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Title: Henry ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: MCKIN on Wednesday 03 October 12 02:37 BST (UK)
Can anyone help? I am looking for siblings and ancestors of Henry Roberts b. 1851 Cornwall. d, 9.7.1926 N.Z.
When he emmigrated to N.Z. in 1872 it states he was a blacksmith, when he died he was a hairdresser.
On his death cert it says parents are Henry Roberts and Mary Hall, that his father was a farm labourer.
His mother Mary died in St Dennis on 24.11.1883 age 71. His father Henry died abt 1886 in St Dennis.
I cannot find a Hall but a Mary Hore is matching in with dates.

Title: Re: HENRY ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 03 October 12 06:19 BST (UK)
From 1871 census:
Reference RG10, Piece 2267, Folio 44, Page 17
St Lawrence, St Dennis, Cornwall

Roberts, Henry  Head  M  55  b Clay Labourer  b St Dennis
Roberts, Mary  Wife  F  57  b Roche
Roberts, Richard  Son  M  22  Clay Labourer  b St Columb
Roberts, Henry  Son  M  20  Blacksmith  b St Columb
Roberts, John  Son  M  17  Clay Labourer  b St Columb

That would China Clay works!


Cornwall-OPC-database (.org) shows these baptisms:

All at St Columb Major; All to parents Henry & Mary Roberts

26th January 1845    William  residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer    born 29th December 1844
15th August 1847    Elizabeth Ann  residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer    born July 1847
25th December 1849  Henry  residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer   born 1st December 1849
1st June 1851  Edward  residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Streamer   born 9th April 1851
15th September 1853  Mary  residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Streamer  born 27th August 1853
29th September 1864  Elizabeth  residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Tin Streamer  born 21st August 1864


Probable marriage?
21st May 1842  at St Columb Major
Henry Roberts, age 29, residing Quoit, Bachelor, Streamer
Mary Kessell, age 22, residing Nine Maidens, Spinster

N.B. I can't find any marriage of Roberts to Hall?

See reply #5!

His father: William, miner
Her father: William, labourer

Witnesses: Edward Kessell, Ann Kessell


Burials:
26th November 1883, St Dennis, Mary Roberts    age 71
28th October 1886, St Dennis, Henry Roberts    age 66 :-\
This is more likely:
7th November 1888, Calstock, Henry Roberts    age 72   Union Workhouse


Title: Re: HENRY ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 03 October 12 07:06 BST (UK)
1851 census:
Reference HO107, 1905, 296, 10
Quoit, St Columb Major

Roberts, Henry  Head  M  38  Farm Labourer
Roberts, Mary  Wife  F  32
Roberts, William  Son  M  6
Roberts, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  3
Roberts, Henry  Son  M  1                  all born St Columb
Roberts, Ann  Mother  F  79  b Brickham, Devon


The family (minus Henry) in 1861:
Reference RG09, 1542, 63, 29
Quoit, St Columb Major

Roberts, Henry  Head  M  48  Ag Lab 
Roberts, Mary  Wife  F  42
Roberts, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  13
Roberts, Edward  Son  M  10
Roberts, Mary  Daughter  F  7
Roberts, John  Son  M  5
Roberts, Frank  Son  M  2
Roberts, Charles  Son  M  1             All born St Columb


And Henry:
RG09, 1543, 50, 4
West Lamb, Mawgan, St Columb

Williams, Richard  Head  M  49  Ag Lab  b St Columb
Williams, Ann  Wife  F  58  b St Stephens Beanwell
Williams, Mary J  Daughter  F  15  Scholar  b St Columb
Roberts, Henry  Nephew  Lodger  M  11  Farm Work Boy  b St columb
Title: Re: HENRY ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: MCKIN on Wednesday 03 October 12 08:47 BST (UK)
Is there more on Henry Roberts & Mary Hore? As i see in that 1871 census pg 17 Henry age 20 blacksmith with brothers Richard and John. Mother Mary born in Roche? I have Henry snr as a farm labourer.
Really not sure which way to go as i have seen bits on Kissell as well.

Title: Re: HENRY ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 03 October 12 09:19 BST (UK)
Is there more on Henry Roberts & Mary Hore? As i see in that 1871 census pg 17 Henry age 20 blacksmith with brothers Richard and John. Mother Mary born in Roche? I have Henry snr as a farm labourer.That's the census I gave you in reply #1! ;D
Really not sure which way to go as i have seen bits on Kissell as well.

When you say you have seen "bits", do you mean trees on Ancestry?

Where did you get the name Hall/Hore from?

Like I said, I can't see a marriage between a Roberts and a Hall or Hore?
Title: Re: HENRY ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 03 October 12 13:20 BST (UK)
Mary Hore/Henry Robarts marriage St Columb 1842. 

Roche parish church 12 March 1842.  Her parents William and Ann per notes on BMD.

Henry Rowe Roberts.

Title: Re: HENRY ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 03 October 12 13:33 BST (UK)
Possible family of Hores in 1841

William 60
Ann 60
Mary 25
Lucy 15
Elizabeth 5
Grace 20
Title: Re: HENRY ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 03 October 12 13:56 BST (UK)
Mary Hore/Henry Robarts marriage St Columb 1842. 

Roche parish church 12 March 1842.  Her parents William and Ann per notes on BMD.

Henry Rowe Roberts.

I tried "similar surnames" but that didn't come up?! ::)
Title: Re: HENRY ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 03 October 12 14:38 BST (UK)
I found it elsewhere looking under Mary Hore, clocked the spelling of Roberts and hopped over to BMD from there!

You wouldn't expect Roberts to be spelt any different would you.
Title: Re: HENRY ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 03 October 12 14:41 BST (UK)
I was thinking perhaps Henry Robert? (no 's')

Never would have thought of Robarts!!

At least the rest of my research is OK?! ;D
I hope!
Title: Re: Henry ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: MCKIN on Thursday 04 October 12 00:06 BST (UK)
THIS IS WHERE I AM REALLY STUCK :-\ When there are 2 Marys and Roberts around same area, age, marriage year etc.... The only way to solve it is.....does anyone have the death cert or info on death of Mary Roberts died 24th nov 1888 age 71 in St Dennis? They can't both of died same day!!!
It will be the one i want if i can sort that part.
Thanks guys for the imput so far  8)
Title: Re: Henry ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 04 October 12 11:13 BST (UK)
This is likely to be the death registration for the lady who died 24 Nov 1883 St Dennis Cornwall.

Dec 1883
Mary Roberts
Age 71
St. Austell
5c 72

so you could order the certificate for her to see if that confirms anything for you.
Title: Re: HENRY ROBERTS & MARY ?
Post by: MCKIN on Sunday 07 October 12 01:39 BST (UK)
From 1871 census:
Reference RG10, Piece 2267, Folio 44, Page 17
St Lawrence, St Dennis, Cornwall

Roberts, Henry  Head  M  55  b Clay Labourer  b St Dennis
Roberts, Mary  Wife  F  57  b Roche
Roberts, Richard  Son  M  22  Clay Labourer  b St Columb
Roberts, Henry  Son  M  20  Blacksmith  b St Columb
Roberts, John  Son  M  17  Clay Labourer  b St Columb

That would China Clay works!


Cornwall-OPC-database (.org) shows these baptisms:

All at St Columb Major; All to parents Henry & Mary Roberts

26th January 1845    William  residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer    born 29th December 1844
15th August 1847    Elizabeth Ann  residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer    born July 1847
25th December 1849  Henry  residing at Quoit Lane, father's occupation: Streamer   born 1st December 1849
1st June 1851  Edward  residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Streamer   born 9th April 1851
15th September 1853  Mary  residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Streamer  born 27th August 1853
29th September 1864  Elizabeth  residing at Quoit, father's occupation: Tin Streamer  born 21st August 1864


Probable marriage?
21st May 1842  at St Columb Major
Henry Roberts, age 29, residing Quoit, Bachelor, Streamer
Mary Kessell, age 22, residing Nine Maidens, Spinster

N.B. I can't find any marriage of Roberts to Hall?

See reply #5!

His father: William, miner
Her father: William, labourer

Witnesses: Edward Kessell, Ann Kessell


Burials:
26th November 1883, St Dennis, Mary Roberts    age 71
28th October 1886, St Dennis, Henry Roberts    age 66 :-\
This is more likely:
7th November 1888, Calstock, Henry Roberts    age 72   Union WorkhouseTHE DATE OF HENRY ROBERTS DEATH IS DEFINATELY 28 OCT 1886 AGE 66 AS HE IS BURIED IN SAME GRAVE AS WIFE MARY. ST DENNIS MONUMENT NUMBER 281.
I THINK YOU MAY HAVE THE 2 FAMILYS MIXED TOGETHER IN THIS THREAD.