hannah age 8 1841 census

1835 Guiseley St Oswald Elizabeth Clapham



1841

Abraham Moon age 30
Elizabeth Moon age 25
Hannah Moon age 8
Emma Moon age 3
Abraham Moon age 1


baptism Hannah Moon dau of Abraham and Susannah Moon Guiseley St Oswald 7th July 1833
Children of Abraham and Elizabeth Moon

John 1836
Emma 1838
Abraham 1840
Mary 1841
Grace 1843
Isaac 1845
Martha 1846
I see there are Hannah, Emma, Abraham, Mary, Isaac,  James and Charles 1851 census

children of Abraham and Grace
Elizabeth 24th december 1855
Arthur 1857
George 1858
Ann 1861

And  Emma Abraham Mary, Isaac, Arthur, and Ann 1861 Census


Cannot see a marriage.

Regards Pam
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Ibbo2000 on Wednesday 10 October 12 01:00 BST (UK)
Hi,

Was just about to ask the same question, also noticed the marriage to Susannah Waite before the Elizabeth Clapham marriage.

Married Susannah 2/9/1832 Guiseley St Oswald.
There's a burial for Susannah at St Oswald on 29/5/1834.

Haven't found a marriage to Grace as yet.

Modified to add still cannot locate a marriage to Grace, have taken a look at the British Library newspaper site to see if there was any announcements listed - none that I can find. However there are a few references to Abraham Moon, cloth manufacturer, particularly his accidental death in 1877 - result of a horse & carriage crash in Yeadon.

Kev.
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Calverley Lad on Wednesday 10 October 12 06:50 BST (UK)
There is a marriage between a William Moon and  Hannah Clapham at St Oswald's 15th May 1836.
(Brother of Abraham marrying the sister of Elizabeth)?
 Brian
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Ibbo2000 on Wednesday 10 October 12 07:40 BST (UK)
Interesting regarding William, if I remember correctly (without logging back on to the site), whilst browsing the newspaper site, in the early 1830's Abraham Moon & I think it was a William Moon were in court having a partnership dissolved, probably the wrong word & names, but when I saw it I did wonder what the relationship was.

Kev.
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Wednesday 10 October 12 16:47 BST (UK)
Hi all
Thank you sooooo much for all the new info!

I have just looked back at my notes and notice that in 1841 Grace Clapham is living with Abraham and Elizabeth Moon (Elizabeth's sister????)  (Abraham's future wife???)

Can a man marry his dead wife's sister?

Thank you for all your help, as always it's VERY much appreciated
Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Ibbo2000 on Wednesday 10 October 12 18:34 BST (UK)
Hi,

I think you may be correct, but still can't locate a marriage, Grace Clapham does look to be Elizabeth's sister, baptism's for both at St Oswalds.

Grace on 27/9/1829 daughter of John & Betty - would be about the right age for the later census.
Elizabeth on 16/7/1821, daughter of John & Elizabeth.

Kev.
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Wednesday 10 October 12 18:44 BST (UK)
Hi
Thank you for that Kev, seems really strange that the marriage isn't showing up!!!
I would be very interested in the newspaper report about the partnership being dissolved, could you let me know what website it was on please.

Many thanks
Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Ibbo2000 on Wednesday 10 October 12 19:02 BST (UK)
Hi again,

It's the British libary website - 19th Century Library Newspapers. (free access from home if your a member of a library that is 'signed' up to it).

The year was a little later then I remembered, partnership between Abraham & William Moon of Guiseley, Yorkshire, cloth makers, dissolved in 1838.

The year before at the court of insolvent debtors it looks like they were being sued, if I've read it right.

Looks to have done OK in later life as there are more articles were he is mentioned as a trustee.
Also an entertaining account of a trial regarding theft of some cloth the property of Abraham Moon.

Kev.
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Wednesday 10 October 12 19:06 BST (UK)
Hi Kev
Just found a Grace Clapham in 1841 with John and Betty, she's aged 12 at Clayton Heights so that may throw a spanner in the works!!
Thanks for the info on Abraham

Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Ibbo2000 on Wednesday 10 October 12 19:35 BST (UK)
Could the Grace Clapham with Abraham in 1841 be a cousin or some other relative? familysearch have two baptisms in Guiseley for Grace Clapham:

27/9/1829 daughter of John & Betty
29/6/1828 daughter of Samuel & Ann

On the 1841 census you have for Abraham, on the next page is a Samuel Clapham with Ann & children, but no Grace under the entry for Samuel. By 1851 she looks to be back with parents.

Would be interesting to see if John & Samuel are related?

Kev.
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Calverley Lad on Wednesday 10 October 12 20:16 BST (UK)
www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Guiseley/index.html
If I have copied correctly, the above url should take you to the Guiseley bmd records.
Have a look down at the bottom of the page.
 Brian
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Thursday 11 October 12 16:51 BST (UK)
Hi Brian
Thank you for the link but I'm afraid I don't know what I should be looking at (probably another blond moment).  Could you possible give me another clue, thank you.

Many thanks
Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Calverley Lad on Thursday 11 October 12 17:42 BST (UK)
The link is for the Guiseley page on Genuki.
At the bottom of the page is the transcribed bmd records for Guiseley, Horsforth and Rawdon.
 Brian
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Thursday 11 October 12 19:11 BST (UK)
Many thanks

Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: saar3 on Thursday 07 February 13 08:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Suziq

Just noticed your posting.

Think I had some MI information for this family.

Will dig it out if you are still interested.

Mary
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Thursday 07 February 13 16:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Mary
Thank you for your reply and yes I would love to have any information that you can give me, looking forward to finding out more.
Many thanks
Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: fastfusion on Thursday 07 February 13 16:54 GMT (UK)
the marriage you seek is on the joiner index ( a pay site)

http://joinermarriageindex.co.uk/marriage-records/search/
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Thursday 07 February 13 21:20 GMT (UK)
Hi
Thank you for that link but I could only find Abraham's first 2 marriages, not the one to Grace.
Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: saar3 on Friday 08 February 13 02:52 GMT (UK)
These are MIs at Guiseley St Oswalds:

136
STTM of Elizabeth, wife of Abraham Moon of Guiseley, cloth manufacrurer WDTL Feb 27th1855 aged 38 years.  Also of the above Abraham Moon WD Aug 20th 1877 aged 70 years

137
STTM of Elizabeth daughter of Abraham and Grace Moon cloth manufacturer Guiseley WD Oct 25th 1857 aged 1 year and 10 months.
Also of George Moon, son of the above WD June 10th 1859 aged 15 months
Also Kitson Moon, son of the above WD May 21st 1860 aged 7 months
Also Jesse Moon son of the above WD Nov 5th 1863 aged 7 months
Also Ann daughter of the above WD June 24th 1864 aged 3 years and 4 months
Also of Herbert son of the above WD in his infancy
Also Grace wife of the above Abraham Moon WDTL March 1st aged 38 years.

More to come.
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: saar3 on Friday 08 February 13 05:05 GMT (UK)
Guiseley St Oswalds

323
STTM of John son of Abraham and Elizabeth Moon of Guiseley WDTL Feb 8th 1837 aged 5 months
Also of Grace, daughter of the above WDTL mar 18th 1843 aged 18 months.
Also of Martha, daughter of the above WDTL June 2nd 1847 aged 9 months
Also James, son of the above WDTL May 6th 1852 aged 3 years and 8 months.
Also of Margaret daughter of the bove WDTL May 6th 1853 aged 4 months
Also of Charles son of the above WDTL Feb 10th 1855 aged 4 years and 3 months

552
STTM of Elizabeth, daughter of Abraham and Jane Moon of Guiseley born June 18th 1863, died July 3rd 1864
Also Jesse, son of the above, born June 29th 1868 died Dec 21st 1869
Also Sam, son of the above, born Nov 14th 1864, died Dec 26th 1869
IAR of Jane wife of Abraham Moon, WDTL April 28th 1885 in the 44th year of her age.
Also of the above Abraham Moon WDTL March 18th 1891 in the 51st year of his age.
IAR of Margaret Ann daughter of the aforesaid born Sept 15th 1877, died Dec 18th 1878.

Still a few more I think
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: saar3 on Friday 08 February 13 05:11 GMT (UK)
OK This is the last one for an Abraham:

601
STTM of Susanna wife of Abraham Moon of Guiseley cloth manufacturer who died May 29th 1851 aged 26 years.

There are several more entries for other Moons. let me know if you need any of them.

I have a lot of stuff covering the Guiseley area so let me know if there's anything else I can check for you.

Mary
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Friday 08 February 13 11:25 GMT (UK)
Thank you soooo much for all the info but could you let me know what the abbreviations mean please (another blond moment).
Many thanks
Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: saar3 on Friday 08 February 13 11:38 GMT (UK)
WDTL - who departed this life
WD - who dies
STTM - sacred to the memory

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Friday 08 February 13 11:42 GMT (UK)
Thank you for that.
The marriage between Abraham and Grace is still a mystery

Thank you for all your help Mary

Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: saar3 on Friday 08 February 13 11:53 GMT (UK)
I'll see if I can find anything.
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 08 February 13 12:54 GMT (UK)
Sorry can't help with the marriage  :(

What about a birth certificate of one of Abraham & Grace’s children this would give you her maiden name as a starting point and may help find the marriage

Yorkshire BMD  http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/births.php
 (No mother's maiden name given unfortunately ???)
1859 Moon Kitson Yeadon Leeds Ref YEAD/15/453

Baptism Date:11 Dec 1859 St Oswald Guiseley
Kitson Moon born 31 Oct 1859
Father Abram Moon Mother Grace Moon

Not sure whether you have this

Abraham Moon Personal Estate under £18,000
7 March 1878 the Will of Abraham late of Guiseley Cloth Manufacturer who died 20 August 1877 at Guiseley was proved at Wakefield by Sons Abraham & Isaac Moon both of Guiseley Cloth Manufactuers James Somerville Taylor of Bradford Woolstapler & Arthur Moon of Guiseley Cloth Manufacturer the Executors.




Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: saar3 on Friday 08 February 13 13:10 GMT (UK)
I don't think it was legal to marry your deceased wife's sister until early in the 20th Century. But it certainly did happen.

The local vicar may have refused to marry them so they eloped to Gretna  - or somewhere similar.
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 08 February 13 19:25 GMT (UK)
familysearch have two baptisms in Guiseley for Grace Clapham:

27/9/1829 daughter of John & Betty
29/6/1828 daughter of Samuel & Ann


I think the Grace Clapham born c 1828 Guiseley dau of John & Betty
married Abraham PRIESTLY on 1861c living with Abraham & Grace Priestly is her father John Clapham & William Clapham son age 10

1851 HO107; Piece: 2311; Folio: 287; Page: 15
Grace Clapham with parents John & Betty plus William 4mths grandson

Grace Clapham father John occ. Comber married previously to William Brook
Grace Brook 31 widow of Clayton married 1858 St Peter Bradford (Bradford Cathedral) Abraham Priestly

So that leaves the question of Grace Clapham born c1829 Guiseley dau of Samuel & Ann
did she marry Abraham Moon or were they just living together as man & wife  ???

Interesting 1861 marriage St Oswald of Abraham Moon’s daughter Emma Moon to George Clayton Witnesses to their wedding were Abraham Moon J & Hannah CLAPHAM

Hannah Moon married Henry Foggitt in 1860 Witnesses Abraham Moon Jnr. & Rebecca Bradley

Mary Moon & brother Abraham Moon Jnr. married in 1861 on the same day

Mary’s wedding  witnesses George & Emma CLAYTON
Abraham’s wedding witnesses Henry & Hannah FOGGITT

Isaac Moon married Martha Smith 1867 Bradford witnesses Joseph & Emma Louis Copperwaite

Arthur Moon married Ada Thompson 1879 St Oswald witnesses Henry Hardwick Dawson, Isaac Moon & ? Moon

As previously said I think the only way you are going to solve the mystery of Grace's maiden name is obtaining a birth certificate of one of her & Abraham 's children





Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Friday 08 February 13 20:51 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for that information, I'm researching this family for a friend so I will have to see if she wants me to go down the route of spending money!!!!!!

Many,many thanks for all your help

Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Calverley Lad on Friday 08 February 13 21:35 GMT (UK)
You could always present your friend with the evidence of your work, suggesting that to confirm a certificate needs purchasing.
 Brian
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 09 February 13 12:30 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for that information, I'm researching this family for a friend so I will have to see if she wants me to go down the route of spending money!!!!!!


I've taken another look this morning and I can't find a marriage for Abraham Moon to a Grace  ???

These were the only other Grace Clapham marriages showing on An*y all other marriages were at St Oswald Guiseley
1814 = Samuel Waite
1818 = Joseph Fletcher
1826 = William Smith (All Saints Otley)
1827 = John Burnell
1829 = Joseph Coultas
1831 = Joseph Green (Holy Trinity Rothwell)
1841 = George Webster (St Peter Leeds)
1854 = William Brook (f. John Clapham)
1858 = Abraham Priestly (f. John '' Grace Brook widow)
1867 = Thomas Smith

For info. I have added all the details regarding the marriages I posted - no need to obtain those certificates!!

18 Aug 1860 St Oswald
Henry FOGGITT 25 Clothier f Timothy Shoemaker
Hannah MOON 27 father Abraham Manufacturer
Both of Guiseley, both single, both signed
Witnesses Abraham MOON Jnr. & Rebeca BRADLEY

17 Oct 1861 St Oswald
George CLAYTON 23 YeadonClothier father Samuel clothier
Emma MOON 23 Guiseley father Abraham Moon Manufacturer
Both single, both signed
Witnesses Abraham MOON J & Hannah CLAPHAM

23 Nov 1861 St Oswald
Abraham MOON Junior 21 Manufacturer father Abraham Manufacturer
Jane SHEPHERD 20 f James Manufacturer
Both of Guiseley, both single, both signed
Witnesses Henry & Hannah FOGGITT

23 Nov 1861 St Oswald
Robert SHACKLETON 21 Clothier f Robert Farmer
Mary MOON 20 father Abraham Manufacturer
Both of Guiseley, both single, both signed
Witnesses George & Emma CLAYTON

15 Jun 1867 St Peter Bradford (Bradford Cathedral)
Isaac MOON cloth Manuf. Guiseley father Abraham Cloth Manuf.
Martha SMITH Bradford f Joseph Mason
Both single, both full age, both signed
Married by License
Wits: Joseph & Emma Louisa COPPERWAITE

5 Feb 1979 St Oswald
Arthur Moon 22 Manuft.A?croft House Father Abraham Manuft.
Ada Thoompson 22 f James Coal Merchant
Both single, both signed
Witnesses Henry Hardwick Dawson, Isaac Moon & ? Moon

St Oswald Guiseley
Abraham MOON & Susannah WAITE both of this Parish
Married by Licence 2 Sep 1832, both made their mark (X)
In the presence of James Preston (x) & Eliza Tayler (x)

Abraham MOON & Elizabeth CLAPHAM both of this Parish
St Oswald Banns read 1835 Oct 25th, Nov 1st  Nov 8th 

possibly Abraham's brother

William MOON
& Hannah CLAPHAM (x) both of Guiseley
Married after Banns 15 May 1836 in the presence of
Abraham MOON & Robert Mitton Do?z
Banns Apr 24th, May 1st, May 8th
Banns

Don't know if there is any significance here Abraham's children seem to have been baptized in St Oswald Church http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/PhotoFrames/WRY/GuiseleyStOswald.html

but these two are in the Methodist Chapel

Charles Moon born   20 Sep 1850   Baptism   10 Nov 1850   
Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Guiseley parent   Abraham, Elizabeth

Margaret Moon born   3 Feb 1853    Baptism   23 Mar 1853   
Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Guiseley parent   Abraham, Elizabeth
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/PhotoFrames/WRY/GuiseleyMethodistGeograph_HB.html

Here are two further probate details of the Moon family (not sure about this Abraham as his wife is named Hannah (Abraham Jnr. wife was called Jane - perhaps they got the name wrong ???)

The Will with a Codicil of Abraham MOON formely of Ilkley but late of Guiseley Manufacturer who died 18 Mar 1891 at Guiseley proved at Wakefield by Hannah Moon widow the Relict Thomas Frizell Schoolmaster & Jonathan CLAPHAM Foreman of Warp Dressers the Uncle all of Guiseley the Executors Personal estate £9,809 19s. 3d.

Isaac Moon of Crooked Lands Guiseley woollen manufacturer died 16 Aug 1909 Probate 28 Oct to Elizabeth Moon spinster & John Denison merchant Effects £37216 0s. 11d.





Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: suziq on Saturday 09 February 13 12:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Ladyhawk
THANK YOU SO MUCH for all that info and for the time you have spent helping me (and my friend), it's very much appreciated.
Suziq
Title: Re: Marriage between Abraham Moon and Grace
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 09 February 13 13:24 GMT (UK)

THANK YOU SO MUCH for all that info and for the time you have spent helping me (and my friend), it's very much appreciated.


You are welcome  :)  here's a short article about Abraham Snr. No mention of his wives!

Abraham Moon – from humble beginnings to international renown
 http://www.brontebydesign.co.uk/OurHistory.aspx