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Hi
can anyone tell me where Tole is in Yorkshire?
silky
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Hi,
I haven't heard of a place called Tole in Yorkshire.
Perhaps if you gave us some information as to where you found this name it might help to find the location for you.
Ian
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Hi
someone on rootsweb had samuel Marshall born in Tole Yorkshire I couldnt find it on net .
silky
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There is a place called Tolesby in North Yorkshire.
Brian
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If you are looking for Samuel Marshall could you give us some more details about him i.e. dates, wife's name or other members of the family.
Ian
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Hi
There is another similar thread from silky on which I have a theory
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=621092.msg4695513#msg4695513
evie
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Looks like agood bit of work there evie.
Ian
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Looks like agood bit of work there evie.
Ian
Thank you Ian :)
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Hi ian and Evie
I am looking for the birth on William Marshall who is on census 1851 with wife Ann and children Idle but I cannot find his birth or baptism I havent seen the ancestry tree but that line does not know of William who is Samuels brother I think.I have been told that someone has a document that has Samuel born in Tole .Ann and William were married in 1839 Idle.
silky
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The marriage of William Marshall to Ann, could that be Ann Tillotson?
The above marriage was 15th July 1838 at Calverley Parish Church.
www.calverleyinfo.com
There were a number of Marshall weddings carried out over the period June 1838 - July 1840.
Brian
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Hi
The family tree I was on about does have William and the same marriage as you found Brian. William emigrated to Australia. Is that correct silky?
As for Samuel there are a few trees which say Tole but none of them have his mother's name on their tree, so they must not have seen his baptism. I still believe it is a mistake, but more than happy to be proved wrong.
If I were you silky I would lock your other topic as it will get confusing having two threads going ;)
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If it's any consolation, I have checked all of the baptism's at Idle, including non conformists, and could not find any trace of the 1803 birth.
Although didn't it say 'Bradford for birth reg', Idle being about 3 miles from centre of Bradford.
Brian
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Hi Evie
Just checked on an image of the Marshall's baptism record at St Peter's Badford.
All show Idle, not Tole.
Brian
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Hi Evie
Just checked on an image of the Marshall's baptism record at St Peter's Badford.
All show Idle, not Tole.
Brian
Thanks Brian for a second opinion. :)
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Thanks guys but confused
It seems they were all baptised on same day if Samuel was born 1803 he would be 14yrs.Could they have been born somewhere else?Does it have births dates for others and if so are they close to 1803?Trying to fathom where the person got the one birth date of William .I am finding a lot of different information is coming about Samuel.
silky.
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Hi calverley lad
does the parish register actually say born Idle or abode Idle just trying to get it through
my head.Others have said born elsewhere very confused......If you have sighted the register I will take your word other than all the information given to me by different descendants.Thanks lad....... Silky
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to Evie
thank you for your great PM will treasure that info.
Yes William married Ann Tillotson born Clayton about 1820.
silky
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Hi, first time on this - read your comments last week and have joined up today.
I was thinking this Tole thing through and figured out last night that it was most likely a misinterpretation of Idle. And then today here it was confirmed. quite chuffed.
But anyway , we are descended through Samuel and his son George. Can't tell you how many Marshalls are out there communicating and working on this stuff.
I have only started in the last couple of weeks (didn't know about Samuel at all til then) There are quite a lot of interesting articles on www.trove.nla.gov. au about their time in Adelaide and also some on William in Sydney. Samuel was an organ and piano manufacturer and had a music shop in Adelaide. Samuel and also son George also worked on the manufacture of the Ridley Wheat Stripper in South Australia. But you may know about that.
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I have e mailed you a copy of the info silky.
The entries for all says 'abode Idle', birth dates given for all in the margin.
Brian
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Hi Silky
One cannot be certain that they were actually born in Idle, but William and Dinah did have a son James baptised actually at Idle on the 20 Aug 1797, at the Upper Chapel Independent, Idle, born 8 May 1798 - info from family search.
As their abode is still Idle in 1817 one can only presume they lived there for the duration during the births of their other children.
evie
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Welcome Mabago to Roots :)
Can I ask how you came by the birth place as Tole for Samuel? Was it from his death certificate? If so is it possible to post the image of the word so we can have a look please?
evie
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Hi Evie, thanks for your welcome. The only place that I had seen the name 'Tole' was on ancestry.com and I had been trying to figure it out when I found that there was not a town or village called 'Tole' only Tollesby that was quite a long way from Halifax. So I figured that there was more than likely a misunderstanding of another town name.
I don't know who would have original posted the name 'Tole' to Samuel Marshall on ancestry. it's still all a bit new to me. hope that helps Many thanks for all the interesting info. Viv
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You are welcome Viv.
I have sent a message to the person I believe to have originally submitted the data. Fingers crossed.
evie
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Hi Evie and mabago
thank you for everything
silky
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Can we assume that William and Dinah lived elsewhere in the early days of marriage?
(Thinking that Dinah went with William to where the work was, not uncommon)
So being a ? They moved around the area.
(Some Idle records before 1837 shown as Calverley Church.)
Marriage confirmed as 13th March 1796 at Calverley between William Marshall and Dinah Tidswell.
James Marshall born 8th May 1797, baptised 20th Aug 1797 Idle Upper Chapel parents William and Dinah.
Brian
What we need is some lateral thinking on this :) :)
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The problem with me is I don't know the area in as much detail as you Brian so am relying on your geographical knowledge :)
From that wonderful website you showed us, daughters Hannah, Mary and wife Dinah were buried at the Idle Particular Baptist Chapel. Hannah (1819) and Mary (1821) abode Idle, Dinah (1836) Idle Green.
I have also just come across this, looking for a baptism for Dinah, John Tidswell son of Dinah Tidswell, Idle 19 Jul 1795 Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral). The same Dinah, possible, maybe?
So maybe as you say Brian, William was at Calverley
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The John son of Dinah Tidswell was a birth to a single mother. - 9th July 1795
Another base born to a Hannah Tidswell (also of Idle) daughter name ? 14th July 1795
Brian
(Copy of entry available if required)
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Thank you all so much for all the help.
I have now been back on ancestry and one distant rel has placed some info & certifications there and now I can see that Samuel's father William was a miner.
What I was wondering is - how a boy from a poor family could end up becoming involved with the music scene in the early 1820's. Would he have been educated at a normal school or out of hours at a sunday school. Maybe he may have been employed in one of the mills during the day. I am wondering if somehow he could have become a apprentice for an organ making/repairs company or church. Whether he had to be baptised to be able to do this and so the whole family was done at the same time. just all wondering???!!! thanks again.
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hi mabago
another thought is neither William or Samuel seem as though they worked in mines as children which miner children did .William also with a music background otherwise he would not have been a tuner it is a profession mainly by ear, he also was a musician on one certificate
Most certain a music background both boys .Maybe Dinah was the musician.
Where were the mines in Bradford ? or near early 1800's ?
Could William senior been in another district for the mines? He was a Labourer on William juniors marriage 1837 So maybe he had finished with the mines by then.
Both boys wrote very well so they were educated .Strange for poor miners.
Could Dinah be from a well to do family?
silky
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thinking, thinking,
Can you tell from any of your certificates if Dinah was educated - eg her signature etc that could indicate her ?status.
I think that there may have been some small coal mines near the Idle area. So William snr was a labourer about the similiar time when Samuel was going off to Australia with his family. all interesting thanks so all your input - wonder if we will ever know.....
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Hi Mabago
no Dinah wasnt educated just looked at marriage signed with an X so was Williams
I cannot fathom the Business like people from down the line in my Marshall Line and yours.Didnt have labourers at all.Although in saying that George my great uncle was a fireman..His father a business man.and his grandfather so a mystery.
Silky
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Hello All
Don't know if this helps? My family came from Sheffield West Riding Ecclesall.
Samuel Marshall B 1845 - D 1871
William Henry Marshall B 1870 D
Frank Earle Marshall B 1901 D
Frank Earle Marshall B 1929 D
Paul Earle Marshall B 1957 Sleaford Lincolnshire. Still Kicking :)
If you think any of these are who you are looking for I will get some exact dates.
Regards Paul