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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: MCKIN on Wednesday 03 October 12 02:37 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help? I am looking for siblings and ancestors of Henry Roberts b. 1851 Cornwall. d, 9.7.1926 N.Z.
When he emmigrated to N.Z. in 1872 it states he was a blacksmith, when he died he was a hairdresser.
On his death cert it says parents are Henry Roberts and Mary Hall, that his father was a farm labourer.
His mother Mary died in St Dennis on 24.11.1883 age 71. His father Henry died abt 1886 in St Dennis.
I cannot find a Hall but a Mary Hore is matching in with dates.
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From 1871 census:
Reference RG10, Piece 2267, Folio 44, Page 17
St Lawrence, St Dennis, Cornwall
Roberts, Henry Head M 55 b Clay Labourer b St Dennis
Roberts, Mary Wife F 57 b Roche
Roberts, Richard Son M 22 Clay Labourer b St Columb
Roberts, Henry Son M 20 Blacksmith b St Columb
Roberts, John Son M 17 Clay Labourer b St Columb
That would China Clay works!
Cornwall-OPC-database (.org) shows these baptisms:
All at St Columb Major; All to parents Henry & Mary Roberts
26th January 1845 William residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer born 29th December 1844
15th August 1847 Elizabeth Ann residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer born July 1847
25th December 1849 Henry residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer born 1st December 1849
1st June 1851 Edward residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Streamer born 9th April 1851
15th September 1853 Mary residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Streamer born 27th August 1853
29th September 1864 Elizabeth residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Tin Streamer born 21st August 1864
Probable marriage?
21st May 1842 at St Columb Major
Henry Roberts, age 29, residing Quoit, Bachelor, Streamer
Mary Kessell, age 22, residing Nine Maidens, Spinster
N.B. I can't find any marriage of Roberts to Hall?
See reply #5!
His father: William, miner
Her father: William, labourer
Witnesses: Edward Kessell, Ann Kessell
Burials:
26th November 1883, St Dennis, Mary Roberts age 71
28th October 1886, St Dennis, Henry Roberts age 66 :-\
This is more likely:
7th November 1888, Calstock, Henry Roberts age 72 Union Workhouse
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1851 census:
Reference HO107, 1905, 296, 10
Quoit, St Columb Major
Roberts, Henry Head M 38 Farm Labourer
Roberts, Mary Wife F 32
Roberts, William Son M 6
Roberts, Elizabeth Daughter F 3
Roberts, Henry Son M 1 all born St Columb
Roberts, Ann Mother F 79 b Brickham, Devon
The family (minus Henry) in 1861:
Reference RG09, 1542, 63, 29
Quoit, St Columb Major
Roberts, Henry Head M 48 Ag Lab
Roberts, Mary Wife F 42
Roberts, Elizabeth Daughter F 13
Roberts, Edward Son M 10
Roberts, Mary Daughter F 7
Roberts, John Son M 5
Roberts, Frank Son M 2
Roberts, Charles Son M 1 All born St Columb
And Henry:
RG09, 1543, 50, 4
West Lamb, Mawgan, St Columb
Williams, Richard Head M 49 Ag Lab b St Columb
Williams, Ann Wife F 58 b St Stephens Beanwell
Williams, Mary J Daughter F 15 Scholar b St Columb
Roberts, Henry Nephew Lodger M 11 Farm Work Boy b St columb
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Is there more on Henry Roberts & Mary Hore? As i see in that 1871 census pg 17 Henry age 20 blacksmith with brothers Richard and John. Mother Mary born in Roche? I have Henry snr as a farm labourer.
Really not sure which way to go as i have seen bits on Kissell as well.
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Is there more on Henry Roberts & Mary Hore? As i see in that 1871 census pg 17 Henry age 20 blacksmith with brothers Richard and John. Mother Mary born in Roche? I have Henry snr as a farm labourer.That's the census I gave you in reply #1! ;D
Really not sure which way to go as i have seen bits on Kissell as well.
When you say you have seen "bits", do you mean trees on Ancestry?
Where did you get the name Hall/Hore from?
Like I said, I can't see a marriage between a Roberts and a Hall or Hore?
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Mary Hore/Henry Robarts marriage St Columb 1842.
Roche parish church 12 March 1842. Her parents William and Ann per notes on BMD.
Henry Rowe Roberts.
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Possible family of Hores in 1841
William 60
Ann 60
Mary 25
Lucy 15
Elizabeth 5
Grace 20
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Mary Hore/Henry Robarts marriage St Columb 1842.
Roche parish church 12 March 1842. Her parents William and Ann per notes on BMD.
Henry Rowe Roberts.
I tried "similar surnames" but that didn't come up?! ::)
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I found it elsewhere looking under Mary Hore, clocked the spelling of Roberts and hopped over to BMD from there!
You wouldn't expect Roberts to be spelt any different would you.
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I was thinking perhaps Henry Robert? (no 's')
Never would have thought of Robarts!!
At least the rest of my research is OK?! ;D
I hope!
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THIS IS WHERE I AM REALLY STUCK :-\ When there are 2 Marys and Roberts around same area, age, marriage year etc.... The only way to solve it is.....does anyone have the death cert or info on death of Mary Roberts died 24th nov 1888 age 71 in St Dennis? They can't both of died same day!!!
It will be the one i want if i can sort that part.
Thanks guys for the imput so far 8)
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This is likely to be the death registration for the lady who died 24 Nov 1883 St Dennis Cornwall.
Dec 1883
Mary Roberts
Age 71
St. Austell
5c 72
so you could order the certificate for her to see if that confirms anything for you.
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From 1871 census:
Reference RG10, Piece 2267, Folio 44, Page 17
St Lawrence, St Dennis, Cornwall
Roberts, Henry Head M 55 b Clay Labourer b St Dennis
Roberts, Mary Wife F 57 b Roche
Roberts, Richard Son M 22 Clay Labourer b St Columb
Roberts, Henry Son M 20 Blacksmith b St Columb
Roberts, John Son M 17 Clay Labourer b St Columb
That would China Clay works!
Cornwall-OPC-database (.org) shows these baptisms:
All at St Columb Major; All to parents Henry & Mary Roberts
26th January 1845 William residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer born 29th December 1844
15th August 1847 Elizabeth Ann residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer born July 1847
25th December 1849 Henry residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer born 1st December 1849
1st June 1851 Edward residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Streamer born 9th April 1851
15th September 1853 Mary residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Streamer born 27th August 1853
29th September 1864 Elizabeth residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Tin Streamer born 21st August 1864
Probable marriage?
21st May 1842 at St Columb Major
Henry Roberts, age 29, residing Quoit, Bachelor, Streamer
Mary Kessell, age 22, residing Nine Maidens, Spinster
N.B. I can't find any marriage of Roberts to Hall?
See reply #5!
His father: William, miner
Her father: William, labourer
Witnesses: Edward Kessell, Ann Kessell
Burials:
26th November 1883, St Dennis, Mary Roberts age 71
28th October 1886, St Dennis, Henry Roberts age 66 :-\
This is more likely:
7th November 1888, Calstock, Henry Roberts age 72 Union WorkhouseTHE DATE OF HENRY ROBERTS DEATH IS DEFINATELY 28 OCT 1886 AGE 66 AS HE IS BURIED IN SAME GRAVE AS WIFE MARY. ST DENNIS MONUMENT NUMBER 281.
I THINK YOU MAY HAVE THE 2 FAMILYS MIXED TOGETHER IN THIS THREAD.