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Title: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: Gary Allison on Monday 01 October 12 06:06 BST (UK)
Hi.  My name is Gary in Australia & I am tracing my wife's forebears including Mary Ann Garness chr. 29/7/1825 Mamble, mother Ann Garness. I have not been able to identify Anne's parents & any help would be fantastic. I know Ann never married as she appears as a witness to her daughter's wedding to Alonzo Goodhead in 1865 in Birmingham as an unmarried person. She may be on the 1851 Census but I have no idea where she was living. I cannot find a death for Mary Ann Goodhead nee Garness but it could be between 1865 & 1871.

Regards,

Gary.

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Title: Re: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: jim1212 on Tuesday 02 October 12 08:30 BST (UK)
This Mary married to Alonzo was born about 1843, unless the age is wrong on the census.

1871. Nottingham.
William Shrewsbury    47.
Margaret Shrewsbury    45.
William Shrewsbury    16.
Arthur Shrewsbury    14.
Rebecca Marriott    15.
Elizabeth Taylor    22.
John J Heard    12.
John Dale    36.
Alonzo Goodhead    50. Mar. Visitor. Paper hanging dealer. Nottingham, Nottinghamshire.
Mary A Goodhead    28. Mar. Visitor. born Dudley, Staffs.
   
Title: Re: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 02 October 12 08:47 BST (UK)
There's also this from 1851:

Reference HO107, Piece 1982, Folio 276, Page 29
Old Gate Terrace, Ludlow, Shropshire

Goodhead, Alonzo  Head  M  30  Cordwainer  b Nottingham
Goodhead, Mary  Wife  F  25  b Mamble, Worcestershire
Goodhead, Maria  Daughter  F  5  b Ludlow
Goodhead, Edward  Son  M  3  b Ludlow
Goodhead, Mary  Daughter  F  9 months  b Ludlow
Title: Re: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 02 October 12 08:59 BST (UK)
I can't see a second marriage for Alonza, so I am thinking that Mary aged 28 in 1871 is an enumerator error?
And she was really the same Mary as in 1851, and therefore aged about 45? Or should it be 48?

There is also a death that might fit:
December qtr 1871
Burton district    vol 6b, page 295

Goodhead, Mary    age 49
Title: Re: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: jim1212 on Tuesday 02 October 12 09:07 BST (UK)
1861. Wednesbury, Staffordshire.
George Goodhead    40. Labourer. Nottinghamshire.
Mary Ann Goodhead    36. Wife. Tenbury, Worcestershire.
Ann Marie Goodhead    15. Dau. Ludlow, Shropshire.
Edward Goodhead    13. Son. Ludlow, Shropshire.
Mary Goodhead    11. Dau.  Ludlow, Shropshire.
George Goodhead    8. Son. Ludlow, Shropshire.
Ann Goodhead    6. Dau. Kings Hill, Staffordshire.
Thomas Goodhead    3. Son. Kings Hill, Staffordshire.
Sarah Goodhead    1. Dau. Kings Hill, Staffordshire.
   
Title: Re: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: jim1212 on Tuesday 02 October 12 09:09 BST (UK)
Quote from: KGarrad on Tuesday 02 October 12 08:59 BST (UK)
I can't see a second marriage for Alonza, so I am thinking that Mary aged 28 in 1871 is an enumerator error?
And she was really the same Mary as in 1851, and therefore aged about 45? Or should it be 48?

There is also a death that might fit:
December qtr 1871
Burton district    vol 6b, page 295

Goodhead, Mary    age 49

Unless the one on 1871 census is the dau Mary on the 1851-1861 census's.

Not to far from Wednesbury.
Deaths Dec 1866.
Goodhead    Mary.    41.    W. Bromwich.    6b.   456.


 
Title: Re: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 02 October 12 09:14 BST (UK)
Quote from: Gary Allison on Monday 01 October 12 06:06 BST (UK)
mother Ann Garness. I have not been able to identify Anne's parents & any help would be fantastic. I know Ann never married as she appears as a witness to her daughter's wedding to Alonzo Goodhead in 1865 in Birmingham as an unmarried person.

How do you know that the Ann Garness appearing as a witness, was in fact Mary Ann's mother?

She could have been an aunt or sister-in-law?

I can't find Ann Garness on any census - assuming she would have been born c1800 +/- 5 years?
Title: Re: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 02 October 12 09:17 BST (UK)
Quote from: jim1212 on Tuesday 02 October 12 09:09 BST (UK)
Unless the one on 1871 census is the dau Mary on the 1851-1861 census's.

But Mary Goodhead, on the 1871 census, is married?
So her maiden name is unlikely to be Goodhead?! ;D
Title: Re: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: jim1212 on Tuesday 02 October 12 09:22 BST (UK)
1871. Wednesbury, Staffordshire.
Joseph Small    24. Paper Hanger. Darlaston, Staffordshire.
Mary Small    20. Wife. Ledlow, Shropshire.
Albert A Small    1. Son. Wednesbury, Staffordshire.
Ann M Goodhead    25. Sister in law. Ledlow, Shropshire.
Thomas Goodhead    13. Brother in law. Wednesbury, Staffordshire.
Ann Goodhead    15. Sister in law. Wednesbury, Staffordshire.
Joseph Goodhead    7.  Brother in law. Wednesbury, Staffordshire.
   
Title: Re: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: jim1212 on Tuesday 02 October 12 09:23 BST (UK)
Quote from: KGarrad on Tuesday 02 October 12 09:17 BST (UK)
Quote from: jim1212 on Tuesday 02 October 12 09:09 BST (UK)
Unless the one on 1871 census is the dau Mary on the 1851-1861 census's.

But Mary Goodhead, on the 1871 census, is married?
So her maiden name is unlikely to be Goodhead?! ;D

Unless that is wrong and she is single.
Title: Re: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: jim1212 on Tuesday 02 October 12 09:29 BST (UK)
On second thoughts,

Marriages Mar 1869.
GOODHEAD    Mary.        W. Bromwich.    6b.   780.
Hardstone    Elizabeth.         West Bromwich.    6b.   780.
Hopkins    William.         W Bromwich.    6b.   780.
Small    Joseph.         W. Bromwich.    6b.   780.
Title: Re: GARNESS b. Mamble
Post by: linell on Thursday 04 October 12 19:06 BST (UK)
I have a Garness connection from Tenbury, wonder if it is the same family, anymore info on your Ann Garness?  Linell.