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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: skjoop on Tuesday 02 October 12 23:57 BST (UK)
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Hello, I'm a relative newcomer. :-[
My Paternal Grandfather, George Edwards, was born Nr Oswestry, Shropshire May 1891.
He travelled to Australia with his brother in law Tom (Edwards), in 1914, returning home in 1920 and married Mabel Jones in early 1920's and started a family.
During his time in NSW he worked at various 'stations', mainly in the New South Wales area, one of which was Willeroo, nr Goulburn (then with the Osborne family).
Luckily I have a pocket note book in which he kept a record of places he worked and visited.
Unfortunately I never knew Grandad as he died when I was only 2, but a few years ago, I transcribed his 'diary' which I now treasure.
When he landed in Sydney in May 1914, on SS Ballarat he was met by his 'cousin Tom'.
Unfortunately I don't have a surname for Tom, as I would dearly like to make contact with decendants, I know that George was related to Kynaston family from Oswestry, but don't know if Tom was this family.
I haven't been able to find another part of the family which emigrated to Aus in the years leading up to 1914.
I am posting this on the very slim chance that someone in Sydney or NSW are might be doing FH research and recognise a link with the above.
Any leads, however tenuous will be welcomed.
I hope to visit in a couple of years (centenary) and visit some of the places Grandad mentions
Many thanks
Phil :)
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Not immediately helpful I'm afraid, but here we have some background on Willeroo and original owners (before the Osbornes) who were the Coopers. Article published in 1914 on death of Robert Cowley Cooper.
The Coopers were pioneers of district (not recent immigrants) and no mention of a Tom :(
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31401025
regards,
Ros
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Hi!
There is a death for a Tom Kynaston in 1946 at Wagga Wagga
parents shown as John Edward and Annie.
Might be your Tom, can you check family history for parents details
Mariona
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Many thanks for your replies both
Hi!
There is a death for a Tom Kynaston in 1946 at Wagga Wagga
parents shown as John Edward and Annie.
Might be your Tom, can you check family history for parents details
Mariona
Not immediately helpful I'm afraid, but here we have some background on Willeroo and original owners (before the Osbornes) who were the Coopers. Article published in 1914 on death of Robert Cowley Cooper.
The Coopers were pioneers of district (not recent immigrants) and no mention of a Tom :(
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31401025
regards,
Ros
Ros
I have researched a little of the history of Willeroo, but hadn't seen this article. At the time Grandad was there, Pat Hamilton Osborne had Willeroo, and during this period went off to War. I have been in touch with the present owners, but unfortunately records from that time have gone.
Mariona
Many thanks for taking the time on this - I'm not even sure at this stage who his cousin was!, I need to do a bit more research at my end to fathom out who Tom could have been.
Later in his diary, Grandad noted that his Aunty had died suddenly, leaving his Uncle and Cousins, unfortunately no names once again. At this time they lived in Glebe, Sydney.
Later on, he visited his Uncle, who had moved and was building a house in Kingswood (nr Sydney?).
Grandad worked for a short time as a shunter at Penrith Railway station.
Obviously 'Cousin Tom' and Aunty/Uncle had gone out to Australia sometime before 1914, so I could trawl through passenger lists for a family with a Tom likely to have come from the Oswestry area I would think.
Thanks for finding the record re Tom Kynaston. I see that Wagga Wagga is in NSW, so I'll look up his ancestors in UK to see if that's a possibility.
I assume you have access to Australian records - is there any way I can do the same?
I remember reading somewhere that a lot of Australian census?? records were destroyed by the Government - is this the case?
Obviously I have a lot more work to do.
Many thanks so far
Phil
Photo of George Edwards, possibly at Willeroo:
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There are three KYNASTON burials at Wagga Wagga Monumental Cemetery in the same grave.
Thomas Joseph KYNASTON d. 12/05/1946
Parents: John Edward & Annie
Madeline Florence KYNASTON d. 31/05/1948
Parents: Patrick Joseph & Elizabeth
Ada KYNASTON d. 02/11/1949 age 88yrs
Thomas & Madeline were husband & wife.
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Marriage:
Thomas Joseph KYNASTON m. Madeline Florence RYAN 1917 WAGGA WAGGA #8040
This is the only Thomas KYNASTON I can see in NSW who was living in NSW.
Death & Burial in above post.
There was another Thomas KYNASTON who died as a baby - b. & d. in 1868 in DENILIQUIN.
You can search the NSW BMD yourself. There are a small number of KYNASTON's listed.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search
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George married a Mabel E Jones in the Atcham District of Shropshire in 1921.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Thanks 'Merlin' for your help.
I think I'll have to do a bit more work at 'my end' to establish just who Tom, his Cousin was. I don't want folks spending time looking up Kynastons just in case he wasn't one!!
It's great to get so much feedback though.
If anyone wants any help in the Shropshire / Montgomeryshire area, let me know - not that I am any expert by any means!
Thanks William, I was luck enough to have known my Grandmother Mabel Elizabeth - she lived to 91, (d 1986) a wonderful lady. I just wish I had spent more time with her talking about Grandad - everybody must say the same thing, lucky to have his 'diary' and just a few photos tho.
Regards
Phil
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I now have a little bit more information.
It is possible that 'Cousin Tom' was Thomas Pierce, son of William and Alice Pierce, who emigrated from the Oswestry area of Shropshire in the early 1900's
I am hoping to meet a decendant of the Pierce family next week who may have more information
Many thanks
Phil
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Hi there,
Re Thomas Joseph KYNASTON
From NSW Electoral Roll 1913, WAGGA WAGGA electorate, polling at Wagga Wagga.
Thomas Joseph KYNASTON, Hillside, a carter.
I also noticed there were people with that surname at COBAR NSW on the 1913 ER.
NSW ER 1913, COBAR electorate, polling at Cobar
Edith Margaret Jane KYNASTON, of Leah St, dd
Francis George M KYNASTON, of Leah St, a produce merchant.
Could you please check the spelling for your PIERCE family, perhaps the surname was recorded as PEARCE in NSW ….
NSW ER 1913 HAWKESBURY, polling at Penrith.
Henry Benjamin PEARCE, of Warwick St, engine turner
Lily Jubilee PEARCE, of Warwick St, dd
Venus Wilhelmina PEARCE, of Hemming St, dd
William Henry PEARCE, of Hemming St, railway inspector.
Railway Inspector …. Possibly his nephew had a stint at SHUNTING. Hemming St is about halfway between Penrith Railway Station and Kingswood Railway Station, according to Mr Googlemaps.
Cheers, JM
ADDING Oops, the following forgot to include itself …
NSW ER 1913, HAWKESBURY, polling at Penrith
Alice Rosina EDWARDS, Station St, dd
Charles Robert EDWARDS, Station St, railway storeman
Frances EDWARDS, (female), Castlereagh St, dd
George EDWARDS, Henry St, labourer
Malvina Hannah EDWARDS, Henry St, dd
Marianne, EDWARDS, High St, dd
Marion EDWARDS, High St, dd
William EDWARDS, Henry St, grocer
William Isaac EDWARDS, Castlereagh St, labourer.
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Do you have an approximate date for the death of "Aunty" living in Glebe?
Judith
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JM and Judith
Many thanks for your responses.
At this stage, I'm pretty sure the 'Cousin Tom' I'm after is A PIERCE or PEARCE, not Kynaston.
In some of the Shropshire Census', both spellings were used.
Kynastons connected with the family - Married my Grandfather's sister (EMILY REBECCA EDWARDS B Kinnerley, Nr Oswestry) did emigrate to Australia, but this didn't happen until later in the 1900's, I'll sort out dates and post them asap - that's another strand of enquiry!.
majm, It's likely that the head of household would have been WILLIAM PIERCE (PEARCE?), with a THOMAS as a son.
Until I see my family contact next week, I'm not sure, again, I'll post more when I know.
Judith, I'm afraid I can't say when she died, only that it would have been sometime between, say 1915 and 1920 when Grandad returned to UK - he didn't date his notes, until later when he was about to return.
I have had a quick look on the NSW records, and can't find an Alice that looks right - again, lets wait until next week, I should have more definite info then.
Once again, You've been most helpful
Many thanks
Phil
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Hello all, to bring you up to date
I'm pretty sure now that Tom was Thomas Pierce, son of William and Alice Pierce (sometimes spelled PIEARCE, confusingly)
Alice died in 1915 while my Grandfather was in Australia, which ties in with his diary.
William Piearce died in 1944.
I'm now contacting a descendant of William and Alice (in Aus) who have done extensive research and may be able to fill in more gaps.
Thanks for all your help
Phil :)
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TROVE has death and funeral notices for William PIEARCE of Toongabbie, d 1944, 82, father to Alice, Tom and Rose. He is buried in the Church of England Cemetery at Rookwood.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17908035
Edit to add - Thomas Richard PIEARCE, parents William and Alice, died 1979. NSW BMD #11628
Judith
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Thanks Judith, that's the right William and Thomas Pierce.
I'll look at the reports.
Hopefully I'm also in touch with one of William's descendants who lives in Sydney, so I'll wait to hear
many thanks for your help
Phil ;)
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The spelling of William and Venus’s surname is PEARCE...
they are my great grandparents (he was grandfather to my Dad, John Henry Oswald Pearce, an amazing man who unfortunately died in 2018 (late of Dee Why NSW. Dad was a lifesaver with North Bondi Surf Club in the early 1950s).
William Henry was Deputy Commissioner of the NSW Railways.
Dad’s dad, William Tobin, was oldest brother to Oswald.
Venus is a descendant of Matthew Everingham, a convict on the First Fleet.
Oswald Pearce, William and Venus’ youngest son, was Dad’s uncle:
https://www.myheritage.com/names/oswald_pearce
and features on http://australiansatwarfilmarchive.unsw.edu.au/archive/876-oswald-pearce an outstanding series of biographical interviews!
Dad was an only child and mum only had one sister so we don’t know a lot of direct relatives of the Pearce family but my parents did attend one reunion 10 years ago.