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My great great grandfather was George Haskett from Ballina, Co. Tipperary. His death certificate has 25 Aug 1882 as the date of his death, and he was 55 when he died, so he was born in or around 1827. He married Anne Ryan in Ballina on 12 Feb 1861. They had a number of children, including David, Martin, James Patrick("George"), and a daughter that died at 11 months old. On his marriage record from Roots Ireland, his parents are not recorded. Nor are Anne's. I have been told that his parents were David Haskett and Mary Finucane, but I have no records to state this officially. Does anyone know how I could find out this information, and also who Anne's parents were? Her side of the family remains a mystery to me. Thanks
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If your Haskett family were RC and George was baptised in the area around 1827, then he was a little too early for parish records. These go back to 1832 for this parish.
see the sources list on RootsIreland
Shane
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Thanks Shane, that's unfortunate. I'm hoping that the marriage certificate holds more information on the parents names than the roots ireland record.
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If the marriage was RC then there will be no marriage cert - just the parish record you're seen the transcript of.
Civil marriage certs, where available for RC marriages - i.e. from 1864, show father's name and occupation only. Mother's names are not included.
Shane
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They had a number of children, including David, Martin, James Patrick("George"), and a daughter that died at 11 months old.
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did any of the children's baptisms mention a location ?
e.g. the name of a townland...
Shane
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Here's what I have on his son David Haskett (my great grandfather)
Thanks
Name David Haskett
Date of Birth : 27 August 1876
District : Portroe
Address : Ballina
Parents : George Haskett & Anne Ryan
Father's Occupation : Labourer
Informant George Haskett. (his mark)
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That appears to be a transcript of a civil record - i.e. birth cert. The address indicates the residence was somewhere in the town. Specific addresses in towns (i.e. numbers) were not used at the time..
I dont see any reference to George on Griffith's in the town, but the family may have lived in some sort of rental accommodation and not listed. If they lived in a rural area you could have tried the earlier Tithe records for a possible listing of his father - but the Tithes didn't cover town and cities.
Shane
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George's purported father David Haskett is in Griffiths in Toutinna in 1848 & 1850.
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George's purported father David Haskett is in Griffiths in Toutinna in 1848 & 1850.
I presume that's the townland of Tountinna - it's shown as 'Fountinna' on the Griffith's return for some reason... but shown correctly in the townland Index and OSI maps.
It's a townland of about 367 acres and also in the civil parish of Templeachally, the same parish as the town of Ballina. It's located about 6km (~4 miles) north east of Ballina town.
Shane
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Thanks for that Shane. All of those details match up with what I have.
George's Civil Death record contains the following:
Name: George Haskett
Age: 55
Address: Cullina
Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer
Date of Death: 25 Aug 1882
Parish/District: Portroe
County: Tipperary
Denomination: Civil Record
Sex: Male
Informant (Relationship): Wife
Informant (Name) Anne Haskett
Informant (Address) Cullina
I have no idea where George is buried though, the record does not state the graveyard. Do you know of any likely graveyards in the area that would have been in use during that time period? I believe Anne also died in 1913. Her place of burial is unknown too.
Thanks,
David
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I'm not familiar with any graveyards in that area - but one place to start a search would be the OSI maps.
see : RC Chapel, Ballina Co. Tipperary (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,570649,673040,7,9) (c1890)
There does seem to be a graveyard adjacent to the church, but there could have been another outside the town. Ballina RC historic parish records dont include details of death/burials.
I think the placename recorded in that civil death cert is likely the townland of Cullenagh, which in the same civil parish as Tountinna and Ballina town.
Shane
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That is certainly a possibility, thanks Shane.
Another might be templekelly (templehollow) graveyard a little further down the road in the Limerick direction). Now that I've identified 2 possible sites, I think I need to plan a road trip!
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Hello, i am researching Margaret Haskett who is my great grandnother who was baptised in 1956 in the parish district Ballina in C. Tipperary. She also had an older brother William baptised 1846 in Tountinna. I am wondering if there is any connection between george and my family. margarets father was DAvid haskett bd 1801. The family immigrated to ontario, canada sometime in the 1860's.
Margaret had a number of siblings. William, johanna, james, Henry and Richard. It appears that my great great grandmothers name would have been judy Commons.
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Hi Margaret,
It looks very possible that we're related. What's the line from Margaret down to you? Just so I can compare it with my records? Did she marry Charles Wright?
Thanks,
David
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Hi Sorry I didnt even give you my name. It is Wendy Wright. Yes Margaret married Charles Wright in Ontario, they moved to Chicago and then at some point ended up in Kuskanook, BC. My grandfather is Horace Melville Wright, their son. How do we fit in together?
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Margaret's father, Big Davey Haskett, is my great great great grandfather. I have written a document about the Hasketts - if you send me a private message with your email address, I can send it to you. It's quite big though. I'm always looking to add to it, so if you wish, I could include your side of the family? Are you on facebook? There is a Haskett family group on there and on Geni.com too. Let me know if you would like me to add you.
Good to hear from you again.
Thanks,
David
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Well I have to tell you. this is very exciting as i have only just started digging into my roots and here you are!! my email is wwbbooks@gmail.com. David was my great great grandfather so it will be very interesting to see how it all fits. I am not on facebook nor geni.com but maybe i just might have to take the plunge. I live in British columbia in canada. Where are you? And are you in contact with descendants in Ireland.?
I have it that David was born in county Clare. Is that what you have? many years ago I traveled through that county on my way to the Burren. Who knew!
Thanks David. I really appreciate this and am thrilled with your response. Margaret and Charles are buried in Chicago and I am going to visit their grave this april.
I am totally seeing how addictive this can be.
Thanks Wendy
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Hi Wendy,
I'm part of the Haskett family that stayed in Ireland, currently living in County Cork. All of his sons and daughters emigrated, but one of his sons, George, stayed behind. It's all in the document - I'll email it to you now. Hope you enjoy it! I have linked with a lot of Haskett descendants in the US and Canada also and I am in contact with them on Geni and Facebook.
David was born in County Clare, which is where my father is from. There are still Hasketts living in Killaloe which is where David married his first wife.
I would love to get a picture of Margaret and Charles's grave if you wouldn't mind? Also, maybe some photos of your Dad and any of his siblings? Did your Dad serve in WW2?
Thanks,
David
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Well this is amazing!! You have done an inordinate amount of work! Thank you so much. I can send you some things. Unfortunately I have more on Charles but a few things that relate to margaret and i will send you those. My grandfather, Horace Melville Wright served in the first world war and I have his war records. Is that useful? I think my father was in world war 1 in the naval division but have little info re that.
Horace Melville married an English woman, Teresa Gay during world war 1 in England.They had four children one of which was my father Timothy Wright. Horace and Teresa divorced and it appears that the four children were dispersed out. Timothy went to an orphanage. Life was not easy for him.
Are there any Hasketts in BC? Sounds like there may be a lot over towards Ontario?
I do actually have an account set up on facebook but have never really used it. How would I friend you? I am just not very good at that.
I have visited Cork on two occasions. I have always felt an affinity to ireland though I can only boast that I am only a quarter! I have a plan over the next few years to cycle parts of Ireland.
I will try to access more info on Margaret. She and Charles had a number of children who died in infancy and they are also buried in Chicago. At Rose Hill cemetery.
So what does that make us? cousins of a sort many many times removed?
Everybody seemed to have a lot children throughout the lineage that you have compiled. so many connections.Big Davey sounds extremely interesting!
Thanks so much for the fascinating reading David!
Wendy
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sorry one more question. Is there hasketts in chicago? if so wondering if i should connect with them later this month when we visit.
Thanks Wendy
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Hi David. You seem to be very well studied in the Haskett family history! I believe we are "related" by marriage.
This is my family's story: My father is John (Sean) Patrick Hogan, born in Borrisokane on May 18, 1927. His parents were Christopher Hogan and Hanna (nee) Moloney. Hanna was the daughter of Thomas Moloney of Killaloe. She had 2 sisters, Bridget and Mary Anne and one brother, John. According to my father, both of Hanna’s sisters married Hasketts.
Hanna’s passport lists a DOB of 29 Dec 1888.
The 1901 Ireland census shows a 12 year old Hanna Moloney living at house 2 in Thomas Street (Killaloe, Clare) with her father Thomas, aged 50 and brother John aged 14.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Killaloe/Thomas_Street/1084591/
The1911 Ireland Census shows a 20 year old Hanna Maloney (surname spelled Maloney in 1911 census, and Moloney in the the 1901 Census) living at house 19 in Main Street (Killaloe, Clare) with her father Thomas, aged 66 and her brother John aged 23.
Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958 lists Christopher Hogan and Hanna Moloney in Jul-Aug-Sep 1922 in the Registration district of Scarriff. According to my father, Hanna was given a dowry of 100 guineas from her father.
Hanna and Christopher Hogan married and immigrated to the U.S.
They are listed as passengers on the Cedric, a White Star Line vessel, departing Liverpool for New York on February 24, 1923. They arrived at Ellis Island on March 6, 1923. The passenger list of the Cedric lists the nearest relative in the U.K. as Mr Michael Hogan, Fimoe Road, Borrisokane, County Tipperary, Ireland. Their U.S. destination is listed as San Francisco. My Dad’s recollection is that they planned to stay with cousins in San Francisco by the name of Troy, on San Bruno Avenue….but I am not sure if this is accurate information.
Christopher’s age is listed on the passenger list of the Cedric as 24 in 1923, a DOB of 1899. Their last address in the U.K. listed on the passenger records is: Fimoe Road, Borrisokane, County Tipperary.
On June 8, 1924, Christopher and Hanna Hogan and infant Michael Joseph Hogan are listed as passengers arriving in Liverpool from New York on the Baltic. Their names are listed under the heading of “Deportees”. Their proposed address in the U.K. is listed as Limerick, no address.
According to my father, Hanna and Christopher returned to Borrisokane, County Tipperary to live. Subsequently, my uncle, Thomas Flannan Hogan (DOB 1926) and my father, Sean Patrick (DOB 18 May 1927) were born in Borrisokane. At some point, I don’t know when, Hanna and her three sons boarded a bus and left Borrisokane for Killaloe, the town where Hanna was born. They found a place to live on Carrig’s Lane (Carrick’s Lane) in Killaloe. Hanna found work cleaning and doing laundry. Christopher rejoined the family later. My father recalls it as a difficult time, as money and food were scarce.
My father recalls life improving drastically when “Cousin Flan Haskett” gave Hanna a cottage in Cullina in Ballina, County Tipperary….across the river from Killaloe. I believe “cousin Flan” is George Haskett, the oldest son of David Haskett (1876-1941) who married Hanna’s older sister Mary Anne Maloney.
According to my father, Hanna thought the world of Flan!
My father left Ireland in 1946 when he enlisted with the Royal Air Force.
His father, Christopher Hogan, died suddenly while Dad was still in training in England. (1947?)
I am only at the beginning of my research into my family's history. Are you able to confirm that we are indeed related by marriage?
I look forward to your reply.
Shelagh "mrspryz"
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Hi Shelagh,
Great to hear from you - we most certainly are related!
Here's how:
Your line: Thomas Moloney -> Hanna Moloney -> Sean Hogan -> Shelagh Hogan
My line: Thomas Moloney -> Mary Anne Moloney -> George Haskett -> Cecil Haskett -> David Haskett
Here's my notes on Hanna:
1. The cottage in Ballina
About 7 months after they (George Flannan Haskett and Delia Galvin - my grandparents) first met in Clonlara they were married on February 8th 1943. At the time of their wedding houses were very scarce and in spite of the growing population, no houses or apartments were being built. Accommodation was extremely scarce and George was continuously asking everyone he met whether they knew of any houses that were available for rent.
He eventually found out that there was one flat available in Mallow Street, a cottage in Ballina (Cullinagh) and one house in Parteen, which was soon to be vacated by a Garda. He subsequently went to visit Jack Brown, a publican and the owner of the house in Parteen. George, who was notoriously poor in his timekeeping, subsequently called to the pub, but as it was almost midnight on the night in question Jack was in bed. George kept knocking until Jack put his head out the window. Jack asked what he wanted and George said he had heard there was a house becoming available for rent. Jack asked “who are you” and when George gave his name Jack asked him was he any relation of David Haskett.
George said he was David Haskett’s son. Jack said he knew David Haskett and said “come back tomorrow night”. He subsequently got the house in Parteen. In the meantime the cottage in Cullinagh, Ballina became available and having lived in Bridge Street after their short honeymoon in Cork, George and Delia then moved into the Clare County Council owner cottage in Cullinagh (which was only available for newly married couples. They intended moving to Parteen quite shortly after that but as they qualified for the house in Ballina they moved their first so that they would not only get that cottage but when they moved out soon after, they could allow Georges aunt Hannagh Moloney to remain on in the cottage.
2. Crag Hill
Georges Grandmother Margaret Moloney (nee Farrell) who was married to Thomas Moloney, had two brothers, both bachelors, who left about 5 acres to George, his brother Tom his sister Peg and their Aunt Hannagh. The land was located on a beautiful hill known locally as Crag Hill, overlooking Lough Derg. The area now forms part of the University of Limerick Activity Centre. The address was Craglea, about 5 kilometres north of Killaloe on a beautiful road running north from Killaloe towards Mountshannon. George bought out that land from the others and planned to build a house there. He, Delia and many of their children and sons in law did tremendous work in clearing the land of bushes and particularly fern.
Having worked very hard on this task for 3 years but he was refused a number of planning applications. Retaining the land for his own use was not really an option after that as he did not own a car. Finally in disappointment and sadness he sold the land.
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Some background on Bridget Moloney and Patrick Haskett (Part 1):
Patrick Haskett was born in Ballina, Co. Tipperary, on 22 Feb 1866. He immigrated to the US in 1893, aged 27.
Bridget Moloney (from Killaloe) followed in 1896 aboard the “Umbria”. According to Ellis Island ship manifests, she sailed from Queenstown (Cobh) to New York, arriving August 15th 1896. She is listed as being 22, a native of Ireland, and her occupation is “Servant”. She had a single piece of baggage. As a single woman, her compartment on board the ship was on the Starboard side, while single men were on the Port side. Her intended destination appears to have been “Tuxedo Park”.
Tuxedo park is a village in Orange County, New York. It was a particularly affluent area; in fact, the evening dress for men now popularly known as a tuxedo, takes its name from Tuxedo Park, where it was said to have been worn for the first time in the United States. Seeing as she was listed as a Servant and the address is stated means that she was probably going to a specific job with a specific family in Tuxedo Park. This would have been arranged prior to leaving Ireland.
Both Patrick and Bridget appear in the 1900 US Census, living at 24 Gilbert Street, San Francisco. The census was carried out on the 5th & 6th of June, 1900. It records that Patrick immigrated in 1893 and Bridget immigrated in 1896. They were married in 1897. Bridget was born in August 1869. He was 33, she was 25. They had 2 children - neither had survived. They were also renting their home. They could read, write, and speak English. Patrick's occupation looks to be “Watchman”. In 1899 and 1900, Patrick was listed as a section hand, living at 24 Gilbert Street. A section hand was a laborer assigned to a section gang. In 1901, Patrick and Bridget purchased premises on the east line of Kansas Street, San Francisco, for the sum of $350. In 1903, they contracted William H. Bocard (Builder) and M. J. Welsh (Architect) to carry out building works on the property, for the sum of $1600. The property is described as a one-storey and rough basement frame building. In the 1907, and also the 1908 San Francisco City Directory Grocer Listing, Patrick Haskett is listed at 647 Kansas, so it looks like this was a commercial premises, and he was a Grocer. This location was 1.3 miles away from their house on Gilbert Street.
Patrick and Bridget both survived the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. On April 16th 1906, a 7.9 magnitude earthquake struck the city, causing widespread devastating fires to break out, which lasted for several days. As a result of the quake and fires, about 3,000 people died and over 80% of San Francisco was destroyed.
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Part 2
Patrick was a member of the Western Addition Camp of the “Woodmen of the World”, a fraternal organisation that operated a large privately held insurance company for its members. It was confined to white males, between the ages of 21 and 44 inclusive. In 1906, Woodmen responded to the San Francisco earthquake by establishing relief camps for victims, providing food and shelter. The W.O.W would provide the widow of a deceased client $100 and a free gravestone if the logo of the organisation could be put on the stone. The "Woodmen of the World" logo, traditionally W.O.W. had four objects: the Maul, Axe, Wedge and Dove. The W.O.W. motto was "Dum Tacet Clamat" - Latin meaning "though silent, he speaks".
Patrick died 3rd August 1908. He was 42 years old. On his funeral record, he is listed as being a Merchant. Also he had a son Joseph (born 12 July 1902), and 2 deceased sons, George & Michael – these look like the 2 children from the 1900 Census. His and Bridget’s address was the Corner of 34th Avenue and Judah Street South (then called J street), not far from Golden Gate Park. Cause of death was “Tabes Dorsalis”, which is a degenerative disease caused by untreated syphilis. Patrick was buried in Holy Cross Cemetery, Colma, California. (Section T, Row 9, Area 18, Grave 8). Notable figures buried at Holy Cross are Bank of America Founder A.P. Giannini and baseball legend Joe DiMaggio.
After Patrick’s death, Bridget went by the name Jennie B. Haskett. In the Crocker-Langley San Francisco Directory of 1910, she is listed as a grocer at 34th Av South and J. She appears in the 1910 US Census, living with her son Joseph Patrick Haskett, aged 6. Also at her home on the night of the census was William Hardell, aged 21, and from California and Martin Troy aged 35, originally from Ireland. In the Crocker-Langley San Francisco Directory 1911, Jennie is listed as grocer at the corner of Jamestown Ave and Jennings. From 1914 to 1919, her commercial address was 3229 Jennings Street. In the 1920 Census, she is listed as 40 years of age, and Joseph is 17. Again, William Hardell appears at the address on the night of the census, which suggests that he was a permanent resident.
The records for San Francisco Assembly District 22 in 1920 show that Joseph was a Ship-Fitter in a Shipyard, and William Hoddell was a Roomer.
Jennie (Bridget) Haskett died at 3.30am on 8th Feb 1924, aged 48 years. Cause of death was Cerebral Hemorrhage, which appears to have been brought in by 4 years of Chronic Interstitial Nephritis (Inflammation of the kidneys). Her funeral service was held at All Hallows Church and she was buried with her husband in Holy Cross Cemetery, Colma. On her Funeral record, her spouse is listed as Patrick Haskett and her father as Thomas Moloney.
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The following is a transcript of a letter from Mary Ann’s sister, Maggie (probably Bridget), to Mary Ann in 1945:
3107 San Bruno Ave.,
San Francisco,
California,
USA,
July 10 1945
Dear Sister Mary Ann,
Just a few lines in answer to your ever welcome letter which I received a few days ago. I was glad to hear you and your family are in good health, as [dependence?] of this leaves me at present "Thank God".
It seemed like a dream to see your picture again after all the years that have gone by since we were young girls. The years have changed you MaryAnn, just as they have changed me. You have a wonderful family "God Bless Them".
I was surprised to hear Flan is married and has a family of his own. His wife and baby are pretty, aren't they?
I don't think you made a mistake when you said Tom looks like the Moloney's. I think I could see my father in him. He is a tall boy isn't he? That is a nice picture of Peg. She must be a great comfort to you. She has grown up to be such a fine girl. I was glad to hear her work doesn't take her away from home.
Mary Anne - Mannie’s married name is Mary Anne Love. Don't forget you promised to write to her - she says she is waiting to hear from you. You asked for a clearer picture of me. When Mannie gets her vacation, I will have one taken; she works in St. Josephs Hospital.
I'll close now Mary Ann, with love to you, Peg and the boys,
Your loving sister,
Maggie.
P.S. Please write again soon
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Based on the data in the letter, the following information was uncovered:
From the California Death Index:
Mary Anne Love
Born 9 May 1903, New Jersey
Died 5 June 1993, San Mateo (County?) (California)
Mother's Maiden Name: Maloney
Father's Surname: Troy
From the 1910 US Census, Brooklyn, Kings County, New York
Martin J Troy 40 born Ireland
Margaret Troy 33 born Ireland
Mary Troy 7 born New Jersey.
According to the census they had 5 children but only 1 was still living.
From the 1930 San Francisco Census
Martin J Troy, age 55, head, divorced, immigrated 1892, born Ireland as were parents
Harry Love, age 27, son-in-law, born Oregon, parents born England
Mary Love, age 26, daughter, born New Jersey, parents born Ireland
From the 1930 San Francisco Directory
Love, Harry (Mary) storekeeper at Pacific Electric Manufacturing Corporation h3234 Jennings.
From the 1944 San Francisco Directory
Margaret L Brady (wid D A) 3107 San Bruno Av. Could this be Maggie?
She may have remarried and her husband's name may have been David Andrew Brady
From the 1945 San Francisco Directory
3107 San Bruno Av - Mrs. Mary A Love (this matches up with the address on the letter)
From the 1945 Letter
Mary Ann Love was working at St. Josephs Hospital, San Francisco and Maggie was still alive.
From Irish Death records (1947)
In 1947, Mary Ann Haskett (nee Moloney) died. This Mary Ann was the recipient of the letter.
From Marriage Records 1897
6th Oct 1897 Fall River, Massachusetts
Groom. Martin J Troy, 26 born Ireland, father Matthew, mother Margaret Gleeson
Bride. Margaret T Maloney, 23 born Ireland, father Thomas, mother Margaret Costello
(This information does not quite match up with what we already know – Tom Moloney was married to Margaret Farrell)
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Another reference to Hanna here:
David Haskett (1876 - 1941)
David Haskett was born in Ballina, Co. Tipperary on August 27th 1876. Pat & Mary Walsh were sponsors at his baptism. When he was 6, his father George passed away. He married Mary Anne Moloney, daughter of Tom Moloney & Margaret Farrell of Bridge Street, Killaloe. David was a driver, and regularly made deliveries to local businesses. He would also transport the local gentry between Killaloe & Dromoland by horse and carriage. He had two horses; one stabled in Killaloe, at his sister in law Hannah's property in Ballina, the other in Dromoland. He was kept very busy and he used to come to Bridge street after work for meals and stayed with his mother in Cullinagh at night. Mary Anne lived in Cullinagh with her mother in law, Ann Haskett and David for a very short time after they were first married, then she returned to Bridge Street.
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This is interesting:
Looks like Mary Anne and her mother Margaret were living together in Bridge Street in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Killaloe/Bridge_Street/1084398/
and Hanna was living with her father Thomas and her brother John in Thomas Street in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Killaloe/Thomas_Street/1084591/
Both streets are very close to each other - were Margaret and Thomas separated?
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Hi David
Thank you so much for your replies regarding the Moloney/Haskett connection. My father, Sean (John) Hogan has never mentioned anything about his mother Hanna receiving an inheritance from her Margaret Moloney’s (nee Farrell) bachelor brothers. I wonder if he didn’t know about it. Dad does however recall living at the “cottage” in Cullinagh but he is not clear on how long he lived there. He left Ireland to join the Air Force in 1946.
When I was a child, our family took a trip from Ontario Canada, back to Ireland to visit Hanna….I believe it was in 1962…in the old home movies we have of that trip my sister Kathleen is a toddler and she was born in May 1961. We stayed with Hanna at the cottage in Cullinagh. Dad talks about fishing with “Flan” on that trip.
I am curious about the mystery letter from San Francisco. It was written in 1945, so it couldn’t be from Bridget Haskett(nee Moloney) could it, as she passed away in 1924. This is a quote from Re: George Haskett of Ballina (1827 - 1882) “Jennie (Bridget) Haskett died at 3.30am on 8th Feb 1924, aged 48 years. Cause of death was Cerebral Hemorrhage, which appears to have been brought in by 4 years of Chronic Interstitial Nephritis (Inflammation of the kidneys). Her funeral service was held at All Hallows Church and she was buried with her husband in Holy Cross Cemetery, Colma. On her Funeral record, her spouse is listed as Patrick Haskett and her father as Thomas Moloney.”
Shelagh