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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: sarcy on Monday 08 October 12 17:52 BST (UK)
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I am trying to confirm the maiden name of Elizabeth bn 1872 in hertfordshire who married Frederick George Walker bn 1869 hertfordshire and having searched through marriage records i cant find their marriage anywhere. My grandmother believes her maiden name was Crawley, i have found the probate records which reads as follows 'Walker Elizabeth Louisa Stapleton otherwise Elizabeth Louisa of austin villas charles-stree hemel hempstead...'this also names her son so i know it is definately her.
i am slightly confused as to the Stapleton in her name, but i have looked for this as her maiden name and found nothing also, and my gran seems quite sure it was Crawley.
The only reference to any marriage i found was on familysearch, im not entirely sure where this information comes from but states that Elizabeth Louisa Crawley married Frederick George Walker on 8 mar 1891 in Apsley end, Hertford, which is about the right time as they had their first child in 1893 and the 1911 census says they had been married 20yrs.
i have managed to find an Elizabeth Crawley and most of her family, but i need to see in black and white that it was her that married Frederick before i can fill in the gaps.
i would be really greatful for any help and advice on this, im rather stumped!
many thanks
Sarah
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Do you have a copy of a childs birth cert which will give you her maiden name?
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No i dont actually, i suppose that would answer it, just the cost involved in getting the certificates puts me off a bit and ive managed to solve so much of it all using the online resources so far.
I will have to speak to my gran incase she happens to have her fathers birth certificate, although i suspect its unlikely.
I also wonder why i can find no trace of their marriage, even having searched with his name, can records be missing?
many thanks for your reply
Sarah
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Hi Sarah, I believe the reason you cannot locate a birth for Elizabeth Crawley (via your PM) is perhaps this birth:
Elizabeth Louisa Gravestock June 1871 Hemel Hempstead 3a 396
Marriage Walter Crawley to Louisa Gravestock June 1871 Hemel Hempstead 3a 549
Keyboard86
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That is really useful information, i have now found their marriage under Elizabeth Louise Gravestock and Frederick George Stapleton, this would explain the reference to stapleton in her probate record, as it was Frederick mothers maiden name and he was born 3 yrs before she married Charles Walker.
Makes me wonder if Frederick was not Charles son? what are the chances of them having a child 3 years before getting married, i did wonder if Mary Ann was infact married previously to a Stapleton but i can find no definate record of a marriage to a Stapleton and his subsequent death, so i suppose the alternative is he was illigitimate and took her name. If he was Charles son but they were not married would it be common place to have his mother name and not his fathers?
The same goes for Elizabeth really as her birth was registered as Gravestock, her mothers maiden name. Although they were married in the same month she was born, so what would be the likelyhood of her having her mothers name and not her fathers? is this normal?
thankyou in advance for any help recieved.
sarah
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Hi
(In case you haven't spotted / don't have the detail, the following maybe of use)
You mention you have 1911 [Apsley] . . . . .
William works for the paper mills
[at Apsley aka the same brand Croxley Script/Bond]
Elizabeth's sister Emily Kate Crawley married William Baldwin
[HemelHempstead 1896 Sep 3a 1074]
Hilda/Wm born "Kentish Town"
[FW/EW moved St Pancras upon getting married]
Open Question?
FW is a "Foundry" worker in these returns, did Apsley/Croxley mills need a foundry?
Ray
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Frederick George Stapleton 1868 Sep HemelH 3a 385
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thankyou for the information, i have found his birth in 1868, what i am trying to establish now is who his father was. As far as we were aware Charles Walker was his father, but it would appear that he did not marry Mary Ann Stapleton untill 3 yrs after Frederick was born.
Sarah
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Hi
Let's take a step back?
You originally said "he" was born 1869, you now say you found his birth in 1868?
Would you confirm what you now have/accept?
"It would appear" the marriage took place 3 years later?
Would you confirm the detail (reference)?
Take care, there are a number of simlarly-named Crawley familes around that part of Herts.
Which line does your grandmother follow? From Hilda or William?
Cheers
Ray
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Good Morning,
Ok i had c1869 on my family tree at the start but since looking more in depth the only birth i can find is for Frederick George Stapleton in 1868, the one you refer to. I can find no birth for Frederick George Walker (the name he appears to use later) around that time atall.
The marriage i refer to is of Frederick George Stapleton and Elizabeth L Gravestock in jan qtr 1891 Hemel Hempstead,
The information i received from my nan was that he was Frederick George Walker and she was Elizabeth Louisa Crawley. I can find no marriage record for any combination of these names and so i am fairly certain this is them married using their 'mothers' names, for what reason i cannot be sure.
I did find a probate record for Elizabeth Louise Stapleton Walker when she died in 1942 which giving the Stapleton name gives me great certainty that these are the right people.
William (Walter Charles) Walker was my nans father. The names Walter Charles would be significant aswell i believe, Charles being Fred's father and Walter, Elizabeths.
When i refer to Charles as his father, this is where my incertainty is. because although he knew him as his father the date of their marriage being 3 yrs later and the name of his birth being his mothers, i wonder why?
Thanks
Sarah
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Hi Sarah
You've just said . . . . .
"The marriage i refer to is of Frederick George Stapleton and Elizabeth L Gravestock in jan qtr 1891 Hemel Hempstead, "
You had said previously . . . . .
"That is really useful information, i have now found their marriage under Elizabeth Louise Gravestock and Frederick George Stapleton, this would explain the reference to stapleton in her probate record, as it was Frederick mothers maiden name and he was born 3 yrs before she married Charles Walker."
I am asking for the refs to the highlighted part?
Thanks
Ray
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Frederick George Stapleton 1868 Sep HemelH 3a 385
Charles Walker and mary ann stapelton oct 1871 hemel 3a 613
I hope this is what you refer to?
sorry for the confusion, so many different dates and names i keep going over the same thing!
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Hi Sarah
"Stapelton" was my problem, Thanks
Ray