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Mary Ann married twice: in 1862 to William North and in 1884 to George Treves. Both marriages show her father as Charles Bennett, a cooper.
In 1911 she is shown as Mary Ann Treves, widow aged 71 born Lambeth.
I cannot find any Mary Ann Bennetts with father Charles as a cooper born c 1840 on any census. Am I missing something?
taylor wallace
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Hi Taylor,
What address is given for Mary Ann on her marriage certificate in 1862?
JJ
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Newport Street (no number) St Mary Lambeth (for both her and William North)
tw
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1841 in Essex Street ,Southwark
Charles Bennett 25 Cooper not born in county
Mary Bennett 25 not born in county
Anna Blight 20 " "
Mary Bennett 1 born in county
Henry Wright 70 clerk born in Ireland
Isaac Wright 1 born in county
HO107/ 1088 folio 18 page 29
Possible birth ?
Births Sep 1839
Bennett Mary Ann St Saviours 4 438
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Excellent!! Thanks so much
TW
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Hi
1851 census HO107 1557 folio 368
18 Dyer Street Southwark
Mary A Bennett 32 Head Widow Charwoman St Saviour Surrey
Mary A Bennett 11 Daughter St Saviour Surrey
Sarah Bennett 9 Daughter St Saviour Surrey
Elizabeth Bennett 5 Daughter St Saviour Surrey
John Bennett 1 Son Christ Church Surrey
1st September 1839 St John the Evangelist Lambeth born 14th August
Marianne Bennett parents Charles John and Mary 125 Great Guildford Street, father's occupation labourer
Same church 2nd January 1842 born 9th December 1841
Sarah Bennett parents Charles John and Mary Essex Street, father's occupation labourer
9th November 1845 same church born 11th October
Elizabeth Bennett parents Charles John and Mary Guildford Street, father's occupation labourer
9th April 1837 St John the Evangelist Lambeth
Charles John Bennett and Mary Ann Holeyhead, bachelor and spinster of the parish
Mary Ann made her mark
Witnesses Wm H Bennett and Thomas Green
1861 census HO107 313 folio 99
20 Thurlow Street Christ Church Southwark
Mary A Bennett 44 Head Widow Charwoman Southwark Surrey
Mary A Bennett 21 Daughter Servant St Saviour Surrey
Sarah Bennett 19 Daughter Servant St Saviour Surrey
John Bennett 10 Son Errand Boy Christ Church Surrey
Regards
Valda
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I saw that earlier too Valda,but was concerned that the dad's job was a labourer.
Also that on the 1862 marriage cert a C Bennett was a witness,thought it might be dad?
But also I can't find a family that fits any better though!
Carol
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Sister Sarah Bennett marries at St John the Evangelist Lambeth on 16th July 1865.
Charles Frederick BAKER bach.full age, Smith, Ruupell ? Street father John Edward Baker timekeeper.
Sarah Bennett spinster full age,Cornwall Road father Charles John Bennett cooper.
Witnesses Charles J Bennett and Miriam Baker all signed except Sarah who made her mark X
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Hi
At this point I'm thinking son John is John Charles or Charles John?
20th September 1870 St John the Evangelist Lambeth
Charles John Bennett Full Age Bachelor Printer Broadwall Charles John Bennett Cooper
Eliza Beaumont 20 Spinster New Street James Beaumont Farmer
Both signed (though doesn't look like previous signatures for Charles John or C)
Witnesses William and Sarah Ward
1871 census RG10 423 folio 119
There is a John Bennett birth registration in the June quarter of 1851 which if he were 1 month not 1 year on the 1851 census might fit and a Charles John Bennett in the September quarter for Lambeth but it could equally be a Southwark registration.
Whether he is or is not the son of Charles John senior determines the possibilities for his death. There is a Charles Bennett death registration in Lambeth (buried St Mary Lambeth from the workhouse) that would be about the right age - 33 but the death is in 1848.
Regards
Valda
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There is a Charles Bennett death registration in Lambeth (buried St Mary Lambeth from the workhouse) that would be about the right age - 33 but the death is in 1848.
Regards
Valda
Well he was 25 (rounded down) in 1841 so that death could be correct.
But how can he have signed two of their marriage certs if he died in 1848 ;D
Or if as Valda thinks the son John were really Charles John then perhaps it is him who witnessed his siblings marriages?
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Hi
Mary Ann Bennett senior is a widow on the 1851 and 1861 censuses.
Regards
Valda
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Hi
Mary Ann Bennett senior is a widow on the 1851 and 1861 censuses.
Regards
Valda
But is he really or did he just do a bunk 8)
So as I said before the 1848 death is looking likely.
And the witness might have been the son John(Charles?)
Carol
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Hi
He could have done a bunk but women usually still gave their status as married on the census when that was the case as they still were.
The three signatures on the three marriages don't look particularly similar.
The problem with the 1848 death is the age of John on the 1851 census, and if the same child, 1861 and 1871 censuses. There doesn't appear to be a baptism for te child.
Regards
Valda
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Many thanks to all contributors on this. I suppose Charles (John) could have started off as a coopers labourer and was made to sound more qualified than he actually was on the childrens marriage certificates by promoting him to cooper. He is at least described as a cooper on the 1841 census!
All the streets and parishes involved are very close together so it would have been very easy to get to St John Lambeth from Gt Guildford Street in Southwark for baptisms at the church where the couple were married.
It is a pity that they didnt show father as deceased on the marriage certificates. I suppose if people were just asked "what did your father do?" they neednt have said that he had died!
When/where the father actually died is indeed a mystery but I feel I have enough info now to assume this is the correct family so many thanks again.
tw